Talk:Rick Wakeman/Archive 1

Clarification of discography
May I suggest that someone with more knowledge of Rick's discography than myself separate out the compilations from the primary albums in the "solo" list (i.e. in the same way that someone has done with his collaborative albums)? Thanks. Weydonian (talk) 10:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

"The Curry Incident"
In the Yes group bio book Close To The Edge, Wakeman tells the story a bit differently; I changed the recount here to match.

Rick's Photo
That photograph is really unfortunate.


 * Oh, bother. The picture has a Hammond B3 in it! It's anything BUT unfortunate. Firenexx 01:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I think it's bad ass. --Drowse 00:40, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

No photo of Rick Wakeman is unfortunate, none - never! loyalone 04:01, 19 December 2005

Somebody replaced the photo for no apparent reason. Horrors! I liked the previous one much better. In fact, the newer one wasn't photographed well at all, and it's just his face. As in many other musician articles, Jimmy Page for instance, I feel it would be most appropriate to have a musician's photo of him playing his instrument. I put the other one back in in place of one of the album ones. If no one opposes or suggests otherwise, in a few days (or when I get around to it) I'll replace the new one because it's really not a great photograph at all, especially not for a musician's article.firenexx 01:54, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Please. Stop. Doing. That. We don't need an edit war going on here. If you feel the need to keep switching the image to that blotched wide one with his face, at least provide some rationale, that's what the discussion page is for. Don't just keep changing it back. There's a fair use comment tag for the cape image, that was the original one, and I even put that new one to the right of the discography. If you have a good reason for changing it, please say so. firenexx 21:05, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Guys, please, could we not use both, at different parts of the article. Both photo (assuming copyrights are ok) are good photos and bother do and say different things about the man, one in action and from an older period, one more personal and of an up to date timescale. :: Kevinalewis : please contact me on my Talk Page : 09:43, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * That's what I did, only somebody deleted it again and put the other one back on the top. firenexx 22:12, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

"New Age"

 * In regards to the person who edited, noting "New Age Spam!," although that might have been a little overreaction since I'm sure the person who originally put that category didn't intend it as spam; I do agree that Rick Wakeman is far from considered as a New Age keyboardist/pianist. firenexx 02:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

"Most influential"
"is considered by many to be the most influential keyboardist of all time" - come off it! Wakeman is at best average. In his TV performances on programmes like "Have I Got News for You" and "Never Mind the Buzzcocks" (both on the BBC) he even takes the mickey out of his _own_ performances. Wakeman was a prog-rock posuer and joker but he was never all that good. I suggest we modify this to "is considered by many to be the most over the top keyboardist of the progressive era" -what do you think? MarkThomas 09:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's certainly been edited now. It says something like: "many believe he was actually a keyboardist." Not my doing, by the way.

--FrasierC 12:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

=="Who thinks that every new and old keybordist don't think in Wakeman as somebody "Influential"???.... Let's face it... he really is one of the best

Wakeman's Heart Attacks
Just one question... Where are the sources for Wakeman's several heart attacks occuring in the 70's? (And how can someone survive several heart attacks? How much is 'several' in this case?) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.177.43.44 (talk) 18:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC). 129.177.43.44 18:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I remember Rick Wakeman's heart attacks well - I read about them in the papers at the time (possible Melody Maker?). Anyway, I checked at the BBC (generally reliable) and he had 3 heart attacks by the time he was 26, also see interview, refs here:


 * http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3580451.stm


 * http://www.geocities.com/drummerinterviews/rickwakeman.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.242.158 (talk) 13:53, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Clive Dunn's Follow Up Single
"There's no one quite like Grandma" was a UK hit for the St Winifred's School Choir and not a follow up to Clive Dunn's hit "Grandad".

The undoing of Wakeman

Also, Wakeman appeared as a contestant on "The Weakest Link". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.221.51 (talk) 17:27, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== Undid version that excludes references to Wakeman's influences - why objections to that? And don't say it's because it doesn't have references, references can be attached later to verify. Emerson, because he was famous for lead rock organ before Wakeman, and Wakeman took much from him; Ritchie because he was the first lead rock organist, and the model for both of them. But my guess is other person doesn't want ANY reference to ANY influence on Wakeman. This can go on indefinitely, but mainly deleting to make the point and see if consensus can be reached rather than edit war.

INFLUENCES
Ridiculous to have nothing here about Keith Emerson or Billy Ritchie. Rick would never have had the platform to operate on were it not for these two guys.DaveEx 22:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Comedy
Is it worth mentioning in the opening paragraph that Rick is a "musician and stand up comedian" as opposed to just a "musician". Some readers may be more likely to remember him on Grumpy Old Men, compering at UK comedy club Jongleurs or appearing in a humourous guise on Never Mind The Buzzcocks, rather than any of his musical output. --Ritchie333 (talk) 14:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd have thought television personality would be more appropriate. I'd class him more of an anecdotalist than a comedian.  Booglamay (  talk  ) - 14:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

It MAY be more appropriate to describe Rick as a Raconteur (or however you spell it). I recall Rick being interviewed on a BBC TV channel in the late 1990s. He was attired in the dress uniform of a Russian KGB officer that he acquired from God knows where, whilst regaling the interviewer with a string of hilarious stories related to his touring. I certainly would NOT describe him as a stand-up comedian! Taff Hewitt (talk) 21:30, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Vegetarian
It is believed that at one time, all of the members of Yes were vegetarians. Wakeman was supposed to be the only exception, but that has changed. I happened to see Steve Howe at a private guitar clinic at the Philadelphia School Of Rock. He lamented that some of the other guys no longer followed the vegetarian life style. Also, while on tour with Jon Anderson and The School Of Rock All-Stars, I witnessed Jon Anderson eat a Turkey Wrap From Roy Rogers Restaurant.

Robert G. Bobo, Jr. /  Wilmington, DE  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.237.10 (talk) 21:56, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Vegetarianism should be past tense. Jon Anderson Wikipedia article also quotes Anderson as saying he is no longer a vegetarian. --Edmundosargento (talk) 20:42, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Quality
This article was assessed as B class by User:Mahanga using a now deprecated script User_talk:Outriggr/metadatatest.js which has now been deleted. As the article contaions few if any reliable verifiable sources or citations for most of teh content, I have re-rated it as start class. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Jared Jackson: no collaboration.
I was tempted to title this section "No Earthly Connection" :)

Some of you may have noticed that Rick was 'credited' with collaborating with Jared Jackson, both here and on Jared_Jackson. The Jackson page has been Speedily Deleted as likely to be a hoax; I had mail from Jackson this morning that confirmed the hoax, which was probably perpetrated by students from the college at which he works. To quote from his mail: "Sadly, I have no association with Rick Wakeman." So should that association should turn up again here, please feel free to delete! Kay Dekker (talk) 11:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Wakeman on Wikipedia
See [here http://www.classicrockrevisited.com/interviewrickwakeman.htm] where Wakeman discusses Wikipedia and, I think, this article. Bondegezou (talk) 10:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * He's at it again: see http://www.rwcc.com/gorr.asp, his November 2010 Grumpy Old Rick's Ramblings, although it will only be there for a month. For posterity, I quote here: "Time and time again I’ve said to people not to believe anything they read about me or my activities on any other site other than the official RWCC. It’s well known I loathe Wikipedia (I have given up correcting it as complete nutcases just change it back to a pack of inaccurate rubbish within minutes). I actually tell journalists not to go anywhere near Wikipedia, but many of them still do." Bondegezou (talk) 20:49, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Wakeman on Wikipedia - just a suggestion?
I've now seen Rick's comments on rwcc.com. If Rick reads this, could I suggest he comments here on the Talk page to say what parts of the content he objects to, since content on this page is not edited out of existence when it is changed as that on the main article is?

P.S. I have to admit I'm a fan, at least of the solo and Yes albums he played on in the 70's. I think he's a great player.

Meltingpot (talk) 14:04, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Classical training
I changed "Originally a classically trained pianist" to "had classical piano training" since he never was a professional classical pianist, which the old way of putting it implies. 81.234.19.235 (talk) 13:18, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Something is wrong with some of the sources.
More specifically, there are formatting problems with sources one, seven, and eight. I tried fixing source one, but I don't know. The other two are probably of an identical scenario. If someone can fix it, then thank you in advance. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 00:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Warhorse connection
The booklet to the CD issue of the debut album from Warhorse (Nick Simper's attempt at a career post Deep Purple) and the Warhorse (British Band) article on here both mention Rick as having been a member of that band until (according to the booklet) the stage that the "other members", fed up with his non-appearance at rehearsals, sacked him.

Rick's later recruitments of Ashley Holt and Barney James away from Warhorse is held by the writer of the booklet to be responsible, at least in part, for the band's demise.

I think these incidents significant enough to include in this Rick Wakeman article but it might be fairer to hear it being told from the other point of view. I've not come across any utterances from RW on this matter and, as there is the teeniest suggestion of the second action having been motivated by the first, I rather think it necessary to improve on the theory, as written in Dan Wooding's 1978 book, that they, along with Roger Newell, were all "old pub pals". 213.22.254.42 (talk) 16:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC) Tom
 * I put it in the associated acts section. You can go ahead and put the information you supplied on there, as long as the CD is sourced. I find it notable enough for this article; thank you. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 23:30, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

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