Talk:Revenge of the Cybermen

Christopher Robbie
didn't Christopher Robbie who played the Cyberleader have a South African accent? PMA 08:00, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

His voice sounded pretty much straight-down-the-line RP to me (I know him as an announcer on Southern Television). Of course there were plenty of South African/British people with RP accents, but I can find no evidence of him having any links with SA.

Oh, and that was Robin Carmody who wrote the above! — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobinCarmody (talk • contribs) 06:35, 6 January 2006

Kvetching
I wish there were some indicator in here of how poorly written this episode was, between "Before I kill you, Mr. Bond"-style exposition, Cybermen who tie the Doctor and Sarah up instead of killing them -- why? because the plot demands it! -- and the Vogans' complete lack of ability to notice that gold could hurt the Cybermen (given they had a planet full of it, and they'd met Cybermen before, I mean, really.) I know the series is known for patchy logic, but this is just REALLY BAD. Maybe something in the "notes" section as regards the inconsistency? A. J. Luxton 10:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Sadly (because I don't disagree), that would almost certainly violate WP:NPOV. We report the facts; let others determine how bad it is for themselves. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 10:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Really bad? Better than many stories - certainly not the best, but that's not important. In the meantime your best plan is to get off this beacon.--82.0.207.86 (talk) 09:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps some of the really bad aspects of the plot (and there are some whoppers) belong in Continuity. For example, a major plot strand involves the Doctor and two crew members being kept alive and transmatted down to the planetoid with cyberbombs strapped to them – the rationale being that the Cybermen can't take the bombs themselves since the gold on the planet would be injurious to them. But then when the three are transmatted they are accompanied by Cybermen, the very same Cybermen to can't go. Like wise, the Cyberbombs are stated to be the most powerful explosive force in the solar system. Three are reckoned to be enough to destroy the planetoid. And yet when one of the booby-trapped bomb harnesses is detonated the blast radius is only a few meters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.103.146 (talk) 09:37, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Trivia query
I've read somewhere, that during the shooting of a British SF series, a diver in a cave gave directions to some cast/crew who were lost. Said cast/crew were astonished to learn that there were in fact no divers meant to be in the caves. An anecdote of some sort, any verification (of its status as an actual story, not if the diver was a ghost!) Alastairward 11:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Apparently such an event did happen whilst recording Revenge of the Cybermen at Wookey Hole caves in Somerset, although it was a potholer not a diver. It was the first of a number of "strange" events and accidents that occured during the location filming. The director blamed it on some ironage arrowheads his wife had found in the caves, which he believed to be cursed. I am sure one of the books about the production and history of Doctor Who will have more details about the incidents.SkorponokX 11:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Three Wise Monkeys pose from Episode 3?
I was watching this story again recently, and never noticed before the "Three Wise Monkeys" pose that goes on at the start of episode 3;

Basically, the Doctor and the two Beacon workers are sitting on the floor with their backs to a wall. As the camera tracks over to them, one has his hands on his ears, the Doctor has his hands over his eyes, and the third has his hands over his mouth.

Seems I'm not the only one to have noticed it either; http://www.androzani.com/revengecybermen.shtml mentions it too.

Anyone aware of any significance / "in joke" this is referring to?

Regards

Jams Watton (talk) 13:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

DVD Release
Shouldn't there be something in the article to say why this hasn't been released on DVD yet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.5.10.153 (talk) 07:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There's a reason why? Usually it's just that they haven't gotten to it. Davhorn (talk) 23:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

There IS actually a DVD available to download from the web. It has exactly the same menu/intro as the other "official" DVD releases. I wonder if it was copied from the Laserdisc release? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.197.36 (talk) 07:13, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Infobox cast listing
The Doctor Who specific infobox contains information on all cast. While its useful, a full cast listing expands the infobox quite a bit. I felt that a separate cast list would retain the structure of the infobox and allow for the full listing to be held in the article. WikiuserNI (talk) 14:21, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe the Doctor Who infobox is a derivative of the TV Episode infobox which has this to say about the guest parameter.

"Guest star(s) of this episode. Separate multiple people with line breaks, or bullets (*). If using bullets, include the character the guest actor portray in the episode after his/her name in the infobox (using a single space, "as" and another single space: " as "). Provide a link to the appropriate article if possible. Only guest actors in notable roles should be included in the list."
 * Perhaps we should take this discussion to the DW Wikiproject, and get consensus there. GraemeLeggett (talk) 14:27, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's what constitutes a guest (anyone not in the core of Doctor and companion, or those who are in a role where they have more screen time) and from that what's notable. Happy to discss though. WikiuserNI (talk) 14:42, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

You say the infobox is "unwieldy". Well, look at the infoboxes of some of the other episodes. The Daleks' Master Plan or The End of Time for instance. Those cast lists are much longer and no one's made any changes to them. I just don't see what's so special about the cast of Revenge of the Cybermen that it requires its own separate section. 68.222.41.4 (talk) 14:47, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point - The End of Time infobox could use fixing. And The Daleks' Master Plan one is full of redlinks - which implies either of lot of actors missing articles or some enthusiastic wikilinking. GraemeLeggett (talk) 15:42, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "I just don't see what's so special about the cast of Revenge of the Cybermen that it requires its own separate section", here's the thing, I can't edit everything, everywhere on Wikipedia, at the same time. I've been editing articles on episodes I've watched recently, that's the only significance to the choice of article here. WikiuserNI (talk) 16:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Forgive me, but that sounds rather selfish. Just because you've seen the episode recently doesn't mean you can edit the article any way you please. As far as I'm concerned, this article sticks out like a sore thumb because it's the only one where the guest stars are listed separately. 68.222.41.4 (talk) 16:53, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Forgive you for misconstruing what I said? Nope. Especially when you go on to say "As far as I'm concerned" (pot, kettle, black and all that). I edits this particular article recently, because I had seen the episode recently. It's not such a hard thing to understand, I saw the article, hopped online afterwards, thought I might have a shot at editing while I was at it. WikiuserNI (talk) 20:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Dubious Roger Moore annecdote
Obviously something a bit fishy, if this supposedly took place in 1973, two years after decimalisation. Nick Cooper (talk) 16:23, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily: there were still plenty pre-Decimal coins circulating - the sixpence was legal tender until 1980, and the two shilling piece until 1993. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:52, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Indeed shillings were used as five pences and sixpences were used as 2 and a half pences as I remember and check Decimal Day wikipedia page (the validity of old coins section) if you don't believe me.86.11.32.155 (talk) 01:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Plot bloat
I've reduced the ridiculously over-detailed plot, but I'm sure it could still be improved. It's been tagged with this problem for 10 years, so I think it was long overdue! Cnbrb (talk) 20:56, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Had another trim and it's looking a lot more respectable. As always, I shall infer adulatory gratitude from the lack of reaction. Cnbrb (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

League of Gentlemen / Mark Gatiss / Stump Hole Caverns sketch
This Who story would appear to be the inspiration for Mark Gatiss' "Stump Hole Caverns" sketch for the League of Gentlemen (performed both live and on the TV series 1 episode 5 "Love Comes to Royston Vasey"). Gatiss, who later wrote for Doctor Who himself, plays a cavern tour guide who speaks of numerous ill-fated events in the caverns, and that "In 1974 you couldn’t move down here for Cybermen. In fact, in an amusing incident, Tom Baker sprained his ankle on that rock there..." Can we get a good source for this, and include it in the "Curse" section, please?

Script of that LOG episode: http://www.leagueofgentlemen.co.uk/logepisodelists1ep5.shtml Video: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5jf51c from 13 mins 45 secs in

Andrew Oakley (talk) 16:24, 8 September 2021 (UTC)