Talk:Rhapsody of Fire/Archive 1

Rain of a Thousand Flames an EP?
According to this article, Rain of a Thousand Flames is an EP. I know it only has 7 songs, but according to the official website only The Dark Secret is an EP. This could be, because it features some very long songs (6:22, 10:36 and 13:41), making the CD last 41:52 which isn't that short for Rhapsody. Should we list it as an album again?

edit: The same about the year of some CD's. According to the revision of 83.31.75.15, some CD's were listed incorrectly, but again: the official Rhapsody website disagrees. I think about undoing his edit. Any thoughts?


 * In Rhapsody's official biography, RoaTF is called as a Mini-CD and The Dark Secret is EP. Rain of a Thousand Flames should stay in the EP section. I recall when Rhapsody released this they called it as a mini album and Power of the Dragonflame as a forthcoming album.

Thunderforce a former band member?
According to 24.222.163.254 Thunderforce is a former member, but the link links to an article about a videogame, and Thunderforce isn't a name of a person, so how can it be a former member?


 * AFAIK Thunderforce was not a member, but rather the former name of the band before they switched to Rhapsody. Berserker79 09:32, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * True, but the article already sais: "Rhapsody is an Italian Epic metal band, formerly known as Thundercross", so it hasn't got any use to add that name to the former band members. Therefore i'm going to remove thundercross as a former member today.
 * Don't confuse between thundercross (the old name) and thunderforce the artistic name of a drummer. Thunderforce is not a former member, is just a guest member, he helped with the drums in Power of the Dragonflame Neo139

Whats an EP?
Whats an EP?


 * An Extended Play is shorter than an album, but longer than a single. It generally contains around 6 songs. --Sn0wflake 18:59, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Questionable member listings
Can anyone verify if the listed 'secondary guitarist' Chris Murray is actually part of Rhapsody? The offical site still list Dominique Lerquin as their live guitarist and some googling hasn't thrown up any other matches.

I also have never before heard that Tuomo Lassila played bass for Rhapsody. He is known for playing drums for Stratovarius. Radagast1983, 14/04/06, 09:14.


 * Correct it then, its probally vandalism thats gone amiss. Ley Shade 10:23, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Copyright and Trademark Issues
"Due to copyright and trademark issues the band formerly known as Rhapsody has changed its name."

This has apparently already been noted, with the pages name and information changed. But does anyone have any information on the infringement itself? Who contacted the band, and with what threats of legal action? If anyone has more info on this, would it be relevant enough to make the Wiki page itself? --Sakaki22 14:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC) They put this in the index of the Rhapsody and Magic Circle Music webpage: """" Rhapsody Of Fire: A new era of film score metal has arrived. Due to copyright and trademark issues the band formerly known as Rhapsody has changed its name. The band members consider this a great new start, reflecting the emboldened and increasingly grandiose direction that their music has taken. “The power of the dragonflame will burn brighter than ever before,” says guitarist/songwriter Luca Turilli. Keyboardist/songwriter Alex Staropoli adds, “The name Rhapsody Of Fire better represents the energy that has always been present in this band and its music.” With a new record company in Magic Circle Music, a new tour planned and a new album on the way, Rhapsody Of Fire will continue to explore musical fantasy worlds with the precision musicianship and unique symphonic concepts that their fans have come to expect and adore. Fresh on the heels of the band’s first live album release, Live In Canada 2005 - The Dark Secret, a new name and renewed vigor ensure that Rhapsody Of Fire still hold the passion and power that have always been associated with their music.""""" That's all the information we have. --Neo139 19:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I added this to the page under a new heading to show people why it had been changed, --Jeff24 12:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

but who was the lawsuit with? and when did it start?
 * I've already searched the net but to no avail. They didn't tell who have complained about copyright. Perhaps they do not whant to offer to the copyright holders undeserved notability by citing them, which would be fine to me. Loudenvier 11:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps some people were confusing the band with Rhapsody the online music service so they might have used that as an excuse to change their name to reflect their current musical direction. I haven't checked the discussion board on the band's website but if you're that curious maybe it provides more detail.

NPOV
Christopher Lee's narrations on Symphony of Enchanted Lands II: The Dark Secret are significantly less ridiculous . Come on... that is not neutral. I like the Sir Jay Lansford narrations. --Neo139 02:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

This article was probably written by some massive fan..very very biased.--SilverOrion (talk) 09:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Add Film Score Metal comment?
Considering that they often claim to being 'Film Score Metal' or even 'Hollywood Metal' it may be worth noting this somewhere in the article or even under 'Genre(s)' in the top right panel. Although, I know there are good arguments to suggest that the bulk of their material isn't of the slick compositional polish of Hollywood scores, surely they get their own preferred genre descriptors listed on here?

Besides, there is a Film Score Metal page up on wikipedia at long last ;)

Baronvongoremeat 20:28, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's valid at all. Nightwish have some of their tracks even being used in films, whereas I don't know about Rhapsody. All that new page says is basically symphonic power metal, which is already mentioned. --Dayn 03:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Whilst I agree with you, remember that symphonic music is markedly disparate from the music used in film scores. Symphonies are rigid: four parts, following one progression, start to finish. Film scores have traditionally been fluid, changing according to situation, mood and characters. But I know that symphonic power metal is a style in which the definition does not have to relate to the definition of a symphony (otherwise then, nothing would be symphonic power metal).

As far as I'm concerned, if Rhapsody, the fans, the critics and so on refer to it as film score metal then that's good enough for me.

Interestingly, NONE of their earlier material is 'film score' at all. Only the last two albums really.

Is there no value in drawing perspicuity between film score metal and power metal? Eg. Dimmu Borgir have written music for Hellboy, yet they are not really power metal (i think.. I'm not sure on that one)

Baronvongoremeat 14:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure you can mention it in the article; but I disagree with adding it as a genre. I would call it film score metal, only if it was used in a film score, and then in the context that it's a heavy metal song, in a film score. As it is, they're pretty much symphonic power metal. Examples mentioned in the film score metal article are quite different to each other; genre means alike, and "generic" stems from that word, and there's not much homogeny between the examples listed except for symphonic elements. In which case, I'm for mentioning it in the article, but not for the genre box as it's hardly a description, if there's bands from different genres there. --Dayn 14:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Argh, that's an age-old misunderstanding. Symphonic does not refer to the form of a symphony, much less a classical symphony (there are other forms), but to the original sense of the word - "sounding together" - symphonic metal is characterised by an orchestral sound, whether simulated through keyboards or achieved with the help of a real symphonic orchestra (not necessarily a full orchestra, might also be a bunch of people playing various different instruments and especially sets of like instruments together, like Haggard). Florian Blaschke (talk) 03:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Speed Metal?
I've had many refer to Rhapsody (of Fire) as being speed metal, or at least inspired by speed metal. Should that be added to the genres list? - Tenthkarma 01:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I dunno. They don't sound like speed metal to me. But are they neo-classical metal?


 * They're symphonic and sometimes power, so i guess Symphonic/Power Metal. Their music sounds like film scores, but this could only be used to describe their 'sound' not their 'music', I think. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LAUBO (talk • contribs) 18:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC).


 * But don't they incorporate baroque music?
 * They are inspired in Speed metal. Riot's Thundersteel is Luca's favorite album. But Rhapsody is not speed metal. --Neo139 20:07, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Italian band?
May be it sound absurd to discuss the issue but, although three of its members had italian origin, would be better said that is a european band, taking note that currently has members from other nations, such France and Germany. --Dardón López J.R. 23:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The country in which the band was founded is what is considered when the header is written. --Sn0wflake 20:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. It is an Italian band with a couple of members from other countries.  At this point I reference Stratovarius, who have a German drummer and a Swedish keyboardist, but are still Finnish.  Or Kamelot, who have a Norwegian vocalist and a hungarian keyboardist, but are still American.  --Floydiac (talk) 17:11, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Prog?
Seriously, how in heaven's name can Rhapsody be considered progressive metal? I know they state that on their myspace site but earnestly, what elements of progressive metal have Rhapsody incorporated in their music? Just a few fast solo trade-offs between the guitarist and the keyboarder doesn't make a band prog. Compare to bands like Circus Maximus, Symphony X or Kamelot and please tell me that I am right. You don't want to shatter my view of the world by telling me that Rhapsody is prog, do you? 213.157.1.82 (talk) 07:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Rhapsody certainly incorporates prog metal influence:

Progressive metal is a sub-genre of heavy metal music which blends the powerful, guitar-driven sound of metal with the complex compositional structures, odd time signatures, and intricate instrumental playing of progressive rock. Like progressive rock songs, progressive metal songs are usually much longer than standard metal songs, and they are often thematically linked in concept albums. Rhapsody got complex compositional structures, rhythm changes, a guitarist virtuoso, unconventional instruments, compositions that run 13-15 min, concept albums, etc. And would you tell me, what of this Kamelot got? If asked which of two bands is more prog, and which is "just" power metal, I would point Kamelot as power example. Garret Beaumain (talk) 07:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * In fact, Luca Turilli's concepts span multiple albums, which is much more "epic" than single concept albums. ;)
 * Oh, and DragonForce have some progressive metal influence as well, especially on Inhuman Rampage. Just because it's "cheesy power metal" doesn't mean it can't be progressive, you know, that's what the original objection reads to me like: "OMG they're not serious/intellectual enough to be in any way connected to my holy progressive metal genre! They're too accessible/fun-oriented! *gasp*". Florian Blaschke (talk) 03:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Members of Dragonforce hold progressive influences, that much is true, but they don't display it. Inhuman Rampage is an awful example because it has been admitted by the band as a quick album often using the B-Sides of Sonic Firestorm (and indeed themes from Sonic Firestorm).  Also, concept albums are not limited to progressive music and they never will be limited to progressive music.  The fact that you use concept albums to prove Rhapsody of Fire's apparent progressive song structure (of which there are few, if any) is laughable, for if this were the case, The Who would be considered progressive.  And as you stated, multiple albums are much more 'epic'.  Which is why they are first and foremost considered 'epic metal'.


 * It's also worth noting that Kamelot is an amazingly difficult band to label. Most people consider them Heavy Symphonic Metal just to give the argument a rest.  When I first began listening to Kamelot I was informed they were a power metal band, and for the life of me I couldn't hear the power metal elements in their music.  The case of Kamelot is that they take many genres and throw it into one - particularly on the latest album Ghost Opera.  There is definite progressive elements in Kamelot, but not enough for them to be considered progressive metal alone, more an amalgamation of progressive, power and symphony.  On that note, it could be said that Rhapsody displays the same mindset, but I can not hear the progression in Rhapsody.  It's often power metal with orchestral influences therefore leading me to believe they could (should) be considered Symphonic Metal or Neoclassical Metal. GotB (talk) 10:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You just say you don't "hear the progression" (WTF?) in Rhapsody's music, but that is much more laughable than my argument because you don't even give any reason for your opinion, only a subjective impression that can't be argued. What you call "progression" you could equally call "invisible pink unicorn", I have no idea what you mean by it. I suppose you don't mean chord progressions ;-), perhaps a type of development through the song instead of straightforward repetition? But that's not my general listening experience with so-called progressive rock/metal artists. Improvisation vs. composition doesn't cut it either. The problem about all those genre discussions is that people often don't make their criteria explicit, if they have any at all. Everyone has their personal definition that seems to be based mostly on family resemblances and that's hardly musicologically sound.


 * To repeat, in Rhapsody, you have:
 * long, complex arrangements
 * virtuosic, intricate instrumental playing
 * rhythm changes
 * unconventional instruments
 * considerable influence from classical and folk music
 * grand, overarching themes and concepts
 * over-the-top lyrics based on fantasy and mythology


 * One thing that I can't remember them using (much) is odd time signatures, but odd time signatures alone don't make prog.
 * So you can't deny that at the very least, their music has a lot of points in common with prog.


 * That said, whether an album essentially consists of B-sides from another album is irrelevant for the issue at hand, which is a pure genre classification issue. Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

The Dark Secret
is a single, according to their site. Someone gotta make changes at that box containing all their discography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.143.116.10 (talk) 21:06, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Major cleanup required.
Who wants to take it on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.131.228 (talk) 17:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Theremin on Legendary Tales?
There is a theremin listed under guest members, played by an ice hockey reporter. It is not mentioned on his biography, his article, the article about the album or any other source I have found and I do not recall hearing characteristic sounds of such an instrument on the album. Is it a fake? 87.123.37.224 (talk) 20:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Land of Immortals is a Single?
In the discography box at the bottom of Rhapsody of Fire's main page (as well as most of their other pages), [Land of Immortals] is listed as a Single. It should only be listed as a Demo, especially since both links point to the same page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by StormDrake (talk • contribs) 19:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Legal problems with Magic Circle Music?
I have checked into websites about Rhapsody and Magic Circle Music (including Luca Turilli's sites) and there is no quote that is on the Rhapsody Wiki page, in fact there is no mention of a problem with Magic Circle Music, nor Mr. Demaio since 2007 when the South American tour was cancelled and even then no names are mentioned aside from a mention of mysterious 'former management'.

Can anybody shed some light on this? GotB (talk) 10:45, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * There was a press release / news item on this on Rhapsody (of Fire)'s site, but it has been taken down. Here is a reprinting of that item, posted on Blabbermouth:  http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/BLABBERMOUTH.NET/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=99535


 * - - StormDrake (talk) 20:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

What about Autumn Twilight????????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.196.160.55 (talk) 21:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Symphonic epic metal!
Rhapsody Of Fire is symphonic epic metal, power metal, neo-classical metal and progressive metal!


 * - - Leon666a (talk) 10:37, 17/04/2009 (UTC)

Latest eMails ??
Hej there... What do you think about the latest eMails Alex send to his fans...?... Are they relevant for the Wiki Article...?...

It is this one...

Hi my friend,

This is Alex Staropoli from Rhapsody of Fire. (Yes, you read that correctly, it's me) :-)

I want to say that I deeply appreciate your great loyalty as a Rhapsody of Fire fan. Through our music we feel a special connection with you.

In addition to creating more and more new music, I have also discovered a passion for helping new bands that are just starting out... So, I've teamed up with former HolyHell guitar player and music career mentor Tom Hess, as well as rock band coaching expert Draven Grey. Together, we have created "Becoming Unforgettable - A Rock Band's Guide To Image And Branding".

Check out our guide at Tom's website and read about the 9 Deadly Mistakes You Should Avoid To Make Your Rock Band A Big Success

http://www.tomhess.net/RockBandSuccess.aspx

Ciao :-) Alex

P.S. Feel free to forward this message to your friends. Forward this email to a friend

Alltogether with the strange offer to teach fans how to play Guitar it seems as if the band has SERIOUS problems... I mean, come on... How bad is it if the band uses the Newsletter to place advertisement like that...?...

It´s really unprofessional and annoying... Although I LOVE the Band and the songs they did in the past... I was really enjoying their live performance in Berlin in 2006...

What do you think, relevant or not...?...

kakalakambeki22:518, 13. Jun 2009 (CEST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.73.40.207 (talk) 20:19, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * What's so unprofessional about that? Rhapsody of Fire and all side projects are suspended due to the legal battle. No new releases, no tours. So Luca Turilli and Alex Staropoli must pass the time somehow and make a little money. Therefore the sharing of experience (given their own good and bad experiences) and the guitar lessons. A short remark about that would be nice to have in the article. Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Unlisted Compilation Album?
There's record of a 2008 compilation album by Rhapsody of Fire called Twilight Symphony, but this isn't listed here, nor on the band's website. Despite this, it does contain what seems to be original content (notably an English language release of Guardiani Del Destino from SOEL2). Can anyone verify if this is actually a RoF release? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.193.241.88 (talk) 05:33, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * This album is listed on the Italian Wikipedia [].

Luca Turili's Rhapsody article?
Would it be an idea to start an article of Luca Turili's new band - although the only sources that I know of to use are the band's website http://www.ltrhapsody.com/ and possibly Nuclear Blast's website...? Any ideas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumkid13 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

"Not to be Confused with the other one" at the top of the article
I'm sure a heck of a lot of people can confuse these two acts that they have split into (Rhapsody of Fire and Luca Turilli's Rhapsody), especially after going through name changes in the past. I think it would make sense to include a "Not to be confused with Luca Turilli's Rhapsody" at the top of this article, as well as "Not to be confused with rhapsody of fire" at the top of the LT's Rhapsody article. Any objections? Vortiene (talk) 21:56, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Peacock prose
The second paragraph of "Beginning of The Dark Secret Saga (2004–2006)" seems filled with peacock prose. Between "The violin and the cello produce dark sounds and a magical atmosphere is created by the duels fought between the woodwind players and the strings," and "...they give the whole work a magical mood, which is then intensified...", it seems to be an example of MOS:PUFFERY. The entire section appears to be unsourced, as well. I've gone ahead and removed the sentences. Thanks, Gageills (talk) 03:54, 9 August 2021 (UTC)