Talk:Results of the 2011 Ontario general election by riding

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This page is for officially nominated candidates only. Please don't add in candidates or sitting MPP's until they have been nominated. Mr. No Funny Nickname (talk) 17:18, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion
I am working to complete this page and to update as time goes on. A similar page was created & maintained in connection to the Ontario general election, 2007, please see Ontario general election, 2007 (candidates), and pages currently exist in conjunction with the 41st Canadian federal election, which doesn't event have a date yet.Mr. No Funny Nickname (talk) 17:39, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

EFTO List of Candidates
The list of candidates posted by the EFTO:, is not an official list. Several incumbents are listed who have not officially been nominated yet. To ensure that candidates aren't being removed when they shouldn't be, please include a verifiable source whenever possible. Thank you. Mr. No Funny Nickname (talk) 23:00, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Updating Entry
Will this be updated fairly quickly as more candidates are nominated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.92.66.84 (talk) 23:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm updating the list as I confirm nominated candidates, if a candidate has been nominated & are not on the list feel free to add them, with a secondary source preferably to confirm.Mr. No Funny Nickname (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

As far as I have heard, Howard Hampton is running in Kenora-Rainy River Again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooled Down (talk • contribs) 04:38, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Candidates don't go on this list until they've been officially nominated.Mr. No Funny Nickname (talk) 11:34, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Other Parties
A number of candidates in the "Other" column are listed as "(Socialist)". Elections Ontario does not list any registered parties of that description, so they will appear as "Independent" on the ballot. Should they not appear that way here as well, regardless of any informal affiliation? Tunborough (talk) 13:09, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Parties don't "register" between elections: they can only be "eligible for" registration. Because the Socialist Party hasn't run candidates before it could not be registered at the time the election was called, but it will be by the time it is held because it has more than two candidates, so they will not need to be "Independents."
 * Obviously we're in a time of flux in Ontario these past few days; a number of candidacies in multiple parties have vanished as quickly as they materialized. More will be concrete when the nominations close on Thursday. Carolynparrishfan (talk) 23:00, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * As of today, Elections Ontario list includes Socialist Party of Ontario, and three other new ones. Issue closed. Tunborough (talk) 17:36, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Please do not revert until we hash this out here
Background: I have tried to write an article about  Randall Denley who is the Ottawa West—Nepean progressive conservative candidate. Mr. Denley has been a columnist at the Ottawa Citizen for almost twenty year, is well known in Ottawa and is currently running against a star Liberal incumbent. Since the article was created on Wikipedia on September 17 it garnered almost triple the  number of views(2094/803) on Wikipedia: http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Randall_Denley than his opponent garnered during all of last month: http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Bob_Chiarelli

Unfortunately, someone took it upon themselves to nominate the article I started for Articles For Deletion. The admin who closed the AFD decided that instead of deleting the article it should be merged with Ontario general election, 2011 (candidates) - so to make a long story short - this is the reason that I inserted the Randall Denely text in the article. I don't like this solution any more than others involved with this article, but this was the official decision at Articles_for_deletion/Randall_Denley Ottawahitech (talk) 13:32, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The information you posted does not belong on this page and should (& probably will) be deleted. However, the information does have a place. As you noticed many candidates have wikilinks but don't have their own pages, they link to a page listing a party's candidates for the election, (example Ontario Liberal Party candidates, 2011 Ontario provincial election). The proper place for that information would be Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario candidates, 2011 Ontario provincial election. If the article doesn't exist, I would suggest creating the article and listing biographical information there, you can use Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario candidates, 2007 Ontario provincial election as a template.Mr. No Funny Nickname (talk) 13:42, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I hear what you are saying, however it appears that the wiki-admin who made the merge decision at the AFD discussion does not share your views. Anyone googling "Randall Denley wikipedia" will be redirected to this article. Ottawahitech (talk) 14:10, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What that means is if anyone searches Randall Denley they would be directed to the candidates page, where his name is listed as a candidate in Ottawa West-Nepean. That is the only information that belongs on this page. If you would like to have additional biographical information listed, I would suggest adding it to a candidate page for the PC party. And then have Randall Denley link to that page.Mr. No Funny Nickname (talk) 14:57, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There appears to be a misunderstanding here. Community consensus resulted in a decision to redirect the article, rather than merge. Continued addition of the Randall Denley content outside of a listing in the table is not in accordance with consensus. Additionally, we do not add wikilinks that loop the reader to the originating article. See WP:2REDIR. Please refrain from making additions to the Ontario general election, 2011 (candidates) article that are not accordance with the AFD outcome, community consensus, and WP guidelines. Continued edits in this manner are considered disruptive. Best regards, Cind.   amuse  (Cindy) 23:04, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

' "candidate" categories, regardless of election, are not added to people who are already incumbent MPPs.'
The above is a comment I saw  when I tried to check why  the  number of  candidates in Category:2011_Progressive_Conservative_candidates,_Ontario_general_election suddenly  went from 24 to 23 and then to only 3. Can someone please explain what is going on? Ottawahitech (talk) 13:56, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Incumbent MPs, MPPs or MLAs who are running for re-election have never been added to election-specific "candidate" categories; consider, for example, how many of them someone like Herb Gray or Elizabeth Witmer or Bill Blaikie, who've been getting elected and re-elected and re-elected again since God was in short pants, would have to be added to. Rather, since people who've actually been elected to the legislature are already categorized in the relevant MP, MPP or MLA categories, "candidate" categories are reserved only for star candidates who have not been successfully elected to the legislature in the first place, let alone ever being re-elected — and that also means that if Fedeli, Rossi or Spacek, the three candidates who were left in the category once it was corrected to be what candidate categories are supposed to be, win their seats next week, then they come out of the category too. Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario candidates, 2011 Ontario provincial election, and this page itself, already serve as sufficient navigational hubs to link the relevant candidates' articles, so a category simply isn't necessary. Bearcat (talk) 19:58, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I suppose it all depends on whether Wikipedia viewing is for everyone, wikipedian or not, or only for the select few who understand the ins-and-outs of how things are done at Wikipedia. The category you are referring to ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2011_Progressive_Conservative_candidates,_Ontario_general_election ) was added to Wikipedia on Sept 14, 2011. No  one objected at  the time, and it appears that it is getting more and more views on Wikipedia See: http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Category:2011_Progressive_Conservative_candidates,_Ontario_general_election.


 * In contrast the list you are proposing to replace the category with is brand new - it was only created yesterday, and I cannot figure how any casual surfer of Wikipedia can find it (where is it linked from?).  Don't  you think it is  a little late in the game to introduce changes to the basic structure of articles in this election? Ottawahitech (talk) 22:35, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * For starters, the length of time that any given content was in place before someone "objected" to it is irrelevant; a person can only "object" to content that they know about, so the question of whether any given article or category is appropriate or not is strictly a question of whether it meets our inclusion rules and practices or not, and has nothing to do with how long it did or didn't exist before someone raised the question.
 * At any rate: aside from the fact that the lists are a longstanding practice Wikipedia practice that's already been used in countless Canadian federal and provincial elections before this one, the list is actually more helpful to the end user than a category — by definition, a category can only include those candidates who were already notable enough to have their own independent articles, and includes no annotation of any kind, whereas the list, properly formatted, names all 107 candidates and the ridings where they're running, and can provide some actual information about the person as well. In other words, the list can be a complete record of the party's entire candidate slate; the category can never be anything more than a partial subset.


 * Yes, lists may be more helpful, however, I am not sure about your statement that lists are a longstanding practice at Wikipedia. If this is the case how is it that there was no list for both the Liberal and the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario until you created one on Sept 28? After all the election will be taking place next week. Ottawahitech (talk) 17:33, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * But more importantly, I think you might need to keep in mind something that's been pointed out to you before, but which you seem to be missing: Wikipedia's job is not to provide day-by-day media coverage of the election. We're an encyclopedia, not a newspaper or the CBC — our job here is to look past the daily thrust of the campaign itself, with an eye to what's still going to be relevant and important for people to know about it five or 10 or 20 years from now. It's not our job to maximize the information we provide about the day-to-day minutiae of the campaign for the sake of what individual Ontario residents might need or want to know today or tomorrow to help them decide how to vote — our job is to sift through all of that and figure out what's going to be relevant to an international audience in the long term. So no, it isn't "a little late in the game to introduce changes to the basic structure of articles in this election", because the immediate thrust and parry of this election isn't the game that we're playing in the first place. We're writing history here, not news. Bearcat (talk) 18:09, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Independent Candidates, add to list of parties
Possibly dumb question, but I will ask, anyway. Why are Independent Candidates only listed in the table as Independent, yet as a collective, there are a few that are running in this election, and the top list only shows 'Party/Parties' as a List heading. Can secondary (next level paragraph be added) to the preamble after party/parties and before the table? Richard416282 (talk) 12:54, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No question is a dumb question in my opinion :-) I have reverted the redundant changes made on Sept 23. Independents are  already described on the main page at Ontario general election, 2011 Is that what you had in mind? Ottawahitech (talk) 23:49, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Why are all Liberal candidates wikified regardless of notability?
See recent change here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ontario_general_election%2C_2011_%28candidates%29&action=historysubmit&diff=453079081&oldid=452807538 Ottawahitech (talk) 18:29, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Wasn't just Liberal party candidates.Mr. No Funny Nickname (talk) 18:45, 29 September 2011 (UTC)