Talk:Reynhard Sinaga

Please be encyclopedic
This article is attracting a lot of attention from new editors. I propose to let it run for a bit and make corrective edits in a few hours.&#39;&#39;Paul, in Saudi&#39;&#39; (talk) 14:09, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Category:LGBT people from Indonesia
Hi. I see that he was placed into the Category:LGBT people from Indonesia, but nothing in the article actually cites his sexuality. He did target gay men, but does that itself mean he is gay too?  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:00, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


 * , "Gay men" was also added; I agree with you. --CoryGlee (talk) 18:26, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


 * has found more info from one of the news refs and cited it. Nice work.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:27, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


 * ., oh yes, he is, nice work. :) --CoryGlee (talk) 18:30, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


 * For the record I didn't see this discussion prior to when I edited the page nor was I searching specifically for information that Sinaga was gay, I simply came across it while reading on of the references and added it to the article (aka I didn't mean to come across as promoting some agenda by adding it). Nonetheless thank you for your kind words Lugnuts and CoryGlee. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 19:13, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


 * No problem, and nice work in sourcing that part.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 20:49, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Free Use Photo?
I'm not familiar with the copyright rules in Britain. Is the photo from CPS free-use? --JimmyStardust (talk) 03:45, 7 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Answering myself: the CPS uses the Open Government Licence, so yes. --JimmyStardust (talk) 08:52, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Factory nightclub?
How many are there in Manchester? I thought only the one associated with Factory Records, on the corner of Princess Street and Charles Street. Or am I thinking of The Haçienda? He also frequented Fifth Avenue, apparently (but not the one in Manhattan). I guess the problem is that there is no separate article for the nightclub and the connection with the record label is not sufficiently well established. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 7 January 2020 (UTC)


 * There's only one that I know of. The Haçienda closed in 2009, with the Factory nightclub opening the following year.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:01, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Number of life sentences
This is kind of a geeky point that we probably don't need any detail about, but if we're going to mention it, it would be good to get it right. According to many sources, Sinaga was serving 88 concurrent life sentences, with a minimum of 20 years, after the first two trials. The minimum tariff was increased to 30 years somewhere in the final two trials. I find it hard to believe the number of life sentences was not also increased. -- zzuuzz (talk) 15:44, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that does seem odd. Perhaps the lead section should make this clearer. The phrase "handed over" looked a bit ambiguous. It is a bit "geeky", to the extent that 88 concurrent life sentences is just the same as 89 concurrent life sentences. It's the minimum term that really matters? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:49, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Visit to Paris
I'm not sure if this visit is important enough to mention in the first place because it seems irrelevant to the offences. The source provided from The Telegraph doesn't mention the visit and we describe it as having happened three months after he was arrested following the last attack, which must be a mistake.LM2000 (talk) 04:36, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I am reasonably sure I added the assertion from the Telegraph source, but the detail is no longer in the article, and no other source seems to contain this information. So it has been cut. Philip Cross (talk) 08:37, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Phone capacity
I'm no expert, but how is it possible to store over 3 terabytes of data on one (or two) iPhones? I thought these things had a storage capacity of about 128 Gb. PhilUK (talk) 10:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


 * probably through cloud storage --Sxologist (talk) 10:52, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Re-reading carefully, I see that it doesn't say that the 3 TB of data was stored on his phone. PhilUK (talk) 11:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Rendering of the name
In Indonesia every name is an undivided name that acts as a single given name, with no legal family name: https://culturalatlas.sbs.com.au/indonesian-culture/indonesian-culture-naming#indonesian-culture-naming "Under Indonesian naming conventions, all components[...]"

However I'm OK with having the subject called "Sinaga" since in UK sources he's called by that name, and the crimes he was prosecuted for were done in the UK. (example).

This means, though, that for the Jakarta Post I had writers referred to as a single author= flag instead of a last= and first= flag. WhisperToMe (talk) 13:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There are some Indonesians who do have family names (and this man may have one, as his father is referred to with "Sinaga" as an element), but they don't have a distinction in Indonesian law. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I cited Australia's SBS to explain Indonesian convention and how, in Indonesia, he only has a single unified personal name under Indonesian law. Again, I think the article should use British practices (calling him "Sinaga") as the events took place in the UK. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest that he is notable mainly for the offences for which he was prosecuted in English law. Given that, the name used in the article should be one under which he was prosecuted? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The Crown Prosecution Service referred to him by the last element of his name, Sinaga, so I agree that the ENwiki article should continue calling him "Sinaga". The IDwiki article calls him "Reynhard" in line with the Indonesian practice. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)