Talk:Richard Sipe

Unsourced quote
There was an alleged quote from Sipe about bishops lying. It is unsourced and obviously pov. I have removed it.97.114.176.23 (talk) 20:17, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Citation 13 is wrong. Reverend Doyle said this in an article written by author of book. Just click on the link provided by Wikipedia and you will see this is so.
Can someone please correct this? We clicked on the link and the author Susan Donaldson never said this. Just click on the link provided and you will see this is true.

Apparently someone fix this inaccuracy in 2010 but it is back now. This statement to devalues Sipe's work and is completely inaccurate. 108.6.10.97 (talk) 07:52, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Quotefarm
The article contained a lenghty quote. As WP is not a quotefarm I move the entire section here. Str1977 (talk) 01:22, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Sipe has said, "There are a pope or two who have resigned, several hundred have been murdered, but it's a very stable organization from the top down. What other monarchy do you know that's lasted for 2,000 years?" Contrary to Sipe's calculations, out of 266 popes only seven have been murdered, excluding 28 martyred in the church's early days. According to Sipe, "the most valuable development since 2000 has been the open exposure of the misbehavior of priests and religious. This has been one element that alerts not just Catholics but members of other religious groups to the potential sexual dangers posed by men and women in positions of power over young people. The church has contributed to the education about child abuse and the need for prevention of abuse and to provide education for protection for all children and the vulnerable. Unfortunately the efforts of the Catholic Church have been forced on them by the public outcry, victims’ testimony, and the legal system that calls bishops and religious superiors to account for their gross neglect, conspiracies to conceal crimes, and fraud to keep abuse secret. It is an ongoing fight to keep the church honest. Catholic laymen and women (Governor Frank Keating and Chief Justice Anne Burke) who have worked closely with church officials say that the bishops do not want to change, but only want 'business as usual.' The encouraging thing is that people do not accept the word of bishops as true, necessary or important anymore. Over thirty percent of men and women brought up as Catholic no longer identify themselves as Catholic."

Sources to be Incorporated
Adding these here for either myself or others to integrate into the article https://www.ncronline.org/news/richard-sipe-pattern-deceit-celibate-culture-was-his-wittenberg

http://www.awrsipe.com/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/09/nyregion/aw-richard-sipe-a-leading-voice-on-clergy-sex-abuse-dies-at-85.html

Maximilian775 (talk) Maximilian775 (talk) 18:19, 4 August 2023 (UTC)