Talk:Richard Butler (white supremacist)

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There is no affiliation between the twelveyear site & Butler anymore, the real Aryan Nations website is at http://www.aryan-nations.org/

The Aryan Nations page is wrong, there never was no such person "muchless leader" of the Aryan Nations named Jonathon Williams, the Aryan Nations is led by August Kreis III.

The Aryan Nations was not & is not run by this 20 year old Kid named Jonathan Williams, it's run by August Kreis (his predocessor)

I am Aryan Nations, I blow all the Leaders & Jonathan Willams was never even a member, matter of fact he's never even been a member of the AN, I have pictures with Butler & News paper articles where Butler, Butler assigned Redfaeirn as his predocessor just do a Google Search, Redfaeirn died 1 year later & he not only named but it was automaticaly left to August Kreis III "The Aryan Nations National Director" as appointed by Butler, the current leader is Kreis, Williams was never even a member of the Aryan Nations muchless a leader.


 * OK, I totally understand that folks insist that the group they are not in is the fake, but here at Wikipedia, we rely on references to what other people have published. So please start by listing here on the discussion page the links to published material that discusses the power struggle after Butler's death. In this case, a few links to pages from the various groups that claim they are the rightful Aryan Nations would be appropriate to be included on the page as part of the discussion. If some group such as the SPLC has published material about any of these claims, that would also be appropriate. The page will stay locked until an agreement is worked out. This is standard Wikipedia policy--even for neo-Nazis. :-) --Cberlet 23:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Here ya go
Jonathan Williams was never a member of the Aryan Nations "muchless the leader", The Aryan Nations website is http://www.Aryan-Nations.org run by August Kreis III, World Chaplain is James P. Wickstrom.

No one in the Aryan Nations has ever even heard of Jonathan Williams. Years before Butler died " The Founder" Butler made multiple news paper & tv appearances announcing Redfairin as his predocessor & Kreis as National Director, then 1 year later Redfairin died of a heart attack leaving Juba, Juba shortly after resigned & to of wich he publically annouced as you see everything below coinsiding with leaving The Aryan Nations in the hands of August Kreis III "Long term member & personal friend of Butler,Redfairin & Juba. Jonathan Williams was not even a member of the Aryan Nations We don't even know who he is. It's kinda funny really, that a 20 year old kid would claim to be the leader of the infamous Aryan Nation "World Headquarters" when all he really ever did was buy Butlers old personal website address after he died.

Just do a search in Google, Butler was the founder of the Aryan Nations, his Predecessor was Redfairin & Juba, Redfairin died & Juba resigned than 1 year later leaving it to August Kreis III (The Aryan Nations National Director.) As you see nowhere can you find anything on this Jonathan Williams character as I said he was never even a member of the Aryan Nations just ask them or better yet just look back @ the last couple years of wikipedia & see what it always said.

THERE NEVER WAS NO SUCH MEMBER OF THE ARYAN NATIONS NAMED JONATHAN WILLIAMS. Williams has never even met Butler, Redfairin, Juba or Kreis, I know this as I am & have been a member of the Aryan Nations long before Jonathan Williams was even out of Diapers & personal friends with the Leader of the Aryan Nations....

I've got video tape & hundreds of pictures of everyone who was & is Aryan Nations, Kreis lived & Butler stayed @ Kreis house long after Butler gave up his throne, tell ya what pick up the phone & call the FBI or National Security, or ABC, CNN, etc, etc, & ask them who the leader of The Aryan Nations is & those who were closest to Butler & or it's leaders till they day they died.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/29/schuster.column/ &

http://www.rickross.com/reference/aryan/aryan45.html &

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/butler.asp &

http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_in_america_updates/groups/aryan_nations/aryan+nations_update_0502.htm

Quote: Until early March 2005, the Aryan Nations splinter faction had been led by Charles Juba in Ulysses, Pennsylvania, who moved the headquarters to Kansas City for unknown reasons. Shortly after relocation, Juba announced his resignation as both leader and member of the organization, naming August Kreis as his successor.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/927968.asp

http://www.bnainoach.com/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=101

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=37

http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=99&Itemid=27

Sure there has been alot of confusion over who the Aryan Nations leader was after all the squabling but Butler was getting senile his last years that's why, hell Butler probably gave the Aryan Nations away to every nice kid he seen @ the grocery store "No Offense" but like I said he had already publically announced his prodecessors long before to the public media, on video tape & the net. And even if rest assured he did not give it to no 20 year old kid "he never met" over those who not only served him for years, but took care of him to the day he died. Redfairin Died, Juba resigned August B Kreis III has run it since end of story.

Ask this Jonathon Kid to see some pictures of him with Butler or Redfairin, Juba or Kreis....? I got Pictures of Kreis with all of em, not only at Gathering but @ each others house over 20 years, church, baptisms, family gatherings, rallys, TV shows, etc, etc. Kreis has been on Every TV News station there is "Youve seen him" ABC, CNN, CBS, he's been on Maury Povich, Jerry Spriger about 5 times & I quote "Jerry I got your mom in my trunk, she's a lampshade".......

Jonathon Williams is not only NOT the leader of the Aryan Nations but he was never even a member.

Williams never held any role in the AN & no one including the people butler lived with shortly before his death had ever even heard of this kid. Anyhow I am tired of explaing this, Jonathan Williams is not & was not @ anytime a member of the Aryan Nations. I have told & showed proof of more than anyone should ever need & the meens to verify.

http://www.aryan-nations.org/From_the_Desk/desk_of_james_wickstrom.htm

With that said please remove the twelvearyannations link from the site now, the only reason williams put it up there is to try & get notoriety & page rank for his new site.

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Please sign your comments, even if you choose a pseudonym. It makes it easier to track comments. An administrator has locked this page pending a discussion here. That usually takes about a week. I am not an administrator, just another editor trying to stop a revert war and asking for evidence. --Cberlet 13:22, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The person above claiming to be in the Aryan Nations needs to answer one question....Why do groups I have talked to over this matter say that Williams along with two other gentlemen took over as a Council upon Butler's death. These groups also claim that this Kreiss is not allowed at any of their meetings because he associates with non-whites.accuratehistory

The Real Aryan Nations
All depends who you talk to & where. Some people are ignorant or simply put don't know. Kreis was not only a member of the KKK for 14+ years but he was a leader. There are many different factions of white suprimacy groups including the KKK all of wich different bylaws, beliefs, etc. It don't matter who you ask, even in the same orginizations someones always going to give you a different answer, simply put because most don't know...

Butler gave the Aryan Nations to Redfairin years prior to him dying, there were press releases on this, Just look around you won't find any public announcements where Butler announced leaving it to 3 kids & you know why ? #1 because it never happened & #2 he had already given the Aryan Nations away to his predecesors.......

Please show me 1 single articles where butler says the Aryan Nations was being left to three kids ?????

Williams made a post on Butlers site a few weeks after butler died saying this "Not the Aryan Nations site" acting like Butler said he was leaving the Aryan Nations to him & butlers "webmaster" aka Williams website friends. Butler was senial he did not even run the AN nomore don't you see how stupid that sounds... Williams is just telling storys, making things & posting links to his website wherever he casn to try 7 get notoriety "to try & get people to beleive him", Well DON'T!!!!!!!

Butler had already named his predocessors years prior to his death "Redfairin, Juba & Kreis" heck the AN was already on it's 3rd leader @ the time of Butlers death. Sure you can say Butler kicked out Kreis but Butler was senile "Like I said" Butler could not even do that anyways as Kreis was already the leader.... Hell Butler lived with Kreis & stayed @ Kreis house just prior to his death, you don't even know the tip of the relation between Kreis & Butler of wich I'm not going to explain neither here or now, But like I said Butler was senile his last few years, Butler said & did alot of crazy stuff right before he died, that's why he gave his predocesors control (before he got senile) hell it was reported butler tried giving the Aryan Nations to some Gas Station attendant he thought was nice one day. Butler handed over his throne years before his death & his website as rewarded by the courts when sued, the new website was/is www.aryan-nations.org look it up, twelvearyannations was butlers personal site "Not the Aryan Nations Web Site".

Jonathan Williams was never even a member muchless the leader of the Aryan Nations............

The only stuff that anyones ever read about williams were the ones Williams wrote himself "after butler died" Williams is not & never even was a meber of the Aryan Nations...

'Like I said' Call the FBI, call anyone who ain't been tampered by Williams if you don't beleive me,, Don't listen to what this 20 year old & handfull of followers say, Williams never even met butler muchless Redfeirin, Juba or the Aryan Nations current leader Kreis...........

U.S.A.A.F.
Changed U.S.A.F. reference to read U.S.A.A.F. During WW2 the future U.S.A.F. was a branch within the army called the United States Army Air Force. The U.S.A.F. wasn't created until 1947. Anynobody 07:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Worthless member of society
In spite of his service to the United States,by becoming a member of the Aryan Nations renders him a traitor to the American people. As a WWII fighter pilot he fought against Germany. He was also an inventor.But unfortunately his attitude and association with the Aryan Nations rendered himself a Worthless member of society. He advocated and he supported violence. A news reporter once said (upon learning of Butler's death) says; "There is a little good in everyone". It is those hate groups (all of them) are ruining our American society.68.59.149.195 (talk) 15:16, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

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FOOTNOTE 3 - REGARDING BUTLER AND SILVER SHIRTS
The reference provided to establish that Butler had been a member of William Pelley's Silver Shirts is an article which DOES NOT include ANY substantiation for that assertion. Significantly, most standard references regarding Butler DO NOT make that claim -- so what is it based upon? Ernie1241 (talk) 23:39, 17 February 2021 (UTC)ernie1241Ernie1241 (talk) 23:39, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The article says, in the third paragraph from the bottom: "And former Silver Shirt Richard Butler, now 85, has spent the last 30 years leading the Aryan Nations, until recently the country’s most prominent neo-Nazi organization." Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:48, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

"Supremacist"
is misleading as a descriptive term. Any source using this can't be 'reputable' at the same time. 105.0.4.13 (talk) 18:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)