Talk:RheinEnergieStadion

Number of Michael Jackson audience
With a capacity of 50.000 people, how can Michael Jackson play to an audience of 192.000 with three shows? 87.161.36.203 (talk) 18:24, 24 June 2013 (UTC)


 * 50,000 is stadium seating capacity. The pitch seating is not included in stadium capacity. 174.93.63.247 (talk) 14:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 13 March 2019

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The result of the move request was: moved (closed by non-admin page mover)  SITH   (talk)   22:36, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Müngersdorfer Stadion → RheinEnergieStadion – The current name is a fiction. The Müngersdorfer stadium was demolished in 2004 and the RheinEnergieStadion was built on the same site in stages. They are two separate stadiums per the official website:. The only sources I've found which call the current stadium the Müngersdorfer Stadium called the new stadium an "upgrade" per Google Translate. This is different from say Kardinia Park or Docklands Stadium which are commonly referred to as such in spite of their sponsorship. Furthermore, every other Western language (Latin/Cyrillic script) (except, interestingly, Czech) refers to it as the RheinEnergieStadion. Per WP:CRITERIA, we should rename this article to reflect the stadium's actual current name. SportingFlyer  T · C  23:46, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment I should write a template for myself when reading every RM. When open a RM, please provide reliable sources, at least three (or five). Matthew hk (talk) 23:58, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , and in German on the official Koeln website . There are a few sources which still refer to the stadium as Müngersdorfer Stadion, but none of them are anywhere near as reliable and it's possible there's a mirror effect back to WP. SportingFlyer  T · C  06:15, 14 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, this article was about the old and new stadium. I would support a split of article with RheinEnergieStadion as the article of the new stadium, as the new one know only for its sponsored name. However, the old stadium seem known as Müngersdorfer Stadion. However, it seem out of scope for RM for split. For current article that was about the old and new stadium, I am undecided to use which title. Matthew hk (talk) 09:16, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * BTW it was a total rebuilt or not? Government Stadium and Hong Kong Stadium for example, was actually a rebuilt, the high stand are new, which again the high stand may be demolished again as well as reinstalment of track-and-field facilities in the future (after the opening of another stadium in Kai Tak as well as proposed closure of Wan Chai multi-purpose stadium). It worths to me to split the article if the layout and main structure are different. Matthew hk (talk) 09:20, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 09:06, 14 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Support - whilst we do not use sponsored names for football stadiums, this appears to have no other (non-sponsored) name (see also eg King Power Stadium which is the same). Müngersdorfer Stadion was the old, demolished stadium - confirmed here ("The RheinEnergieSTADION is located in the Müngersdorf area of Cologne at the same location as the previous Müngersdorfer Stadion. A new FC stadium was constructed in 1975 before the stadium of today was built from 2002 to 2004 in time for the FIFA World Cup in 2006.") GiantSnowman 09:18, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Support - While I support this move, I think the article needs to be clearer about the chronology of the stadium. Perhaps we need a separate article about the previous buildings that stood on the site. – PeeJay 10:04, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Split - if they are different stadiums they should be separate articles, like Tottenham Hotspur Stadium and White Hart Lane. Multiple other examples in similar situations as well. Borgarde (talk) 10:56, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Support - Doing a simple Google search, the previous/original name is only mentioned when referencing the history of the stadium. I do see any evidence that local, national or international media is referring to this stadium by its original name.Itsbydesign (talk) 23:31, 17 March 2019 (UTC)


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