Talk:Richard Grenell

using GREL RSs when available
Moved from my talk page:

You questioned the reliability of the sources saying as such; however, the CNN source you quote indicate the same as the sources whose reliability you question: "sources said he planned to join the Trump campaign as a surrogate once a nominee was confirmed by the Senate", meaning as a campaign surrogate he would not be ambassador to Germany or envoy to Kosovo any longer.. Axios/Politico ( https://www.axios.com/trump-nominates-rep-john-ratcliffe-for-intelligence-chief-3dd01d84-8114-4df0-aa89-86a18dc0e4c3.html ) have contradictory stories as it appears Grenell may already be out of his job as Amb to Germany (*former amb to Germany*), which is a bit unusual but not super noteworthy either way. Consensus is Grenell leaves the admin once Ratcliffe's confirmed. As such, I have removed the RS template. 100.2.48.168 (talk) 23:32, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you had read my ES, you would know it wasn't the content, it was the source. Odd that IP editor who, recordly started editing 17:29, 2 May 2020, with a grand total of six edits before leaving this edit here, would presume a WP:NOCON source would be better than the wp:GREL they mentioned ... I have reverted and left ES pointer. X1\ (talk) 04:13, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Try to assume good faith.. HuffPost is owned by Verizon Media. If anything DCexaminer's pro Trump, so a Grenell defender such as yourself would most likely be happy it be used. Reliability section says it's unclear how reliable these sources are but in this case they are backed up by the Nytimes. Also, the CNN article you posted indicated Grenell would leave Trump admin to join Trump campaign. Powerrranger (talk) 22:50, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

The above relates to my edit. X1\ (talk) 00:49, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems widely clear Grenell's admin position ends when a new DNI's confirmed. Unclear why HuffPost and Dcexaminer are considered unreliable in bolstering this fact's sources as printed at cnn and nytimes. Powerrranger (talk) 22:22, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Per WP:RSPSOURCES:
 * Huffington Post is WP:NOCON and HuffPost are generally unreliable, i.e. WP:QUESTIONABLE Argentina - NO symbol.svg
 * Washington Examiner is WP:NOCON Achtung-orange.svg
 * ...; while,
 * The New York Times is wp:GREL Yes Check Circle.svg
 * CNN is also wp:GREL Yes Check Circle.svg
 * Per the title of this thread use GREL RSs when available.  X1\ (talk) 01:35, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Flynn & Trump's DoJ, add?
See Michael Flynn.
 * Martha Raddatz, Any Obama officials involved in Flynn 'unmasking' declassified: Source; Grenell visited the Justice Department last week over the matter. abcnews.go.com May 11, 2020

X1\ (talk) 08:44, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Update: Flynn's name was never 'masked' in FBI report on phone call with Russian; Republicans have questioned why Michael Flynn's name was "unmasked," or revealed in an FBI report, but it turns out it was never masked in the first place. May 21, 2020

X1\ (talk) 07:16, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Per the above, I removed the sentence below, as it appears out-of-date &/or in error: "On May 12, 2020, Grenell declassified the names of Obama administration officials who unmasked Michael Flynn, and on May 19, 2020, Grenell declassified an email that Obama's national security advisor Susan Rice sent to herself." X1\ (talk) 07:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Should "He is considered a staunch Trump loyalist" be in the lead?
The statement "He is considered a staunch Trump loyalist" has been added and deleted from the lead (and recently re-added). It seems that there is disagreement over this. In an effort to find consensus, I've opened this section for discussion. Thanks Ism schism (talk) 01:11, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The primary reason for Grenell's public prominence was his appointment as DNI, a major role for which few were quick to say he was qualified, amid reports and concerns that Trump was installing loyalists to critical positions in the government. Hence that loyalism is a defining characteristic worthy of the lead. soibangla (talk) 01:20, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , please note you just removed it from the article entirely, not just from the lead. Maybe keep it there until this is resolved. soibangla (talk) 01:37, 15 October 2020 (UTC)


 * RS overwhelmingly explicitly refer to him as a "Trump loyalist" (just google Grenell along with "Trump loyalist"). RS link him being a Trump loyalist to his ascent in the administration and to the actions he has taken while in the administration. It is clearly a very important part for this bio, and it should be re-added ASAP. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:56, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * @Thenightaway@Soibangla  Doug Weller  talk 11:38, 30 March 2024 (UTC)