Talk:Richard Hakluyt

Nice work
What a wonderful piece of work this article is. Congrats to all who worked on it. Regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 09:56, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you! :-) — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 10:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

It would be interesting to understand, properly, the etymology of the name Hakluyt. Interestingly, Kluit means "Dutch", and the "Ha" in front is a Hebrew construct, meaning "The"....thus the name "Hakluyt" simply means, "The Dutchman".... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.82.238.137 (talk) 20:00, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

External Link Suggestion
There is a recent hour-long lecture on Richard Hakluyt available online, by Dr Anthony Payne: http://www.gresham.ac.uk/event.asp?PageId=45&EventId=825  Because of the depth, research and quality of the lecture, I'm sure it would be an appropriate link. (I only don't put it up myself as there is a possible conflict-of-interest as I am connected with Gresham College, where the lecture was given). Jamesfranklingresham (talk) 10:57, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I had a quick look at the text of the lecture. It is certainly relevant; in fact, rather than simply being listed as an external link, it contains information that deserves to be incorporated into the main body of the article. I'm a little busy at the moment, so do help if you would like to. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 13:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

"Writer" vs. "author"
Nice work. Just one small thing: he's described as a "writer", which sort of jars with my ear - I'd expect the word to be "author". But this is a very small thing. 203.129.61.66 (talk) 00:46, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Pic of Bristol
The facade of Bristol cathedral, the whole west end in fact, dates from the late 19th century and has very little relevance, particularly as the caption had a date for the photo (2005) but n date for the structure which is much more relevant, as Hakluyt never saw that part of the building. I replaced it with a picture of the Norman Chapter House, which was very much in existence at the time of Hakluyt, and is where he would have been expected to attend meetings, in his role on the cathedral chapter.

I also changed the wording from prebendal stall which links to a seat in the choir, to prebendary which links to the role. The word "stall" is presumably used in the original text in the way "chair" is used to describe a role in a university.

Amandajm (talk) 03:01, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * No issue with the picture. I think contemporary images, where available, are most apt. However, the Divers Voyages source states, at page xiii: "In the month of May 1585, during his residence at Paris with the British embassy, the reversion of the next prebendal stall that should become vacant was secured to him by the queen's mandate; and in the same, or the following year, he, by virtue of this grant, took possession of the first stall in the cathedral of Bristol, which at that time became vacant by the death of Dr. John Gough." Thus, the reference to prebendal stall may be more accurate than prebendary. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 11:30, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Having a seat to sit on in the cathedral is not the issue. See "prebendal stall" in the same light as "ascending the throne".  A throne is a seat of honour; so is a prebendal stall.  In both cases, the "seat" carries implications much greater than just a place to put ones bottom.
 * One wording is not more accurate than the other. It is simply that the word prebendary is more easily understood than the more antiquated and unfamiliar way of describing it, and has the advantage of being linked in wikipedia.  Prebendal stall is also linked, but doesn't indicate the honour that was entailed in having one, as the Queen's "gift".  (The word "gift" here has a quite specific meaning, to do with the allocation of a role within the church.)
 * Re the picture, I agree that contemporary images are often preferable. I would rather have a modern photograph that showed some aspect of the cathedral that related to Hakluyt, but none is available, and the 19th century western rebuilding of half the church has very little relevance. The most preferred option would be a view that was contemporary with Hakluyt himself.
 * Amandajm (talk) 05:49, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

"Forest of Cluyd in Radnorshire"
Is "Cluyd" an Anglicized spelling of Clwyd? Pronunciation is identical. Then, is Radnorshire in the source? Could this be re-edited as a direct quote? Its footnote link is garbled.--Wetman (talk) 14:39, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Additionally I note that this is the only instance of the spelling "Cluyd" in the whole of Wikipedia, and searching on Google only seems to turn up mirrors of this page. (I suspect that this Cluyd Forest is distinct from the region of Clwyd, named after the river Clwyd—it's a not uncommon Celtic river name, look at the Clyde in Scotland—and being as it's attributed to a 16th-century source its name has probably changed, if it still exists at all.) I think a direct quote, if it can be found, is the best way forward. 86.21.250.191 (talk) 17:45, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Here is an archived link to the source, which I have inserted into the article. It refers to Leland, which I suspect is John Leland's The Itinerary of John Leland. A number of versions of this are available at Archive.org, but I haven't been able to track down the exact quotation yet. Please help if you wish to. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 10:26, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I found the reference and inserted it into the article. Leland spells it Cluid. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 10:04, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

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FA concerns
I'm reviewing this older featured article as part of WP:URFA/2020, an effort to restore older featured articles to the modern FA standards. I find it a bit concerning that chunks of this article are pulled directly from the 1911 Britannica (not a copyright concern as the source is in the public domain, but copying from PD works would mostly likely register opposes at FAC today). Statements like "here does not appear to be any monument to Hakluyt either in Christ Church Cathedral, Oxford, or elsewhere in the grounds of Christ Church, Oxford." raise original research concerns, and using personal communication as sourcing would not pass a FAC source review in 2023. Since this article was promoted in 2007, the FA sourcing standards have greatly tightened; there is now an expectation that the sourcing used be it is a thorough and representative survey of the relevant literature; that does not seem to be the case here.

Modern academic sources that likely warrant consultation:
 * "WAS RICHARD HAKLUYT A NEGATIVE INFLUENCE IN THE COLONIZATION OF VIRGINIA?", North Carolina Historical Review, 1971
 * "Piety, Patriotism, and Empire: Lessons for England, Spain, and the New World in the Works of Richard Hakluyt." Renaissance Quarterly, 2009
 * "RICHARD HAKLUYT AND THE EARL OF ESSEX: THE CENSORSHIP OF THE VOYAGE TO CADIZ IN THE PRINCIPAL NAVIGATIONS." Publishing History, 2012
 * "Captaining Men's Souls: Richard Hakluyt's Ministerial Works", Journal of the Society for Renaissance Studies, 2023
 * "Richard Hakluyt and Travel Writing in Early Modern Europe." English Historical Review, 2015
 * "The Explorer or the Pilgrim? Modern Critical Opinion and the Editorial Methods of Richard Hakluyt and Samuel Purchas" Studies in Philology, 1997

And many such others. Hakluyt looks to have been very heavily studied in the last 40 years. Hog Farm Talk 22:40, 28 July 2023 (UTC)