Talk:Ricketts Glen State Park/Archive 1

Pictures
I was thinking of using pictures of a wedding cake waterfall (the RGSP Geology Guide uses FL Ricketts as an example, and this is Huntley Mounhtain Formation, which would be a bonus). For a bridal veil waterfall it uses Harrison Wright as the example, and the current lead image File:Rglenn05.jpg does show the layes of Catskill Formation rock nicely. Then the first image would be Pocono Formation and Midway Crevasse, the next two would be two main waterfall types and next two rock formations. I think there will be room for the plunge pool too, as the fourth image. What do you think? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:07, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Another question - since the 24 waterfall composite will be in this article, so we want to try and avoid duplicating the images in that? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:19, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I hadn't thought one bit about the pics until now. I will have to look and see what I see, but I am sure your ideas will be fine. I really like the Midway Crevasse picture. That's pretty interesting. Dincher (talk) 23:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I will try something along the lines of what I suggested above as I work to finish the Geology section. I think I would like different pix than the composite uses, if possible. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:34, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think Geology is done. I did not have room for the plunge pool image though. I tried to add some things not in the Waterfalls geology (other two rock formations, Grand View) but also had less detail on the glaciers and erosion. Does it seem OK? Are the images OK? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:24, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

The pictures and the geology section look pretty good. I think we should include the video of the falls or perhaps someone could take a better video of the falls. ;) Dincher (talk) 17:31, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, agree that the video would be good to use in this article too. I might work on History next. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:10, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Organization
If we follow the model of Black Mo for discussing the Glens Natural Area, it would be a subsection of the Ecology section and essentially where we talk about trees and other plants (Flora). I suppose it could also be the place to describe more about the waterfalls. Does this sound OK? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:16, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea to me. I will look at the pictures now. Dincher (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I found some dates about the comings and goings of the "National Park" and have included them in the history section. Dincher (talk) 20:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks - those are great finds! I emailed you some PDFs of New York Times articles on the park - one is about the National Park (1935) and the other is about it becoming a state park (1941) plus a few more. I was going to add the development of the turnpike (PA 487) and the two squatters at Lakes Rose and Leigh from Petrillo's book to the Early inhabitants section of History. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:15, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

FAC refs
This is a place to stash refs for use towards expansion to get the article ready for FAC. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:11, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Geologists convention here in 2006.
 * Important Bird Area
 * Trail of Geology Guide
 * Army National Guard drops poles into gorge (also park named IBA Dec 1996) 1997
 * Helicopter lumbering after Hurricane Floyd Nov 2000
 * Practice icy trails rescues 1997
 * Director earns award EMT rescue 2000
 * Four year project to upgrade Falls Trail begins 1998
 * Floyd downs thousands of trees, closes park 1999
 * Park Spotlight 2008
 * One of first 10 in PCN shows 2007
 * Made $7 million helicopter logging 2002
 * season of ice climbing allowed, Ganoga side only 1998
 * No lifeguard swimming tried 1998
 * New visitor center 2002
 * Fall Foliage at Grand View tower 1999
 * $1.7 Million new office / visitor center 2001
 * Class A Wild Trout Stream 2008
 * Guide to Trees SHrubs Vines in park
 * College Misercordia environmental education 2010
 * Pittsburgh Press article says state paid $150,000 in 1941
 * state bill 611 to purchase Reading Eagle 4-15-1941
 * NY Times, 2004 (I have the shorter sidebar article and others from the NY Times too)
 * Colonel Robert Bruce Ricketts obituary New York Times, Nov 14, 1918
 * Central Penn. Lumber Co. worth 20 million June 3, 1903
 * Central Pennsylvania Lumber Company acquiring leather business? March 20, 1904
 * Masten Mill Closes shows extent of Cen. Penn. Lum. Co. Pittsburgh Press 1930
 * Logging in Ralston same as above Pittsburgh Press 1928
 * Business in Warren County P. Press 1928
 * Hikers at Ricketts Glen urged to use caution Williamsport Sun Gazette 2009 - good for trails section?
 * Yes. It's a third party article about the dangers of the trail and specifically mentions that there's ice in the glens after the ice in the surrounding area has melted. --Dincher (talk) 00:34, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


 * What to do if attacked by a black bear at RGSP (no really, 2008)
 * No lifeguards but also stats on Lake Jean usage 2008

Subscription only links
These are paid version links - I have the New York Times articles as a PDF Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 18:07, 8 April 2010 (UTC))


 * Plans Pennsylvania Park New York Times, March 30, 1935
 * Pennsylvania Adds to Its Large Catalogue Of Scenic and Historic Attractions New York Times, August 31, 1941
 * Pennsylvania Primps for the Tourist New York Times, May 9, 1954
 * On Pennsylvania's Scenic Susquehanna River New York Times, May 31, 1964
 * Deep in the Endless Mountains of Pennsylvania New York Times, July 23, 1967

Lumber era
I am debating whether or not to include a lumber era section for this article. I think it's fine without it, considering that we don't have much specifics about lumbering in the area like we did with Black Mo and the parks at Pine Creek Gorge. Dincher (talk) 22:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I reread the chapter on Ricketts in Ghost Towns of North Mountain by F. Charles Petrillo - it has a lot of detail on the town, but not much on what they cut when. (It does mention the Cherry Ridge section in the northern part of the park and logging railroads stretching south.) I want to check Ghost Lumber Towns of Central Pennsylvania: Laquin, Masten, Ricketts, Grays Run by Thomas Townsend Taber out of a library again and see what it has to say on Ricketts. I have also seen the rough area of uncut forest in the park itself somewhere, and Petrillo mentions no logging within half a mile of Ganoga Lake per Col. Ricketts' order, so we know the rest of the land was cut and could discuss that. So I think it could be a R. Bruce Ricketts and the lumber era section perhaps. Also want to mention the ice business and Ricketts hydroelectirc dams scheme. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I like your suggestion. I will restore the general info about lumber for now. Dincher (talk) 23:05, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

The Glens Natural Area is 2,845 acres and I do not think all of it is virgin forest. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:32, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Aha, there are 2000 acres of virgin hemlock forest at Ricketts Glen. This is about 15% of the park's 13.050 acres/ Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:40, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The Glens Natural Area section is, I am pretty sure, a section that neither one of us has worked on. Dincher (talk) 02:43, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't - if we follow the Black Mo model it would be part of the Ecology section. Or possibly its own section like the Pine Creek Gorge in Leonard Harrison and Colton Point. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Mammals

 * Bobcat at the top map
 * important mammals project
 * Dincher (talk) 19:24, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't access these at work. Dincher (talk) 23:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I can access them, thanks Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The Resource on first 44 IMAs March 2004
 * Marcia Bonta's book
 * June 2003 Backpacker Magazine
 * Great natural areas in eastern Pennsylvania By Stephen J. Ostrander
 * Audubon Susquehanna Birding Trail entry for the park