Talk:Revolutions of 1848 in the Austrian Empire

Cleanup Request

 * Information about uprising in Bohemia is missing. Likewise uprisings in Italy.
 * Some sentences sound strange: "workers' couldn't afford potatoes."
 * The text is likely liften from an US textbook: it should be checked for bias and wordings
 * Article may be better structured. Timeline and some statistics may be added.

Pavel Vozenilek 19:33, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've redirected Vienna Uprising to here, per Votes for deletion/Vienna Uprising. A quick skim says there wasn't much to merge, but I'm not sure; someone working on this page might want to check this revision to look for bits to merge in here. CDC  (talk)  02:53, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

The bare bones of this article are excellent, but it could do with a very thorough editing. Unless anyone has any objections, I'll tidy and flesh out the article next time I get chance. Maidenoxforduni 09:37, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

This article is written..
..like a... I don't know what. Serbs gained their province; enlarged and much more ethnically diverse, contained more Germans and Romanians than Serbs. is a sentence lacking a verb. The article has too many extra "the"s, and the "Early rumblings" is written utterly POV. --PaxEquilibrium 21:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I see nothing wrong here. The province was "enlarged", i.e. larger than Serbs wanted, thus the province included east and central Banat inhabited mainly by Romanians and Germans. The question whether there were more Germans and Romanians than Serbs or not is simply a question of the point of view: If you count Orthodox Serbs only (without Bunjevci and Šokci, who were considered a Catholic Serbs in many sources), then number of Serbs was smaller than the number of Romanians in Germans, but if you count Serbs together with Bunjevci and Šokci, then they were relative majority in the province. PANONIAN   (talk)  16:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it is a mess. Very little is cited for, and some passages are very obscure. I came here intending to add some detail, but found such a broken framework I hardly dare.
 * What is a "Josephine school"?
 * What is meant by "forced robota labor"? Is this simply labor exacted as a feudal duty? There is no citation, but the only use of this phrase I can readily find is Hugh Agnew, The Czechs and the Lands of the Bohemian Crown, which is not cited. I suspect it may be his idiosyncratic term.
 * Yes, exactly that. “Robota” (from which later the word robot has been created) was a feudal tax extracted in the form of labor for the feudal. See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/robot for the origin of the word.

I know what someone is going to say: if you don't like it, fix it. The thing is (1) I'm not really very expert on the period and (2) just from what I know, I'd be inclined to throw at least half of this away and start over. So unless there is a consensus to do something like that, I'm afraid to wade in much more than I have. (I do still have a few things to add.)
 * The section on Revolutions of 1848 in the Habsburg areas in terms of early rumblings is vague at best. What religious conflicts are being referred to? What "revolutions… left the empire nearly bankrupt and in continual need of soldiers"? Does this last simply refer to what was going on in the empire's Italian possessions, or to something else?
 * And why don't we talk a bit more about the empire's Italian possessions? After all, that is where armed conflict started.
 * There is very little here about the complex web of competing ethnic claims. There are many single sentences, but nothing to give a clear picture.
 * Also, there seems to be little here about how many of the representatives of the nationalities started out talking a liberal and tolerant game, but soon degenerated into arch-nationalism.

Surely we have someone who knows this period better than I and can do a decent job on this. - Jmabel | Talk 03:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * As 1848 approached, the revolutions the Empire crushed to maintain longstanding conservative minister Klemens Wenzel von Metternich's Concert of Europe left the empire nearly bankrupt and in continual need of soldiers.[citation needed]
 * Not only there is a need of citation, but I don't understand the structure of this sentence at all.

Further, and I think this is what PaxEquilibrium was referring to above, there are sentences where the word order is simply not correct for English. For example, "The liberal ministers in Vienna were willing to allow elections for the German National Assembly in the Habsburg's lands, except, undetermined was in which part of the territory this would take place." I am going to change this to "The liberal ministers in Vienna were willing to allow elections for the German National Assembly in some of the Habsburg lands, but it was undetermined which Habsburg territories would participate," but I had to read it several times to work out that this is what it meant. It is not the only sentence with this sort of problem.

Let me answer just one point. A "josephine school" is a school opened after the reforms of the educational system by Emperor Joseph II. This is probably derived from the german terminology where "Josephinische Schulreform" is a widely used term among scholars. But I agree that this should be rewritten.

When

 * New democratic initiatives in Italy in the spring of 1848 led to a renewed conflict with Austrian forces ...
 * Aware that they were on the path to civil war in the summer of 1848...

These time periods are ambiguous. They should be replaced with more precise descriptions, such as month names or spans of months. --B.d.mills 07:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

1. Croatia and Slavonia were not a part a part of Hungary. They were officially in equal union, but since 1790 hungarian government carried out the executive power in them.

2. Bunjevci end Šokci are Croats, not Serbs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.131.8.196 (talk) 11:25, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Ethnic Venetians?
Among Italians subjected to Austria there were Lombard, Venetians, Friulians, and more? Why only Venetians are mentioned, instead of more accurate Italians? 2003:F5:FF09:5269:2949:936C:44C:B4B7 (talk) 12:55, 30 January 2024 (UTC)