Talk:Ricki-Lee Coulter/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Shaidar cuebiyar (talk · contribs) 02:24, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Starting the review
I will be going through each of the criteria in order. I reserve the right to return to earlier comments/sections and revise/add to them until the review is finished. Unless otherwise indicated, maintain existing wikilinks and formatting. The review process should take about a week. I will allow an additional week for any requested changes to be made before making my decision.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:24, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Check toolbox. Some red-links exist.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:47, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

A good article is&mdash; 

Criterion 1
:
 * (a) ; and
 * (b).

More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:12, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox
 * 1) Re-add | alt                = ✅
 * 2) birth name? I'm sure I once put her middle name in here. Check APRA, ASCAP or other songwriting credits for her full name. Also fix it in the Lead.
 * 3) Both APRA and ASCAP list her name as Ricki-Lee Coulter. Oz   talk  23:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Try COULTER RICKI-LEE DAWN at ASCAP (use 'Writer' tab) vs COULTER RICKI-LEE. Try "Not Broken" at APRA. Try 2DAY FM's 'The Truth about Ricki-Lee' (not as reliable as the previous two).shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:37, 18 August 2012 (UTC) ✅
 * 5) Re-add
 * death_place        = ✅
 * 1) Avoid re-direct. ✅
 * |occupation = Singer-songwriter, dancer, radio and television presenter ✅
 * 1) years active? Lead says she began performing at age 15: so 2000 or 2001? but not 2004shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC) ✅

More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:33, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Lead
 * 1) Full name (and in infobox) ✅
 * 2) add, also known mononymously as Ricki-Lee, after brackets. She seems to release recorded material without use of her surname. ✅
 * 3) before leaving the group in early > before leaving in early ✅

I've removed it. Oz  talk  23:36, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Early life
 * 1) Not sure of time-line: Coulter's parents separated when her mother was pregnant, but Coulter is eldest of three children. Did her parents reconcile or are they half-siblings? She says she had a lonely childhood: no brothers or sisters when going to school (Is she much older? Or were they raised separately?)
 * 2) John is her step-father – she met him when she was nine and she calls him her dad. See here. Doesn't give biological father's name. ✅
 * 3) Is Sheerin, Loretta's married name? Is Coulter, Loretta's maiden name?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Not sure. Many sources list her name as Loretta Sheerin. Oz   talk  10:58, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) and she was raised by ✅
 * 6) Condense As a child, she attended Southport State Primary School.[7] During this time, Coulter experienced personal struggles due to a lonely childhood, in which she wanted the life her school friends had. e.g. She attended Southport State Primary School and experienced the personal struggles of a lonely childhood as she wanted a life similar to her school friends.[5][7] ✅
 * 7) Place relevant ref straight after any direct quotes. ✅
 * 8) Where two or three tabs are present order them numerically. ✅
 * 9) When was the knee injury? Was it just before the 15 year old was noted for singing?
 * 10) who overheard her singing in her bedroom > who overheard her Maybe combine with following sentence? ✅
 * 11) from singing, she also learned > from singing, she also learned
 * 12) Huh? Oz   talk  23:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 13) Check code: there's an extra space between 'she' and 'also' in original.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC) ✅
 * 14) She learned to play various instruments: Are any of these on her recordings or live performances? If so, put in infobox.
 * 15) Trim During high school, Coulter excelled in subjects that she enjoyed, including music and sport. e.g. During high school, Coulter excelled in music and sport. ✅
 * 16) Reword sentence that currently starts with She decided to focus on her and start with After completing high school, she decided to focus on her Can you give an indication of when? ✅
 * 17) Wasn't Random formed after Coulter had already departed Australian Idol? This is not clear in final sentence in this section.

More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:58, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 2003–04
 * 1) Second two sentences in the 1st ¶ here are on Australian Idol and are not directly related to Coulter. They should be deleted: interested readers can go to the article to find out this. ✅
 * 2) Condense and combine The following year, Coulter successfully auditioned for the first season of Popstars Live, a television show similar to Idol and based on the original Popstars series; the winner of which receives a recording contract with Universal Music.[9][13] She progressed through to the top sixty round of the competition but was part of the first group of performers who were sent home.[9] e.g. The following year, Coulter successfully auditioned for the first season of Popstars Live, and progressed to the top sixty round of the competition but was part of the first group of performers who were sent home.[9][13] ✅
 * 3) top twelve > top twelve i.e. add a hard space. ✅
 * 4) was regarded as a favourite ✅
 * 5) Tina Turner's "Proud Mary" I thought it was a Creedence Clearwater Revival original, although Turner has done various cover versions of it.
 * 6) I mentioned that she performed Turner's version of "Proud Mary". Oz   talk  23:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) For those who don't know, Judge Dickson's claim of it being a 'scandal' needs explanation: was there some actual legal impropriety in the competition or was this just hyperbole to get more people to vote? Furthermore his role as the TV series' judge should be specified to reduce misunderstanding. ✅
 * 8) bottom three or two > bottom three The 'or two' is redundant. ✅


 * 2005–07
 * 1) Although headed 'Recording career', didn't Coulter get recorded the year before, as part of Australian Idol final 12?
 * 2) I've changed it to 'Music career'. Oz   talk  00:02, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Adj the show's label Sony BMG, and signed with Australia's > the show's sponsor Sony BMG, but she signed with Australia's ✅
 * 4) Speaking of her decision to sign with Shock Records, Coulter said "I'd > Coulter explained, "I'd ✅
 * 5) Trim Her debut single "Hell No!" was released in June 2005, and served as the lead single from her self-titled debut album, Ricki-Lee > Her debut single "Hell No!" was released in June 2005, ahead of the related self-titled debut album, Ricki-Lee ✅
 * 6) Trim The song debuted and peaked at number five on the ARIA Singles Chart, and remained inside the top-ten for three consecutive weeks. e.g. The song peaked at number five on the ARIA Singles Chart – remaining in the top-ten for three consecutive weeks. Note: hard space between number and five. Use hard space for similar (see WP:NBSP) ✅
 * 7) Combine & condense "Sunshine" was released as the album's second single in September 2005.[21] It peaked at number eight on the ARIA Singles Chart and was certified gold by the ARIA.[22][20] > "Sunshine" was released as her second single in September,[21] which peaked at number eight and was also certified gold.[20][22] The ARIA parts are now default, no other charting or certification would be expected. ✅
 * 8) Similarly, combine and condense two separated sentences The album, Ricki-Lee, was released on 3 October 2005.[23] + Ricki-Lee debuted and peaked on the ARIA Albums Chart at number 30.[22] > Ricki-Lee was released on 3 October 2005,[23] which peaked at number 30 on the ARIA Albums Chart.[22] de-link ARIA Albums Chart as ARIA Charts previously linked. ✅
 * 9) peaked at number two on the ARIA Singles Chart, > peaked at number two ✅
 * 10) number four on the ARIA Albums Chart ✅
 * 11) Trim The announcement of the cancellation came at a time when rumours began to circulate that Coulter was set to leave the group, due to personality clashes with DeAraugo. e.g. The cancellation occurred amid claims that Coulter was set to leave the group, due to personality clashes with DeAraugo. ✅
 * 12) Trim Four months later, Coulter announced on 22 June 2007 that she would be leaving Young Divas to resume her solo career and plan her upcoming wedding to fiance Jamie Babbington. > However, on 22 June 2007, Coulter announced her departure to resume her solo career and to plan her upcoming wedding to fiancé, Jamie Babbington. ✅

More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 2007–09
 * 1) Trim The song debuted and peaked at number two on ARIA Singles Chart, and remained inside the top-ten for eight consecutive weeks.
 * 2) I trimmed 'ARIA Singles Chart'. I think the fact that the song peaked at number two should stay because its her best chart position to date. Oz   talk  00:02, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Yeah, you got this.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Specify date: It is Coulter's most successful single to date, and was eventually certified platinum. e.g. As of August 2012, it is Coulter's most successful single, and was certified platinum in December 2008. ✅
 * 5) Del 'Audius', from Mtawarira: available earlier. ✅
 * 6) Trim The album debuted and peaked on the ARIA Albums Chart at number 37
 * 7) I trimmed 'ARIA Albums Chart'. The album's chart position should stay. Oz   talk  00:02, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) Certainly.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 9) According to "The ARIA Report", archived (PDF) at PANDORA, the compilation is titled merely, The Singles. By the way, the ref confirms its non-charting in that week: more reliable than Sanity for this.
 * 10) The following year, Coulter released "Don't Miss You" as the lead single from her third album Hear No, See No, Speak No in July 2009, and peaked at number 24. > In July 2009, Coulter released "Don't Miss You", which peaked at number 24, as the lead single from her proposed third studio album, Hear No, See No, Speak No. ✅
 * 11) The album's second single, also titled "Hear No, See No, Speak No", was > The second single, the title track, was Note: reworked wikilinkage. ✅

More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:15, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 2010–present
 * 1) Delete She tweeted, after "five AMAZING years myself & my manager & dear friend Lauren Brown have decided to go our separate ways. We have experienced & achieved INCREDIBLE things together as a team and proved that with passion & determination – ANYTHING is possible!". The quote adds little to understanding Coulter's split with Brown, which is adequately described in the previous sentence; but keep the ref. ✅
 * 2) Clarify position as a breakfast host > position as a breakfast radio presenter Confirms its use in infobox. ✅
 * 3) Use pipe to avoid redirect: Thirty Seconds to Marsshaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:19, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Combiner & condense: "Raining Diamonds" was released as the lead single from Coulter's third album, Fear & Freedom. The song peaked at number 19 on the ARIA Singles Chart and was certified platinum.[21][69] > "Raining Diamonds", which peaked at number 19,[21] was the lead single from Coulter's third album, Fear & Freedom,[68] and was certified platinum by 2012.[69] Or move all ref tabs to end of sentence. ✅
 * 5) Expand IT List Awards: Explain whether IT are initials or just 'it' stressed.
 * 6) The website for this doesn't mention anything about the "IT" part. Oz   talk  10:58, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) "Do It Like That" was released as the album's second single in March 2012, and peaked at number 13 and was certified platinum. > "Do It Like That", the second single, was released in March 2012, which peaked at number 13 and was certified platinum. ✅
 * 8) Combine & condense: "Crazy" was released as the album's third single on 13 July 2012.[73] It has so far reached number 46 on the ARIA Singles Chart.
 * 9) I've reworded this like the previous singles sentences. Oz   talk  10:58, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 10) Coulter performed songs from the album for the first time at the Beresford Hotel in Sydney on 30 May 2012 > On 30 May Coulter first performed tracks from the album, at the Beresford Hotel, Sydney ✅

More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:36, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Musical style and influences
 * 1) Name The Age reviewer.
 * 2) Source doesn't provide a name. Oz   talk  10:58, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Try the part in bold: "Her shock exit looked like the end for Idol hopeful Ricki-Lee Coulter last year, but as Guy Blackman discovered, it may just have been the start of something big". The reviewer is Guy Blackman.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:54, 18 August 2012 (UTC) ✅
 * 4) was about her former relationship with ex-husband Jamie Babbington, > was about ending her relationship with ex-husband, Babbington, We already know his first name. ✅
 * 5) Coulter has also co-written some of her material > Coulter has co-written much of her own material A quick count at APRA gives some 56 co-written songs (credited to Coulter R) out of 87 performed (by Ricki Lee or Ricki Lee Coulter), although some duplicates/rewrites may have been counted more than once. Other tracks may be found as performed by: Ricki-Lee, Ricki-Lee Coulter and even one under Ricki-Lee Dawn Coulter. ✅
 * 6) Using APRA only, I count four from her debut album: "Turn It Up", "Can You Feel It?", "Let Me Hear You Say", "Done with It". ✅
 * 7) Allmusic is not entirely reliable for songwriters: some names aren't same as at APRA. I haven't counted all the tracks for the second or third albums. ✅
 * 8) as influences. During an interview with Cosmopolitan magazine, Coulter spoke about Knowles, saying "She's so driven > as influences, she told Cosmopolitan magazine, "[Knowles is] so driven ✅
 * 9) Critics have compared her single > Critics have compared Coulter's ✅
 * 10) Coulter has also expressed her love and admiration > Coulter has expressed admiration ✅

More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:00, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Television and radio career
 * 1) Too much 'celebrities' in first half of ¶ ✅
 * 2) The show's main purpose was to train the celebrities into circus acts > The show's task was to train contestants as circus performers De-link circus. ✅
 * 3) Trim off year: from the competition on 4 March 2008. ✅
 * 4) Reword where she helped coach Seal prepare the singers Sounds like Coulter coached Seal! ✅
 * 5) Reorganise She co-hosted the show for that year only, and received two award nominations for her role; at the 2010 Australian Commercial Radio Awards for 'Best Newcomer On Air' from the Metropolitan area, and at the 2010 Cosmopolitan Fun, Fearless, Female Women of the Year Awards for 'Radio Host'. > She co-hosted the show for that year only, but received two award nominations: 'Best Newcomer on Air' at the 2010 Australian Commercial Radio Awards, and 'Radio Host' at the 2010 Cosmopolitan Fun, Fearless, Female Women of the Year Awards. ✅
 * 6) A further tweak: 'Best Newcomer on Air – Metropolitan' at the shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 12:31, 19 August 2012 (UTC) ✅


 * Endorsements
 * 1) Single ¶ section: consider amalgamating with following section. ✅
 * 2) De-link: television commercial ✅
 * 3) who had been the Australian face for the brand since 2006 > who had been with the brand since 2006 ✅

More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:39, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Philanthropy
 * 1) that benefits research into childhood genetic diseases. > which sponsors investigation into childhood genetic diseases. ✅
 * 2) Coulter said she had been supporting the campaign since she was in high school > Coulter has supported the charity since she was in high school ✅
 * 3) Adjust wikilinkage: annual red ribbon appeal in November 2011 Note: Australian is default; I'd use 'red ribbon appeal' not 'Red ribbon' appeal. ✅
 * 4) an Australian independent non-profit charity benefiting > a charity benefiting ✅

More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:39, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Personal life
 * 1) More about Babbington: their relationship existed for seven or so years: during the crucial early part of her career. She says he was her first boyfriend. This means they started seeing each other in ca 2001 when she was in high school and 15/16 years old and he was about 23. What was/is Babbington's profession? How did he support her? Content elsewhere describes songs Coulter wrote regarding the end of their relationship: are there any about the good times? Any indication of what Babbington has done after Coulter? ✅
 * 2) According to here, (23 January 2008) She was 15 when they met, he was 23, they started "dating seriously" after about a year. Babbington is a builder, the lyrics for "Can't Sing a Different Song" are "'kind of bragging' about how happy she and her husband are" ✅
 * 3) De-link honeymoon.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 13:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC) ✅
 * 4) Since 2009, Coulter began dating personal trainer > Since September 2009, Coulter began dating personal trainer See ref [114] for Sep ✅
 * 5) Some chronology needed for sentences starting with "During an interview with..": When was the Weekly (or is it Woman's Day?) interview? When was she happy at size 14? ✅


 * Discography to See also
 * 1) Fear & Freedom Tour Dates have been announced in various industry publications/websites: time to wikilink it. ✅
 * 2) Hillary Duff's Dignity Tour: Australian leg Leave wikilink on Dignity Tour, don't link Duff. ✅
 * 3) Do similar for next tour. ✅
 * 4) Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? Australia not specified in other local versions of shows. ✅
 * 5) For Australian Idol notes: provide the seasons (wikilinked) ✅
 * Fix: The Voice (Australia) per 3 above. ✅
 * 1) For Awards and nominations section consider using Template:Awards table.
 * 2) I think its best to use the current format for a bio article and the template for a "List of awards and nominations" article. Oz   talk  23:50, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) OK.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:02, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Criterion 2
:
 * (a) ;
 * (b) ; and
 * (c).


 * References

I will be checking all the references and each numbered comment below is related to the ref's number as it existed at this time. The order in the article may change from this numbering as refs get moved, added or deleted. More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:46, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Preliminary comments: its good to see lots of webcites this should reduce linkrot effects. Consider changing but before e.g.  Note: enter "Ricki Lee*" as 'Performer' then click 'Search', ignore any Ricki Lee Jones works. }} The asterisk provides any performer starting with Ricki Lee (the hyphen is ignored). 93 are Coulter's and 13 by Jones. ✅
 * 1) add (Nine Entertainment Co. & Microsoft) to publisher. Confirmed. ✅
 * 2) See [14] & [23]. Confirmed.
 * 3) per [69]. ✅
 * OK
 * 1) Confirmed. ✅
 * 2) Names. Confirmed. ✅
 * OK
 * OK
 * OK
 * OK
 * OK
 * OK
 * 1) OK. Also tells us that Babbington has a new girlfriend: two months after their separation. ✅
 * 2) I've found sources on who Coulter was rumoured to be dating four months after their separation, but nothing on Babbington. Oz   talk  05:30, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Forget the rumours as probable OR.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:05, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK
 * 1) Confirmed. ✅
 * 2) OK. Didn't Coulter get to the next stage: final three?
 * 3) Does it matter? She still lost lol. Oz   talk  12:43, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Confirmed. ✅
 * 5) add (News Corporation) to publisher after News Community Media. Confirmed. ✅
 * 6) add Confirmed. ✅
 * OK
 * OK
 * OK
 * OK
 * OK
 * 1) Page not found. No wayback. I've seen the content at other sites, e.g. here. Separated, but when did they divorce? Or is 'separated' a euphemism for 'divorced'? ✅
 * 2) Adj . Add bracketed ellipsis in breaks of her quote. e.g. life was a mess. [...] I felt alone, ✅
 * 3) Woman's Day not Women's Weekly. Confirmed. ✅
 * 4) Confirmed. ✅
 * 5) per [94] Confirmed. ✅
 * 6) Fix title. Confirmed. ✅
 * 7) per [94] Confirmed. ✅
 * OK
 * 1) Add (David Knox) to publisher. Confirmed. ✅
 * 1) Add (David Knox) to publisher. Confirmed. ✅

Criterion 3
:
 * (a) ; and
 * (b).

Doing well on this Criterion and with the work on previous criteria this will be acceptable. Two minor queries (but not compulsory for this criterion): More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:00, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) If possible I'd like to see her biological father's name but this may be difficult to find in an acceptable source.
 * 2) I've only found sources on her step father's name. Nothing on her biological father's name has come up. Oz   talk  11:12, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) OK.
 * 4) Are there any verifiable instances of her providing instrumentation for a recording or live public performance?
 * 5) Is this about adding the instruments she played in high school in the infobox? Oz   talk  11:12, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) It could be faulty memory, I read somewhere that she had played an instrument live but I can't remember the occasion so I'd leave it out. The high school stuff would not provide sufficient professional performance to be added to the infobox.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 13:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Comments
A user recently added information in the Personal life section about Coulter not wanting to have children. Is this needed? Oz  talk  00:11, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This point is probably too trivial for the article, I've seen it mentioned but before her marriage to Babbington she was saying she was looking forward to having children. She may change her mind on having children as time progresses but these vagaries don't appear to be an important part of her life.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:49, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Criterion 4
.
 * 1) Already quite healthy on this Criterion, with further work above, this is covered.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Criterion 5
.
 * 1) Some edits in-line with above comments is expected, otherwise the article appears to be relatively stable.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:05, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Criterion 6
:
 * (a) ; and
 * (b).

More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Images
 * 1) Infobox:OK
 * 2) Coulter2006:OK
 * 3) 2007:Caption is a little thin. Add location & month. Check year: is it 2008? From the text we have Coulter headed over to US to record 2nd alb: "had headed overseas to work on her second solo album" dated 11 Feb. If it is Feb 2008 then she would be promoting that 2nd alb. ✅
 * 4) 2012:Caption can add something about her debuting tracks from the third album. For date just month & year is sufficient. ✅
 * 5) 2011:Just month & year. Venue? ✅
 * 6) Although not necessary, a suitable sound file or two of her typical work would help illustrate the article. ✅

Final decision
A final decision is pending completion of the above suggestions per criterion. I will allow one week from this date stamp for all of these to be finished.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've just polished up a few ref titles: mostly formatting for singles or albums. Other changes in line with the review appear to have been completed. Congratulations to Ozurbanmusic – this is now a Good article.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:49, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Oz   talk  12:05, 28 August 2012 (UTC)