Talk:Richard Challoner School

Tom Holland, other issues
Tom Holland's attendance at this school may possibly be the most edited topic in the article. I can at least anecdotally confirm he went there, and so did (does) his younger brother Paddy.

The issue with writing him down as a notable pupil is that barely any, let alone totally RS-compliant sources exist, partially due to him being a child and not being notable yet.

The ideal option would be student logs (registers, documents, pictures of them in uniform, etc.) however these will be difficult to find especially due to potential privacy concerns. I have added him back, with this source Blog Post. This not a truly WP:RS source, however the source itself is Dominic Holland, his brother. I believe that this is good enough because of how closely related he is to Tom himself to cite.

Some editors I have talked with think this is not notable enough, or that even the notable pupils section at all should be removed, but this is more or less the only reason this page should even exist in the first place; the school itself is locally notable (and has some reasonably major achievements in sports and music, AFAIK), but the only truly notable thing about it is a section of certain past pupils which achieved notability after they left. The issue is also that if anything, while not significant for Tom Holland, his attendance at the school (1-3Y) is by far the most significant thing to have happened for the school.

Other issues: why do we need info about musicals? Yes, we do them, and they're popular locally, but is this really notable enough information for Wikipedia? Sure, it's sourced, but it lacks any real meaning other than "we do this". Keep in mind I'm 85% certain the actual RC faculty have made edits to this page in the past, because previous edits have read like an advertisement.

Also: I have added a citation for Oswald Jones having founded the school, as he was the only headmaster to be missing a citation. Following this, I added the deaths of the two (now deceased) first headmasters; whether this is notable enough is up to other editors to decide, but I personally think it's worth mentioning when the headmasters (especially the first - he wrote a book about founding the school) died, and if they are indeed, alive. Each headmaster changed the school quite drastically in how it functioned (anecdotal;unsourced), so this is worth mentioning.

Please feel free to discuss the potential issues within this article in response to this. I do not mind edits I made being reversed, but I believe that the only notable things about RC are currently unsourced (or at least, were, albeit they are not very reliably sourced ATM for Tom Holland), and that there is a lot of filler information here that isn't really relevant. The headmasters deserve to be written down (as all have been publicized in media coverage), and Tom Holland is by far the most notable pupil (special mention: Ben Hawkey?) to have attended. Having this information missing but talking about the "arts" in the school by comparison has no relevance.

ToffeeQueen (talk) 17:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC)