Talk:Richey Edwards/Archive 1

Rimbaud
The information about Rimbaud in this article contradicts the Rimbaud article. Hu 16:53, 2004 Dec 3 (UTC)

there is an article linking him to the darkness's bass player, might be worth mentioning?
 * In my opionion, no. See Talk:Richie Edwards for details. Stu 12:06, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Silly Fact? Shouldn't this be in trivia or something? --OGoncho 08:04, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This exact same article is on answers.com. Except without the flattering picture.


 * That's because all of Wikipedia is released under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL). That means anyone can repost our articles, so long as they cite the original authors (usually done by linking back to the Wikipedia article being mirrored). In fact, Answers.com is one of the better Wikipedia mirrors. - 211.28.186.131 09:41, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Sad
Sad that Richey disappeared. I wonder what happens to his royalties. If he isn't officially dead, he can't have an estate. Legally I guess they have to keep the money for him somewhere. They can;t just give it to his family without formalities. He might return and throw a fit about it otherwise. Pliny 17:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * You can indeed have an estate whilst you're alive - it's simply everything you own at any given time. It doesn't become an estate on death: the confusion probably just comes from the fact that it's only mentioned when the time comes to divide it up. Also, on the point regarding the band having an account for him, it's likely that the money's simply deposited into his usual account, since it will probably still be open if he has yet to be declared dead. -Scott-


 * I read somewhere recently that the band have an account or something where all his songwriting royalties are collected in case he comes back. If that isn't friendship I don't know what is! --TLIP 18:31, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * But that means his family go without. Odd they have never sought a declaration of death (possible after 7 years of someone's seeming to be dead). But perhaps there are technicalities. Pliny 21:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Well he comes from humble working class beginnings, so I don't think his family are the greedy type, but I don't know the specifics of it all. And they haven't sought a declaration of death because they still hope and believe he's alive. --TLIP 01:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


 * surely a declaration won't kill him. And if he's alive, serves him right for putting them though it all and being silly. Pliny 09:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Reverted because of speculation (what's been removed in bold): Richey James Edwards (born 1967- 1995 ) was a member of the Welsh rock band Manic Street Preachers, who has been missing since 1995 but not legally declared dead, despite the fact he clearly is. I Don't really see how the two latest edits improved the article. If anyone disputes what i've done, please talk about it here, before changing it back. --Redmachine432 07:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Quotes
Why have the quotes been removed? Mr Wire has a quote section, even tom chaplin of keane had one, so why have these nice little excerts of speech been removed?

Wikiquote is the quotation reference book of the wikimedia foundation, so they were transwikied there. I hadn't got around to the Nicky Wire page, apologies. Hiding Talk 17:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

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Is or was?
Should it say Richey James Edwards is or was? So long as he isn't legally dead shouldn't it be left as is? Or maybe something else I haven't thought of. I know it's just one word but it makes a difference. FreemDeem (talk) 01:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've tried to address this as best I can, tweaking so that we state he is a former co-lyricist rather than was a co-lyricist. I also tweaked other instances in the text. Hiding T 15:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Legally Dead?
The Ongoing History of New Music episode from http://www.edge.ca/station/ongoing_history_of_new_music.cfm?recID=161&ell=8943&pge=1# and look for the episode listed as "The 100 Greatest New Rock Moments Ever - Part 2" mentions him as having been declared legally dead. Is that to say that the article is accurate, or is this more accurate? ChristopherBorcsok 04:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Legally, he's still alive. They must be assuming that he was declared dead on the 7th anniversary of his little dissapearing act, which isn't the case.Unreadablecharacters 20:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * In the The Ongoing History of New Music episode "Seven Great Mysteries of Modern Rock" (originally aired October 27, 2002) Alan Cross says very explicitly that on February 1, 2002, Richey James Edwards was declared legally dead. This is vetted by Rolling Stone Magazine and Economic Expert. However the band has set aside Richey's quarter of the royalties should he ever resurface. --Waterspyder 21:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Probably a tad late to be posting this now, but an NME clipping of mine from 2002 says otherwise. I'll post a photo for citation purposes, if needs be. 17:22, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Going in with this, someone needs to make up their mind on how they want to represent this in the article, as the mention of the courts declaring him dead conflict with later mention in the article, particularly this - "While his family had the option of declaring him legally dead from 2002, they have chosen not to, and his status remains open as a missing person." It'd be helpful to those (not unlike myself) who were reading this for the first time. --71.156.91.87 20:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Just a comment, but declared legally dead by the British Court makes no sense - there's no such thing as British Court. Laws are English, Scottish etc. not British. JediLofty 13:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That's not true. The UK Parliament is the supreme (sovereign) law-making body in Britain, and it's Acts apply to all of Britain - England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - unless otherwise stipulated in any given specific law that's passed.  Some legislative power is devolved to the Scottish Parliament, National Assembly for Wales and Northern Ireland Assembly, in varying degrees.   The Crown Court is responsible for the judicial process in England and Wales, so with RJE being a resident of Wales who disappeared in Wales, his case would fall under the remit of the courts for England and Wales.  However I think under British Law the final decision as to whether or not to declare a missing person legally dead lies with the missing person's next of kin, and as I understand it Edwards' family have not agreed to declare Edwards legally dead.  213.121.151.174 (talk) 21:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, that's wrong too. For someone to be declared dead when there is no body a person from the family (or sometimes the police) will apply to a Coroner to hold an inquest. Under Section 15 of the Coroners Act 1988, the Coroner will apply to the Secretary of State (it was then the Home Secretary and is now the Justice Secretary) for permission to hold an inquest without a body. After the inquest the Coroner may issue a death certificate and the person is then legally dead.
 * The provision for waiting seven years applies only to making an application to the High Court for settlement of the estate. One provision for settlement of the estate is that the person is legally dead, therefore there has to be an inquest first. The fact that Laws are passed in Parliament is irrelevant to the discussion, the person is declared legally dead in an English (or in this case probably a Welsh) Coroners Court on issue of the death certificate.Cottonshirt (talk) 14:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

27 Club ?
He was 27 when he went missing, and could be a possible addition to that? Thoughts?--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 10:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, this is well cited. Expand it a bit more and it'll be a GA. I don't have access to the books related to this, but good work has been done so far.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 12:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Now that he's been declared legally dead, I think he should be included on that list.WACGuy (talk) 16:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Severn Bridge
The article refers to the bridge as "a renowned suicide location" with a reference to a newspaper article calling it the same. This is surely over-hyping by the press rather than verifiable factual information. No doubt, being a bridge will make it a potential suicide spot, but is there any verifiable evidence that there have been a large number of suicides here? The Clifton Bridge is listed on wikipedia as one of the most well known suicide locations, but not the Severn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.131.127 (talk) 20:06, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Royalties
I can't source the claim that 25% of royalties are paid into an account for Richey. The Telegraph wrote in 2008 that "His songwriting royalties continued to be paid into a bank account which has remained untouched." but that is something completely different. Legally Richey's royalties would have to be paid to his account, and since he has been declared "presumed dead" they would go somewhere based on processes established and formalised in that declaration. I don't think this is something we need to note, since you would not expect an article on Presley to note that his royalties have continued to be paid after his death. If there is a source which does make the claim that the band put away 25% of their royalties for Richey, then please add it to the article. Hiding T 21:15, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Lead
Inline citations in the lead do not comply with the Manual of Style. I am far too apathetic to fix it. LiteralKa (talk) 00:55, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Piano
Where did you get, that piano was also his instrument? I thought, he was only know for performing (or in most cases miming) the guitar. If he did the same with piano, or if he really performed it, I think, there should be a source for this information, because I don't believe it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.98.107.199 (talk) 17:59, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

The Priory
There is a link to The Priory psychiatric hospital which redirects to a page about Woodside Priory School. There doesn't appear to be a page about the hospital yet, so perhaps this link could be removed for now. Melissza (talk) 13:30, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Now disambiguated but I am not sue about the "psychiatric hospital" description --Racklever (talk) 13:08, 6 May 2012 (UTC)