Talk:Rex Chapman/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 19:54, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the ✅ tag to state when something is addressed.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs)
 * FWIW I dislike the idea that the Good article process requires luck. There's a nature of luck in that different reviewers will focus on different things. However, by having criteria, which have some semblance of acceptance from experienced reviewers, luck won't enter into the equation. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:34, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

 * It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
 * It contains copyright infringements -
 * It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include,, or large numbers of , , or similar tags. (See also ). -
 * It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. -

Links

 * social media influencer - isn't this just marketing slang? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There are sources in the section that use that phrasing. So if it's marketing slang, it's slang that has been picked up by RS (e.g. ) Barkeep49 (talk) 20:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Chapman was a high school sensation, winning numerous awards for his play. - can we not use "sensation", unless it's a quote. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 20:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Changed to phenom
 * Is "state University" the name, or is this badly worded? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Neither. The University of Kentucky is the university in Chapman's home state. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Can we reword to "play for his University of Kentucky in his home state..."? To an Englishman, the current wording doesn't make any sense. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:25, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * first draft pick of the expansion Charlotte Hornets - what does this mean? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 20:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Which part does what mean? I link the NBA draft in the body but I don't think such links are per se needed in the LEAD. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 14.6 points per games - points per game. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * led to a drug addiction. - to drug addiction. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. "led" is the verb in that sentence. Are you saying it should be "led eventually" instead of "eventually led"? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Neither - should read that it "led to drug addiction", rather than "led to a drug addiction". Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:25, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * he entered drug rehab for the third time - what about the first two times? Surely he entered drug rehab three times, and on the final one kicked the habit? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The third time followed an arrest which was itself covered in the media. The first two times are noted in the body. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Link Opiods? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * in serving the vice president of player personnel with the Denver Nuggets - serving as? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Chapman, to his surprise, became popular on Twitter by tweeting videos, frequently light-hearted or inspiring, to his followers - link Twitter, followers is technical term. There needs to more than "this guy is on Twitter" for this to be noteworthy, which should be in the lede. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What's in the lead is in my mind accurate summary style of the section which goes into more depth and establishes why it's encyclopedic content. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * in serving the vice president of player personnel with the Denver Nuggets - serving as? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Chapman, to his surprise, became popular on Twitter by tweeting videos, frequently light-hearted or inspiring, to his followers - link Twitter, followers is technical term. There needs to more than "this guy is on Twitter" for this to be noteworthy, which should be in the lede. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What's in the lead is in my mind accurate summary style of the section which goes into more depth and establishes why it's encyclopedic content. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Chapman, to his surprise, became popular on Twitter by tweeting videos, frequently light-hearted or inspiring, to his followers - link Twitter, followers is technical term. There needs to more than "this guy is on Twitter" for this to be noteworthy, which should be in the lede. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What's in the lead is in my mind accurate summary style of the section which goes into more depth and establishes why it's encyclopedic content. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

General

 * Chapman had a turbulent relationship with his father; he and his sister, Jenny, "used to pray that Wayne's teams would win" - how does this suggest they had a turbulent relationship? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Added a couple words to try and make this more clear. Would breaking it into two sentences rather than connected by a semi-colon help? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Apollo High School (Owensboro, Kentucky) - piped to a redirect. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Confused about this suggestion per WP:NOTBROKEN. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Do not fix it generally refers to "fixing" Y to X|Y when Y redirects to X. However, we should try to be a bit more precise when we pipe to a redirect. The policy you linked actually only talks about not fixing piped redirects that are R with possibilities. In this case, the piped link is never going to get a seperate article (maybe a move at some point, but that's by the by. This is quite minor thought really. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Radio host Matt Jones described him this way in 2020, "If you grew up in the state of Kentucky, like I did, Rex Chapman was the biggest high school basketball player that ever came from the state." - suggest rewording this. The quote doesn't actually say anything. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It says he was, in the mind of someone with some degree of expertise, the biggest high school basketball player that came from the state of Kentucky, a state which is into basketball. If I were reviewing an article and someone said in Wiki's voice "Chapman was arguably the biggest high school basketball player to come from Kentucky" I'd tell them to use a direct quote instead. But maybe (as with the drug addiction piece) I'm missing what you're actually suggesting. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you are. I think something like "In 2020, radio host Matt Jones described Chapman as "the biggest high school basketball player" to come from Kentucky", or similar. We aren't using wiki voice, but the current wording is a reasonably long quote to say quite a small thing.Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Chapman was heavily recruited by many universities. He chose, however, to stay close to home when he signed with the University of Kentucky - combine to one sentence. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Chapman was a star with the Kentucky Wildcats. - Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a topic sentence for the rest of the paragraph. However, I've added cites. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Is it worth explaining what a point is in basketball? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I added a link. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * SEC - perhaps say in full what this is. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * career best 30 in a losing effort - best what? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Chapman left the University as a campus legend with the nickname King Rex - WP:NPOV issues. Also, nickname should be in quotes. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Both the campus legend and the nickname are supported but the source. There are other sources used here that I could add if you want further sourcing that these statements are representative of how reliable sources describe him. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not that its not sourced, but saying someone is a legend should be a direct quote, this shouldn't really come from wikivoice. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * He was harassed by other students and the coaching staff for continuing to date his high school girlfriend who was black, "It wore on me... It was hateful." - without expanding, his girlfriends race is irrelevant. (arguably it is always irrelevant). Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Well then I will argue. Chapman experiencing harassment because he chose to date someone who wasn't white makes her race relevant to Chapman's life story. Does the revised wording work for you? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Then I think that bit needs expanding - considering we don't even mention what race Chapman is. Perhaps say that because his girfriend was black (I'm assuming Chapman is white) that was why he was harrassed for not being white, or whatever. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Good point about Chapman's race not being mentioned. Added it. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:07, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * [14][18][19][4]:0:38 - WP:CITEKILL. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Same with [19][20][21][22]. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * He was harassed by other students and the coaching staff for continuing to date his high school girlfriend who was black, "It wore on me... It was hateful." - without expanding, his girlfriends race is irrelevant. (arguably it is always irrelevant). Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Well then I will argue. Chapman experiencing harassment because he chose to date someone who wasn't white makes her race relevant to Chapman's life story. Does the revised wording work for you? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Then I think that bit needs expanding - considering we don't even mention what race Chapman is. Perhaps say that because his girfriend was black (I'm assuming Chapman is white) that was why he was harrassed for not being white, or whatever. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Good point about Chapman's race not being mentioned. Added it. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:07, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * [14][18][19][4]:0:38 - WP:CITEKILL. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Same with [19][20][21][22]. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Same with [19][20][21][22]. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:

Review meta comments

 * I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs)
 * Placing on hold. The lede and early part of the article are much worse than the rest of the article. Please drop me a ping with any responses you might have. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:11, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I've responded to all points raised above. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I think some crossed wires for a few of these points. Nothing too much, just a couple minor points I've re-raised. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:59, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I've responded above. Also, and I could be wrong here (everything I've learned about this has been from so I claim no expertise) but I think mixing *: and ** is bad for screen readers and it's better to just use one indenting style consistently in any given conversational thread. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:07, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No,you are right, I'll be more careful. I'm happy with the replies,so I'll pass this one now. Well done. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:59, 10 October 2020 (UTC)