Talk:Ricky Hatton/Archive 1

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Height, weight etc?
Ok I came to the page about Ricky Hatton after seeing a picture of him between the two WWE wrestlers Batista and The Undertaker and was wondering just how tall Ricky Hatton actually is? However this is not on the page so I am suggesting that maybe there could be this and a few more statistics like his weight, year of debut etc in the infobox at the top of the article.195.157.148.2 08:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Hatton wonderland
I think someone needs to change the lyrics of the song. I am positive the tune is

There's only one Ricky Hatton, There's only one Ricky Hatton, Walking along, Singing a song, Walking in a Hatton wonderland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.35.84.36 (talk) 04:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

-- Quite right. It's:

There's only one Ricky Hatton, There's only one Ricky Hatton, We're walking along, Singing our song, Walking in a Hatton wonderland.

Let's change this please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oyouarehereo (talk • contribs) 09:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I have changed the article to reflect the proposed changes. Cloudz679 (talk) 03:34, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Undefeated needs to change
references to undefeated throughout article needs to change once lock is removed preferrably rapidly as it's such an obvious error —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.145.238.16 (talk) 11:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Necessary changes...
there are a few parts of this article that dont seem correct to me. firstly, to say that Hatton hasn't been the same since the Collazo fight is very POV, and not remotely verifiable, especially as he has had only one bout since that fight. also, i feel the sentences relating to him receiving an MBE and him liking to drink guinness should be separated, as they are not related. also the wording regarding the Jonathan Ross interview doesn't seem suitable for an encyclopedia, perhaps 'killer left hook' would sound more suitable being 'powerful left hook'? I'll check back in a few days and if the changes haven't been made and there are no objections i will make them. thanks Zero187 05:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

The biography says that Ricky was born in Stockport, Greater Manchester. But most definitely Stockport is in Cheshire.


 * No, it's most verifiabily in Greater Manchester. Just click on the Stockport article to see. -- Jza84 · (talk) 13:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Ricky Hatton was not referred to by boxing fans as Ricky Fatton. He instead made this name up himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.203.165 (talk) 23:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

"Ricky Fatton" was being used on boxing message boards long before Hatton used it. 66.167.39.201 (talk) 11:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of POV, the description of the Mayweather-Hatton fight is terribly biased! Many respected boxing experts such as Doug Fischer and the veteran Teddy Atlas did not even consider the Mayweather vs. Hatton fight competitive. "Hatton was able to hold his own, until round eight" is a stretch. Ricky was consistently getting beat to the punch and broken down from at least round 3 onward. Also of the scorecards of all three official judges suggest that this fight was really dominated by Mayweather from the outset. Given this disparity only Ricky's fans seem to have a different POV. I don't want to try and change the article myself as I recognize that boxing fans can be extremely defensive and emotional when it comes to their heroes. However since Wikipedia generally at least tries to stick to the facts, I suggest that the article at least attempts to stick to the facts rather than point-of-view reviews like this. Better to just state what the official scores were at the time of the TKO (a glaring omission), especially since it was mentioned that Hatton "won all but one round on all three judges' scorecards" against Urango, but similarly won only 1 round on two scorecards and 2 rounds on 1 scorecard of the Mayweather fight. Hatton beat Urango but had serious problems with Urango's body shots, that fight was far from easy. But again, this is an opinion, so I suggest sticking to the official scores and results. There was not even any controversy in Hatton's fight with Mayweather. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbase1235 (talk • contribs) 06:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally the same could be said of the description of this fight on Floyd Mayweather's page as it essentially reads the same and is also biased. While I understand that Floyd may not be well liked as a person, that should not contribute to a rewriting of the actual events that happened, particularly since these events only happened a few days ago. But I would rather not get into a back-and-forth edit of these pages myself, I would just like to go on record by stating that point-of-view articles should not be tolerated on Wikipedia, we should stick to the facts as far as is possible. By the way, it is correct that even though Ricky tried to hit Floyd behind the head, the punch barely landed due to the ropes getting in the way. However it is equally true the Ricky never connected when he supposedly "in fact almost knocked Mayweather down in the first round". This is not a fact. Ricky's punch missed, I have reviewed the tape many times, Floyd tripped over Ricky's foot at that moment. Again, people seem to be promoting their own biases rather than what actually happened. If we can use replay to see that Ricky did not land when deducted a point, we can also use replay to see that Floyd was never "almost knocked" down by Ricky. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbase1235 (talk • contribs) 06:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Hatton vs. Lewis
"He is seen by many as one of the greatest British fighters of all-time"

Does British mean by race? Lennox Lewis often breaks the top ten list of greatest heavies of all time. Hatton hasn't even really beaten any great fighters in their prime and he's just starting to make a name for himself in the US. At this time I really don't think this sentence can be supported, unless you mean racially British. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.56.207.16 (talk) 05:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, he is seen as one of the greatest boxers with British nationality ever. I don’t think he can be considered one of the greatest boxers ever, yet. If he defeats Floyd Mayweather Jr, then I think he will be one of the greatest. P.s. I think he will win and prove to be one of the greatest ever —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.88.80 (talk) 01:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * There is no such thing as "racially British", as there is no "British race". Lewis has British nationality and so does Hatton. By the same token, a statement like that ("seen by many as one of the best...") should be supported by a reliable source. Badgerpatrol (talk) 15:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Absolutely correct. The first comment here speaks volumes about the POV of it's author.  Lennox Lewis is racially British by virtue of being born in Great Britain.  For that matter, so are Lewis Hamilton and Amir Khan, for example.  The author would like to use the word "white" but has just enough intelligence to realise that this would be seen as a controversial and probably distatsteful characterisation.

The comment needs to go. For one, Who is "many"? It's unsourced. And it's rather premature considering he's still an active fighter. A fighters all-time standing can change quickly. On a personal note, I disagree with it. He's struggled with pedestrian opponents, oly beaten top level fighters who were at the end of their careers, and was decisively beaten and KO'd in embarassing fashion in the biggest fight of his career. 66.167.39.201 (talk) 11:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Technical knockout
The article states:

"Floyd Mayweather Jr. knocked out Ricky Hatton in the 10th round of their scheduled bout. Joe Cortez stopped the fight after Hatton fell to the canvas after a furious Mayweather assault."

This is a little ambiguous. With the referee stopping the fight it was a TKO but not a knockout as usually understood. Suggest that the first sentence is removed, or that it is reworded as something like "Mayweather beat Hatton by TKO in the 10th round". Also, the names should be shortened to just there surnames. Fire Fixer (talk) 12:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, Mayweather TKO'd Hatton. GoodDay (talk) 19:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

A small point but it says Cortez stopped the bout after Hatton went down for the second time. Unless I'm mistaken, Cortez waved off the bout and then Hatton wobbled his way to the ground. 66.167.39.201 (talk) 12:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Urango
The article states he fought Urango "The current IBF champion". This implies that Urango regained the title and is currently reigning and defending. Should be changed. 66.167.39.201 (talk) 12:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Nicknames
"Ricky Fatton" has recently been added to the list of nicknames.

This is not so much a nickname as a jibe about his weight, it maybe could be a nickname if Ricky was happy with it but as he stated on the Jonathan Ross show some time ago, he is not keen on the comments about his weight.Hypnoticmonkey (talk) 20:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ricky created the nickname himself and wears a t-shirt with it on it - so I think its safe to say its OK!--Vintagekits (talk) 20:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Re: Fatton, I found this article in The Times, I noticed that his page doesn't mention his sense of humour and after dinner speeches, he's a bit of a comedian is our Ricky. Sue Wallace (talk) 03:07, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

This article is loaded with bad language re Mayweather fight
Warrants attention. Londo06 (talk) 22:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

The description of Mayweather fight is biased beyond comprehension. Mayweather dominated the fight, outclassing Hatton easily (also reflected by the scoring at the time of TKO, where 2 judges had Mayweather winning all, but one round). The notion that Hatton somehow "held his own" agaist Mayweather is laughable. I will change the description in a few days, unless a more neutral version appears. --70.107.161.129 (talk) 05:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Citation would help neutralise the situation here. -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hatton was holding his own considering the manner in which the referee Cortez was handling the fight.It looked as if he were paid off by the Mayweather camp.And as for the score. I had Hatton winning (4) out of the (8) scored rounds. Its all a matter of opinion. In no way did Mayweather dominate Hatton. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.41.200.133 (talk) 21:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Can someone (perhaps Jza84 or one of the regulars here) look at the edits since the vandalism reversion in January per and see if any of them are incorrect? There's been nearly 100 edits to this page and some which I've already reverted were definite vandalism, but these ones would take a subject expert to identify. Orderinchaos 13:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The page is regularly vandalised I'm afraid. I asked for semi-protection once but it was not granted!... I have the page on my watchlist to revert as much as I can, but don't have much knowledge of Hatton beyond the basics. -- Jza84 · (talk) 13:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Hatton Vs. Pacquiao
Is there any reason no wthat both contracts are signed and the fight agreed that the page has still not been updated for the pacquio fight but instead talks of the fight being off? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom513 (talk • contribs) 15:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Differences between TKO from KO
Once again, I will change the TKO from KO from the fight with Manny Pacquiao. Hatton is not defeated by TKO but by KO. According to this definition of Knockout, Technical Knockout is declared by the referee or other judges decide that a fighter cannot continue the match, even though he did not fail the count. I heard in the commentary that the 3 knockdown rule does not apply here. If you believe that what happened to Hatton is a TKO and not a KO, Please post your explanation here and state your sources.

Triadwarfare (talk) 13:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

about pacquiao vs hatton, that wasn't pacquiao's 5th different weight class fight but the 10th. jr. flyweight - welterweight. He just won 5 titles in 5 weight classes before the fight (flyweight, super bantamweight, featherweight, superfeatherweight, and lightweight) and won 6 at a different weightclass after the fight in which he won the light welterweight crown.

Ricky Hatton Wiki Page
I used this page for a Ricky Hatton solo talk at school and I personally thought it was the bomb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.194.12 (talk) 19:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Punching force
I think that it should be mentioned somewhere in this article that he has a punching impact force of 900lbs (400kg) at a speed of 32mph (50km/h). This research was carried out at the University of Manchester, and this force was measured. It is approximately 10 times the force of an average person's punch. When I visited the open day at the university today, I found this out, and looked for it here, but was disappointed that it wasn't here. I think it would be a valuable contribution to the article.

I found this out when I actually visited the university, but there is also an article on the internet to use as a source: [http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-Powerful-Is-a-Boxing-Champion-039-s-Fist-Same-as-Being-Hit-By-a-Horse-at-Full-Speed-58289.shtml Softpedia - How Powerful Is a Boxing Champion's Fist? It's Like Being Hit By a Horse at Full Speed. Engineers prove it's really a mighty blow] Chrisbontnewydd (talk) 18:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Kostya Tszyu
in this article it was claimed Kostya Tszyu was regarded as one of the best p4p at the time. that statement is untrue kostya came back from retirement to fight a past his best sharmbra mitchell and was well past his own prime when doing so. he then retired after the hatton fight. I am a Hatton fan but we are only kidding ourselves thinking he beat the best Kostya Tszyu there is to beat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.228.84 (talk) 17:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Offical Website URL is Wrong!
the external links on Ricky Hatton Wiki page Official site and Ricky Hatton's promoter - official site  are wrong, Ricky now has an official website called Official Hatton Website please can you change the external link of Official site to Official Hatton Website and Ricky Hatton's promoter - official site to Ricky Hatton's Promotions - official Promotions site Thank you (Control2k (talk) 11:18, 6 October 2009 (UTC))

Hi again im am wondering if the above changes can me made asap as the Official Ricky Hatton promoters have asked for this if you do need confirmation off them then i am able to get this if you can contact me my details are on our website www.control2k.co.uk please ask for Katie or Simon thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.254.243.142 (talk) 13:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to say thank you for changing the external links —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.254.243.142 (talk) 11:17, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

pacquiao vs hatton
about pacquiao vs hatton, that wasn't pacquiao's 5th different weight class fight but the 10th. jr. flyweight - welterweight. He just won 5 titles in 5 weight classes before the fight (flyweight, super bantamweight, featherweight, superfeatherweight, and lightweight) and won 6 at a different weightclass after the fight in which he won the light welterweight crown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by W2nhbky2j (talk • contribs) 03:01, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

PACQUIAO... A SIX-DIVISION CHAMPION AFTER HE DEFEATED HATTON SO CHANGE IT FROM 5 TO 6!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamtheironman (talk • contribs) 23:05, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from RHITMANh, 11 November 2010
Ricky Hatton has lost two stone in weight as he continues his battle against drink and drug addiction.

The former two-weight world champion checked into rehab following allegations of cocaine abuse earlier this year.

The light-welterweight, who is currently suspended from fighting although it remains unlikely he will ever return to the ring, notoriously ballooned in weight between bouts and was reportedly at 14 stone this year.

However, Hatton has started working out and, according to father Ray, has quickly dropped excess weight and is returning to his former self.

"He's fine at the moment, he's working out at his own gym at home, his coming in to the gym here and working out with the other boxers here," he toldSky Sports News.

"To date he's lost well over two stone, he's looking very relaxed and he's getting back to his old self.

"He's got a bit of a spring in his step, working back here and giving a little advice and obviously he's feeling a lot fitter." http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_6500734,00.html

RHITMANh (talk) 23:19, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. I cannot uunderstand what you would like changed. Thanks, Stickee (talk)  23:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 92.18.38.150, 13 March 2011
edit semi-protected

92.18.38.150 (talk) 20:05, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 23:46, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Retirement
Ricky Hatton announced his retirement on the 7th of July 2011. http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jul/07/ricky-hatton-retirement - Thanks, OmegaNothing (talk) 16:00, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Man City or Rochdale?
In the biography section it says that Hatton's "grandfather and father played for Rochdale, and Ricky had a trial for the youth team" however, in the outside the ring section it says that "Hatton is a passionate supporter of Manchester City, with strong links to the club via his father and grandfather, who are both former players. Ricky also once had a trial at City for the youth team." which is correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.122.131.201 (talk) 18:20, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Crosby Liverpool Centre name garbled —then widely copied!
The section Charity has at end the sentence "Thanks to Ricky's help via donations and a highly successful auction, a lot of money was raised for the Centre for First Inistuitives in Crosby Liverpool." I just happened to look at this page because I was curious as to what charity work Hatton had done (having seen he had an MBE) so I immediately noticed what seemed a typo.

I am pretty certain that this is a typo, and that the Centre intended is in fact the Centre for First Initiatives, of which the address is indeed 7 Chesterfield Road, Crosby, Liverpool L23 9XL see http://www.firstinitiatives.org/  and yet I cannot find any source mentioning the latter as the beneficiary of Ricky Hatton's good works. On this, believe me, I tried; and I found over a thousand pages (according to the search engine hit count) of a search for Ricky Hatton and some Centre in Crosby, and the match turned out in each case the identical sentence evidently copied from this page and with the same typographical error. These pages are the ONLY web pages containing the non-word "Inistuitives" and in every single case I looked at, the word appeared in the verbatim copied sentence or at least the second part, namely "... a lot of money was raised for the Centre for First Inistuitives in Crosby Liverpool."

So I am pretty sure this is not a real word (or even a word made up for use by the charity in receipt of Mr Hatton's help) and the only places it appears are copies of this very sentence with this typo in it. But as I say, I cant find any other reporting of this help from Mr Hatton for this Centre in Crosby, so I am loath to make the change unsupported. All such references are copies of this sentence and contain this same typo error. Nobody reports the matter independently and therefore nobody gives what I am pretty sure is the correct name for this Centre.

So, does Wikipedia have a protocol for such cases? If I were to phone the Centre and ask if they had been helped by Mr Hatton, that would be original research by me, so not allowed!

And another thing: in fairness, somebody needs to email about 1600 webmasters and point out that they copied a typographical error from Wikipedia, and should correct it. Incidentally, the help for the Centre in Crosby is in any case not supported in this article by any source reference, though it would be a shame to have to delete it on that basis: the section on his charity work is very short (compared to the boxing career coverage) already.

I think that sums up the issue. A tiny detail, a typo, but a huge thing (by comparison) for anybody who dares to attempt simply to correct it!

Iph (talk) 19:50, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

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