Talk:Rezső Seress

restuarant?
"In Budapest, the restaurant Kispipa Vendéglő is still there today, and the pianist continues the tradition of playing the song."

What is the relationship of this restaurant to the composer? The article needs to clarify this point. - IstvanWolf (talk) 16:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Tradition connects the name of Seress to Kispipa. Their homepage claims that this is the place where Seress played in the last ten years of his life. Other sources mention the Kulacs and the Kispipa restaurants, while Molnar Gal Peter insists that he played not at either place but at the Miniatűr at the Buday Laszlo street. Kope (talk) 08:58, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

More suicides!
OK, so according to Wikipedia, Billie Holiday's family and girlfriend committed suicide because of that song. But that's nothing compared to those 17 suicides in Hungary and 200 worldwide the song triggered according to snopes.--87.162.51.217 (talk) 21:02, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Removed Chat
I've removed the text "(this story is ridiculous, for one billie holiday was a girl, did not have a girlfriend who killed herself or much family, she had no children and was separated from her husband-3rd husband- at the time of her death)" from the article because it is irrelevant and misplaced. Chat goes in the Discussion page.

The references to Rezső Seress's family and girlfriend have been removed by the last editor, but as they stood I can only assume the writer (of the text I removed) read the article wrong and misconstrued its meaning (eg. that Billy Holiday wrote this song/ killed herself). Arkizzle (talk) 00:13, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Sigh, Seress' girlfriend never committed suicide, IF he ever had a girlfriend. That was Jávor's girlfriend who committed suicide. Thing is, there are like at least 3 different version of this, and how Gloomy Sunday came to be:
 * 1. That Seress' broke up with his girlfriend, then wrote Gloomy Sunday in her memory, then she committed suicide at the reunion. This version is dubious, to say the least, considering the original title of the song - Vege a világnak (The world has ended), being a clear song about WW2 Hungary. Also the fact, that the Szomorú vasárnap lyrics were written by Laszlo Jávor.
 * 2. That Seress' wrote the song because he was depressed because of a war or something, then its lyrics were supersesed by Jávor's Szomorú vasárnap (Sad sunday) lyrics, written at the break-up of Jávor's own romance, Jávor's girlfriend committing the suicide at the day of the planned re-union with Jávor. The most likely version, given all the facts.
 * 3. Jávor's own romance, as per version 2, but putting Jávor's lyrics originally first written as a poem, to which Séress then set the music, and at a later date, also wrote his own lyrics to said music. This is the version, preferred by Wikipedia apparently (without any sources, of course), and contradicts the clear fact, that the sheet music is titled Vege a világnak, with Jávor's Szomorú vasárnap lyrics listed below the music, as alternative lyrics.
 * 4. Just like version 2, but gives up a different story about how Seress' came up with the song - claiming, that he was at some magician's or something, house, and heard some devilish sounds there, which inspired him to write the song. This is a clear Urban Legend, with no proof, or anything, and just lamely attempts to put a supernatural explanation for the supposed suicides that followed the song.
 * As for the suicides, are there clear news reports about them? Because the only places I seem to find them mentoned, are sites about Gloomy Sunday, all providing the exact same version of the facts, and all of them claiming Seress wrote the song on the break-up of his own romance (contradicting the title/main lyrics of the sheet music, which are by Seress, and titled Vege a világnak (The world has ended), not even by far mentioning or promoting any kind of suicide, and Jávor's Szomorú vasárnap lyrics being the ones which promote suicide). So I'm quite sure, that these suicides are nothing, but a load of urban legends, that evolved around the song, or possibly originated as the marketing campaign for Billie Holiday's version of the song, which Wikipedia's article on the song says.
 * Not to even mention, that the suicides part of this article seems to be directly copy+pasted from the article at phespirit.info, possibly being therefore even copyvio. All, in all, I think this article, as well, as the Gloomy Sunday, and Laszlo Jávor, ones, need to be heavily rewritten, using available, and reliably sourcable, facts, rather than urban legends - which can be mentioned, but clearly stating they are most probably urban legends - and false histories which contradict the facts. - 94.140.73.150 (talk) 18:11, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Age
He was 68 but under picture is 78. It's wrong, pls correct it. محمدعلی بختیاری (talk) محمدعلی بختیاری (talk) 16:56, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Most reliable sources seem to give his birth year as 1889, not 1899 - so, his age at death was 78 not 68. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:03, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you محمدعلی بختیاری (talk) محمدعلی بختیاری (talk) 15:25, 22 November 2022 (UTC)