Talk:Ricky Ponting/Archive 1

NPOV breaches

 * "(He also assaulted a bar manager in Kolkata while on tour in 1998, after being ejected for exposing his groin towards an unwilling female patron)" Seems to be added in a random place in the acticle. There are 4 off-field incidents mentioned in this article, none of them well placed. They need to be tidied up, and with some references. No references, then removed. I've never heard about 'exposing his groin towards an unwilling female patron' incident. -- CraigKeogh 08:06, 23 August 2005 (UTC)


 * "Punta was surpisingly promoted to captain, ahead of Gilchrist" This should be removed (Neutral point of view). Give the reader the facts, and they can make up their own mind if it was 'surpisingly' or not. -- CraigKeogh 08:06, 23 August 2005 (UTC)


 * "Gilchrist however, walked, and was subsequently removed of the test vice-captaincy after the World Cup, in favour of Ponting, although the reason for this was not disclosed by Cricket Australia." The reason was not disclosed by Cricket Australia, so 'subsequently removed' is your point of view. Article should be neutral. -- CraigKeogh 08:06, 23 August 2005 (UTC)


 * The text you refer to was all added by an anon editor about eight days ago this diff. I don't think anyone would mind if you removed it Sam Vimes 13:02, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Done -- CraigKeogh 04:12, 24 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Ponting was not VC in 2000. Warne was stripped of VC after 2000 SMS saga and replaced with Gilchrist. When Waugh was sacked, Gilchrist was first in line and Ponting got the jump. At the time, most commentators were surprised. Blnguyen 06:15, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

"He also remarked that should Australia fail to retain the Ashes, he would not shoulder the blame entirely, citing the performance of his players. Many saw this as a sign of weakness, that he showed a fear of impending failure to his opponents." It is reasonable to conclude that he, and the Australian team did not play well on tour, however slights on Ponting's character are unneccessary and are not in the interest of neutrality. The comment in Pontings "weakness" is a point of view, similary the comment on his "fear". The entire section should be reviewed in the interest of neutrality. Juan 01:55, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The paragraph on Ponting's captaincy during the 2005 ashes campaign is unduly biased.

"Early on, he was regarded as a near-compulsive hooker and vulnerable to being caught at fine leg; he has latterly moderated this tendency. He is less effective against spin bowling on flat pitches. In eight Test matches against India in India, Ponting's batting average is 12.28; considerably lower than his career average." Nobody is really "vulnerable to being caught at fine leg" very few catches ever end up there and is not the correct way the phrase the notion of compulsive hooking, you would just simply be likley to be caught going for the shot which could be almost anywhere on the legside. Also "is less effective against spin bowling on flat pitches" Is either a biased and/or non-cricketer comment. Ponting had a woeful tour of india in 2001 but he has an exelent record agaist spin all over the world. It could be said he struggled on the dusty pitches of india but I can tell you for a FACT he does not struggle agaist any bowling on flat pitches as flat pitches are found everywhere and he scores rather heavily on them his stats speak for themselves really.Carlo rendell 10:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This section is poorly written and may be bias towards india.

Reference in SMH
Just a note to say this article was referred to in the Sydney Morning Herald of 8 October 2005, jguk 20:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Photos

 * what's with that pic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frank Carmody (talk • contribs)


 * It's the best we've got while we're waiting for anyone going out and taking a photo and then licensing it under a free license, so that everyone can use it. Sam Vimes 22:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Missing sentence?
Something seems garbled here: But that never seemed to daunt him, at least not so much that he felt the need to wear more protective headgear. This perhaps saved his career when in the first Ashes test of 2005 series at Lord's he received a vicious bouncer from Steve Harmison directed at his head that hit him on the side of his helmet. His disdain for helmets saved his career by getting him hit in the helmet at Lord's? It seems like there should be a sentence between the two indicating when he began to wear headgear more regularly- don't know what the facts of the matter are (dates, etc). --Clay Collier 02:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree... The whole paragraph about wearing helmets is confusing, and seems to just be based on personal observations. I'm not doubting their truth, but it should be sourced and be a lot clearer. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 03:19, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I removed that paragraph. Some guys take off their headgear after a long hot day when they are batting against spin. I can't tink of any batsmen who by default uses a cap when he bats against quicks. Anyway, Ponting only played less than half a dozen games at No 3. in the Taylor era as I noted in my additions, so the comment about Taylor and Slater being erratic is unnecessary (and POV).Blnguyen | rant-line 06:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite
I've tried to beef up a whole pile of things, mainly about his pre-cpataincy career, which was a bit skinny. Pls have a look to see if I've missed anything. Blnguyen | rant-line 06:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Nitpicking
''in which he was promoted to the No 3. position when Langer was elevated to opening due to the sacking of Michael Slater.''

Not directly related to Langer's comeback. Langer did not play in the first four Tests and replaced Slater at Oval, while Ponting batted at No.3 in all the five.

Ponting was elevated to the captaincy, ahead of then vice-captain Adam Gilchrist, which was considered rather surprising by many commentators.

Should be broken into two.

There are too many commas in the article :) Tintin (talk) 07:42, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

The Langer comment is true. I forgot that it was slater-hayden-ponting-wauhg-waugh-martyn. Yes, the sentence should be broken. You should probably check the Yuvraj page then also.Blnguyen | rant-line 07:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

"using a graphite sticker on the wood blade of the bat"

This has been changed as it suggests that the graphite sticker from Kookaburra was on the face of the bat when, in fact, it was on the back of the bat. Ponting does use an Extratec coating on the front of his bat but this is not contrary to the laws of the game and is quite common among international batsmen. (58.173.120.118 23:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC))

preceded / proceeded
There are several locations in which the word 'preceded' is used when what is meant is 'proceeded'.


 * 1) 1996 world cup: end of paragraph 3
 * 2) First World Cup success (1999): late in paragraph 1, and early in paragraph 3
 * 3) 2002–03 Ashes victory and first World Cup success as captain: late paragraph 1, late paragraph 5
 * 4) Ashes regained and 10,000 ODI runs at 2007 World Cup: early paragraph 5
 * 5) etc.

It seems that the primary author is not clear of the difference between precede and proceed.

Minor edit required. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hugonautical (talk • contribs) 11:48, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

physical Height information in introduction?
"His height is 5'10"."

Should this information be provided in introduction paragraph? IMHO, intro paragraph is not well suited for saying what is the player's height. It can be either made part of the infobox (making it general to all the players) or should be added in some other sections. Any thoughts/suggestions? - KNM Talk 08:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Is he really 5'10"? He looks like a midget next to Freddie. --LiamE 01:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Updating during test
I agree with Sam Vimes' comments - do not update the stats DURING a test match. Apart from the fact that the figures state they were last updated 20 April 2006, so are fairly out of date already - but at the end of the test, other people updating the table will not know what has changed, what is current and what needs to be updated. It would be best to reference an external source at the end of the test (cricinfo.com, or cricket.com.au or baggygreen.com.au) and duplicate their stats. -- Chuq 20:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Seems to me that the stats in the opening paragraph are not needed either. There is a big infobox down one side, so clumsy statements like "over 9000 runs and 32 centuries as of the ongoing Brisbane Test" are poor copy. Darcyj 02:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Atari reference
I removed the image of the Atari video game cover because (a) it is a copyright image, and (b) this is not an advertising site. I also took out the sentence "The game seems to be only available in Australia." because it is unverified and because the availability of the product is irrelevant to the basic information that the game is one of Ponting's commercial endorsements. Darcyj 11:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. Even if verified, the game's availability doesn't strike me as important enough to this subject to mention in the article. jguk 11:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Rankings
The article begins by saying that Ponting IS this and he IS that with particular reference to rankings. Rankings can change and if Ponting fails to maintain his recent form he will definitely slip in the rankings. It would be better to point out that he WAS top-ranked in 2006 and not pre-empt a changed situation in the future when continued use of the present tense will confuse a reader. --BlackJack | talk page 14:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * A fair point, but in respect of the Test batting rankings (at least) Ponting's place at #1 is not under threat in the near future. When I revised the article just recently I did away with the "as at such-and-such-date" phrases on the grounds that they were a bit clumsy.  One of the prime characteristics of Wikipedia is that is is not static and that information can be presented as it currently is without compromising future reading.  When the rankings do change, a prompt editing will surely be no onerous task for any one of a hundred editors. Darcyj 02:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Rickey Ponting is no longer No.1 in the test battingrankings He is third behind, Kumar Sangakkara and Jaques Kallis. This information should be updated. He is however no.1 in ODI batting ranikings. --Fountain1977 (talk) 11:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Ponting's rankings are moving up and down to the extent that any statement of his current position seems likely to be inaccurate within a few weeks. I'd suggest following BlackJack's note about stating where and when he hit his high points and stating how this places him in an historical context. Trying to keep up with a changing ranking system strikes me as being a waste of effort. --Perry Middlemiss (talk) 22:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Article claims Ponting is the most successful Australian cricket captain with 48 victories. This is true but if you look at his win rate (and ignore those with 10 or less games as captain) then he's third behind Steve Waugh (won 72%) and Don Bradman (won 63%).  Ponting has won a very creditable 61% to date.  Allan Border despite 93 matches in charge only won 34% by contrast and Kim Hughes won only 14% of his 28 matches as captain.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.220.42.108 (talk) 00:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I was concerned about that part of the article too. Comparing absolute numbers does not make a fair comparison. A lot more Test matches are played now than in Bradman's day. (And he had a big gap in his career for WWII.) And if Ponting's percentage is behind both Bradman and Waugh, he cannot be called "most successful". Better to list some numbers and let readers judge. HiLo48 (talk) 01:49, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Review comments moved here
relocated here from Peer Review


 * Ponting became the first Australian captain since Allan Border in 1985 to lose The Ashes when Australia were defeated by England 2 wins to 1 - Australia lost 1-3 in 1985 and 1-2 in 1986-87. I didn't fix it because it is not clear which series is intended here.


 * It is only possible to lose the Ashes when oneis the holder of the Ashes. In 1986-87, England's team came to Australia as the holder of the trophy, so although Border's side lost the series it was a case of England retaining the Ashes.  All of this would be fairly obvious to a cricket fan, but probably not to a casual reader, so I guess an edit might be in order. Darcyj 05:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I had added this comment because I (incorrectly) read it to mean that the 1985 series was won by a 2-1 margin. Looking it at again, it seems easy to make that mistake. Tintin (talk) 11:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Changed the opening sentences of the paragraph, it should be unambiguous now. Darcyj 11:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The series had begun with a big win to Australia at Lord's, but a pre-match accidental injury to Glenn McGrath proved a turning point.  - the second half of this should be separated. Gives the impression that he was injured at Lord's.


 * Fair point. Better would be "... win to Australia at Lord's, but at Edgbaston in the pre-match warmup for the 2nd Test an accidental injury to Glenn McGrath proveda turning point."  Agree? Darcyj 05:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I've now made that change. Darcyj 12:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * and raised his career average above 60, taking his - the recent form section is already out of date. The average came down to 58.96 when he got out. The mention of 60 appears in Key Achievements as well. Tintin (talk) 03:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Someone has edited the stats in the player info box mid-match, which is not recommended. Nevertheless, your analysis is also wrong.  His average before the 2nd Test began was 59.52ref and so an innings of 142 could not have lowered his average.  Right now, he has 9190 runs and has been dismissed 153 times, an average of 60.06. Darcyj 05:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I had looked at the strike rate :P Tintin (talk) 05:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Name?
Is there anyway we can find out if his official name is Richard? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it isn't his official name? There are only 42 results found for ["Richard Ponting" cricket]. I know an Indian who first name is officially Ricky! Anyway Wikipedia isn't based on formalities. It is based on how it appears in sources. Otherwise Arabic numerals should be changed to Hindu-Arabic numerals which is technically more correct. So I don't think we need to mention Richard even if it is his formal name. GizzaChat  © 04:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Peacock Terms
I deleted the following statement from the intro: ''He is widely regarded as the best batsman in the world. . Not only did this violate WP:PEACOCK, it was a mis-characterization of the course. While the cited reference had nothing but praise for Ponting, it hardly stated that he is the unqualified best. 159.153.129.39 23:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ponting is widely regarded as the best batsman in the world. WP:PEACOCK says Instead of telling the reader that a subject is important, use facts to show the subject's importance. - it does not say not to do 'both.  And to scratch the citation on the basis that it does not have the exact phrase which I used as a summary of sentiment is to draw a particularly long bow.  I may put the statement back and add 27 footnotes to reflect the wideness of opinion about Ponting's batting, shall I? Darcyj 01:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think the statement is accurate. Tendulkar and Lara both have their supporters as best batsman in the world. Yousuf will have a claim soon too if he carries on like he has been. On the other hand, "one of the best batsmen" would be uncontroversial, and easily backed up by citations. Stephen Turner (Talk) 11:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

2006 Ashes Series Neutrality Issues
Could someone who is reasonably well informed about cricket have a look at this. I don't even know where to start looking and editing. A complete re-write may be faster! Gab.popp 05:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2006-07_Ashes_series <-- theres already an ashes article, so the bits mentioned should only focus on his batting and captaincy without all the extra bits that seem to be floating in there.Blu3d 06:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Citation needed on the batting and captaincy records
I'm not good with referencing, so if someone could go ahead and give references to those records that'd be great

Flymflanger 02:15, 2 June 2007 (UTC)"Most test double-centuries by an Australian (4), equal with Don Bradman and Greg Chappell"

This should really be joint second number of test double hundreds wtih Greg Chappell who has 4. Don Bradman scored 12 Test double hundreds in his career making him the scorer of most test double hundreds by an Australian"

http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/STATS/TESTS/BATTING/LEADING_BATSMEN_TEST_200S.html

Deleting matter about Ponting's rude behavior
Known for his rude behavior over the years. I have summarized this points twice but deleted by some die hard fan of Ricky. Is it for which we are using Wikipedia ? why people can’t take true criticism ? is wikipedia is for certain people or certain nation only ?

Contents removed

''Ponting has also been criticized for his rude behavior on the ground. In April 1998, he intentionally collided with Harbhajan after he stumped out. In 1999-2000, Ponting show bat to Srinath after he missed the hook shot. Both the time he was saved from punishment or fine and umpire was Steve Bucknor.''

User who removed contents: Blnguyen --LoveIndia 05:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Please read the banner above you on WP:BLP. Who criticised Ponting? You have characterised Ponting as ruse..who says this? Who determined he intentionally collided with HArbhajan...there was no collision.....Also Bucknor the umpire is not responsible for disciplinary actions. It is the match referee who reports and prosecutes players for this. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Have u checked the video ? i have seen it 3 times. even Aussie commentrator were also stated that the collusion was intentional and uncalled for. Are you owner of Wikipedia so restrict us from writing the truth ? If you want video i will post that on youtube. just check the match video and see how he has collieded. The match was shown on {Ten Sports} at 8.30 IST on June 21, 2007.

What about Ricky shows bat to Srinath when he just enquired about his well being after hit by a bouncer. It was criticised at many part of the word.

Read this links about Ricky Ponting's rude behaviour.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,,20716774-23212,00.html

http://ia.rediff.com/cricket/2003/dec/09flash.htm

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/stlucia/content/story/260584.html

http://www.cricket.mailliw.com/archives/2005/07/27/justin-langer-its-a-game-not-war

http://lostinmob.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.html

http://www.cricketfundas.com/srinathtribute.htm

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/engvwi/content/story/259522.html

http://www.nimisis.com/tags/cricket

how many more links you want ?

As a duty steve Bucknor has to report the incidence to referee which he has not done. we all know how much Steve loves Indian players. his famous multiple decision against Tendulkar. In 2005 Ashes series, Ricky was criticised for several such incidences. Each time he escapes from ICC penalty. We will discuss about Bucknor on his page.

When we accept that he is the best batsman of this era, we also need to accept the fact that his behaviour is often rude. --LoveIndia 05:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * you provided no links about the harby incident, and I don't know what you mean by "show bat", all he did was sledge, unnecessary but part of the game *shrugs*. None of those articles used the word rude, and rude is simply a point of view anyway. And blaming Steve Bucknor who has nothing to do with it is hardly helping you prove your point. Though I respect him as a batsmen, I'm not a fan of Ponting's behaviour, but you'll have to find better sources to back up your point- otherwise it looks like an accusation bordering on libel and slander. Maybe it's your wording. "he intentionally collided with Harbhajan after he stumped out" -- how can you prove intent unless it comes out of Ponting's own mouth? See Libel and Biographies of living persons (esp the bit which says "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles,[2] talk pages, user pages, and project space", which the removed bit would currently fall under. --Blu3d 16:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * ICC report on Harbhajan-Ponting incdinet. Feel free to use his other ICC convictions, but please stick to these or a report saying that they actually collided. I don't remember a collision, olnly that they veered towards each other and exchanged words and sendoffs. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

pls check an article on Cricinfo.com where Ian Chappell said - Ponting's behavior was unacceptable. I think word Rude is better than unacceptable. Hence I used a better word for his behavior. About collusion, please check match video where you will clearly see Pointing walking straight, suddenly moves right and collided with Harbhajan. All kind of points abt wikipedia standards will be clear when you will see that match. Thats all from my end, no further discussion on this point --LoveIndia 06:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

'To Mr Blnguyen, Blu3d : what do you say about Mr Pointing aka Mr Integrity after what we have seen in 2nd Test. I told you, he is not a good cricketer and that has been proven.' Stop pretending as nothing happened. world has seen that he claimed 2 grounded catches. World has seen that he stood on wicket eventhough he was out.


 * Not good. when did I say that he was a gentleman at all? But you can't put pov in here as Wikipedia POV.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 22:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Rick Ponting?
I saw on the news he wants to be known as "Rick Ponting" now. Someone should change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.141.213 (talk) 11:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Rick Ponting. Heard it on the Footy Show that he wants to be known as "Rick Ponting". Article currently locked for some reason. Londo06 13:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I changed his name to Rick before it was announced on the Footy Show as it was previously announced The TODAY Show. However some dumb person didn't believe me and decided to change it back. I hate when people think they know better.--Hamil 14:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

His manager's come out and said this "Rick" Ponting stuff is rubbish and completely untrue. Scmods 14:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That might be why it was removed then, and "i heard it on the news" isn't a good enough cite. You would need a proper citation to a reliable source. Plus an article name is supposed to be the most common term that the subject is known by, so it would only go to Rick if the majority of people started calling him it. SGGH speak! 22:57, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No need to change, although his parents call him Rick.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 22:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Personal life??
Out of interest, does anyone know whether he has got kids or not?? Thanks......59.184.150.134 14:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)div123

Ricky ponting has two adorable children. Emmy Charlotte, born on July 26th 2008, and their recent arrival of Matisse Ellie, born on September 8th 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.29.247.194 (talk) 05:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Controversies
The final "dot" point is a disgrace. There is repeated use of the word "ellegedly" in a disgustingly disingenuous attempt to smear. Here are the offending sentences, I rest my case. OK - the offending sentences have just been removed - well done! Phil1bali (talk) 11:38, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Second Test 2008 and POV
As you will see from the recent edit history, there have been numerous attempts to add material to this article connected with interpretation of events surrounding the second cricket Test recently concluded in Australia. I reverted several recent edits on the basis that they appeared to be in breach of both the Wikipedia Neutral Point of View guidelines and the Wikipedia Biography of Living Persons guidelines. I encourage all editors to keep these guidelines in mind when adding material on this topic.-- Cala braxthis  17:40, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that every content added to the article must be in accordance with WP:NPOV and WP:BLP. If you find any content which are violating these, please bring those into the attention of other editors, in this talk page. Thanks - KNM Talk 17:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Controversies: "After the 2nd test of the 2007-08 series against India ..."
The last bullet point is glib and misleading. It is beyond question that the relevant controversy extended beyond whether Ricky Ponting and the Australian cricket team played the match "contrary to the spirit of the game". There was controversy over the standard of the umpiring in the game. There was controversy over the use of technology, or the lack thereof, in arriving at umpiring decisions made during the game. There was controversy over whether the umpires should have sought and accepted the "word" of the fielding captain as to whether catches had been taken cleanly during the game. There was controversy over whether Harbhajan Singh racially abused Andrew Symonds during the game. There was controversy over whether Ponting ought to have made a report to the match referee concerning the alleged racial abuse of Symonds by Singh. There was controversy over whether the match referee (Mike Proctor) ought to have found Singh guilty of racial abuse and of breaching the ICC Code of Conduct. There was controversy over whether, if guilty, Singh should have been penalised by being banned from playing three test matches. There was controversy over whether the ICC should bow to the pressure being exerted upon it by the BCCI to overturn the decision made in respect of, and the penalty imposed on, Singh by Proctor. There was controversy over whether the Indian cricket team's tour of Australia should or would continue.

The last bullet point suggests that the relevant controversy concerned only whether Ponting and the Australian cricket team played the match "contrary to the spirit of the game" and resulted in criticims of Ponting.

Despite the accusations of Ponting and controversy of the umpires asking him whether Clarke's catch of Ganguly did in fact carry, Ponting, after apparently taking a catch on the second day of the test, withdrew the Australian team's appeal, saying that it did not carry to him.

In fact, the relevant controversy was much broader. And Ponting and his team were defended publicly and stoutly by the Chief Executive Officer of Cricket Australia, James Sutherland, and in many sections of the media. Quantummeruit (talk) 06:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Controversy?
''In Headingley in 2001, Ponting stood his ground while on 0 after edging to slips and refused to go off the field without a TV replay. Replays revealed that the ball had been grassed. Ponting went on to make 100''. How can this incident be regarded as a controversy? He was indeed right, wasn't he? No batsman in this world returns to pavilion until they are 100% sure that they are actually out. There have been many occasions where batsmen after edging the ball wait for the replay and third umpire's decision to make sure the fielder has indeed caught the ball correctly. This isn't a controversy by any stretch of imagination. Gnanapiti (talk) 22:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Removed.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 00:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Key achievements
Biggest achievement of Ponting is that he earned the Australian team a tag of BIGGEST CHEATERS of the game... He cheated while batting, fielding an claiming catches when the ball was grassed... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.131.1 (talk) 17:54, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the "Key Achievements" section here needs a re-write. Basically it is a dis-jointed list of items that might be better in a list rather than being forced into a narrative paragraph. A number of the points mentioned (eg his Test and one-day batting rankings) are liable to change rather quickly which will necessitate a rapid re-write of a number of sentences. It will be easier to change a listed item. Any thoughts? Also I'm not sure that details of his batting technique fit into this section. They would be better in a section that discusses his playing style. --Perry Middlemiss (talk) 22:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

physical height
Come on guys, Ponting is not such a tall guy that you mention his height as 5'10"!! He is a bit tall than Sehwag who is 5'5 1/2" or 165 cm! Ponting could be around 168 - 170 cm. I changed his height to 168 cm only to find that some body ahs reverted it back to 178 cm. Shows that people don't mean sense all the time...I mean watch him on TV again and observe his height in comparison to players like Brett Lee, Hayden, Symonds (if he plays again) and you can see that he looks quite short when compared with the height of these players. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.132.250.12 (talk) 12:38, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a source supporting the height claimed in the article. Find a source for your claimed height and then we can have a discussion what height should be in the article. Until then, you can't just make up any height you like and stick it in the article; Wikipedia has rules against original research. Symonds is 187cm and Hayden is 188cm so is not surprising he looks small in comparison. However he is certainly taller than Tendulkar who has a claimed height of 5 ft. -- Mattinbgn\talk 19:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

He looks consistently 5'8/5'9 against 5'11 Andrew Strauss (it's on his page, so must have been sourced properly);

http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/aug2009/4/9/image-6-for-the-ashes-2009-fifth-test-day-one-gallery-783386713.jpg http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2009/7/7/1246978551882/Andrew-Strauss-and-Ricky--004.jpghttp://static.ecb.co.uk/images/670x455/mike-atherton-andrew-263775.jpg http://static.ecb.co.uk/images/width500/andrew-strauss-ricky-133499.jpg

I think it should be altered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.118.229 (talk) 22:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Balls faced and strike rate
What do you put in to add the balls faced and strike rate in the statistics area in the profile. Aaroncrick (talk) 05:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't believe it supports that function. SGGH ping! 12:22, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Achievements
In the achievements section I'll add more info and table in the near future.  Aaroncrick  ( Tassie Talk ) 10:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

File:Ponting_in_field.jpg may be deleted
I have tagged File:Ponting_in_field.jpg, which is in use in this article for deletion because it does not have a copyright tag. If a copyright tag is not added within seven days the image will be deleted. -- Chris  07:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm the uploader, and for some reason I didn't state where I got the image from. I'll try and find it in the next few days. All I know is that it's under a free license.  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 08:31, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Career moments
I think this section on career highlights is poor, and needs to be merged as prose, not bullet points, into the chronologically relevant sections on his career. I have tagged the article as such. SGGH ping! 13:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree, I intend to fix it.  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 13:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Merge discussion
Early life of Ricky Ponting should definitely be merged into this article. A lot of the content overlaps, albeit in less detail in this main article, so I don't see any reason for a separate article about his early life to exist. – PeeJay 19:01, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The main article is so big and needs to be pruned, and less core stuff is being removed from the main one  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 20:00, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that far too much detail has been included in the articles to begin with. I think that the pruning should continue, but that the Early life article should be merged in as well. – PeeJay 00:49, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Miller and the Waugh's have early life article so I think it's fine. Pruning/expanding will continue over the next few months.  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 03:32, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Harbhajan Singh Photo
Why is there a photo of Harbhajan Singh practising in a Ricky Pointing article?

Delete? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Besidesthepoint (talk • contribs) 00:36, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, shows the reader who Harbhajan is as he features a lot in the article.  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 09:59, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It'd make more sense for a picture of Singh to be put in the entry for Singh. Singh is linked when referred to here, so if a reader wants to know who he is, that is the correct approach. DermottBanana (talk) 01:26, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

too long article
This article is too long for wiki standard.
 * Yes it is. Trying to trim but it is very hard as he has had such a long career.  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 05:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I think someone needs to trim this article because it is too big. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enghinmatsci (talk • contribs) 11:59, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I wonder why Wiki is allowing such a long article without asking readers to trim it. It is not usually allowed. Even if one has very long career that can not justify length of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.54.78 (talk) 08:24, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Last Test Match
His last test was vs Pakistan on 14/1/10 not the West Indies, this needs changing. Dean25 (talk) 02:52, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect use of "whom"
editsemiprotected Just a simple edit that I would have done myself, had I been able to. In the section, "1995–1999: Early International career", there is an error in the fourth paragraph, towards the end- "Marsh continued his praise of Ponting, whom replaced a dropped Blewett". This should be who instead of whom. Cheers guys Aussicito (talk) 18:51, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅  Set Sail   For The   Seven Seas   296° 11' 30" NET   19:44, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Length of the article
This article is very long and looks like mini-biography. It should be reduced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.54.78 (talk) 08:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ping me with suggestions on what to remove. — Aaroncrick  ( talk )   09:56, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 91.106.167.224, 27 July 2010
editsemiprotected

Ponting stopped playing for Kolkata Knight Riders in 2008. It shouldn't be 2008 - present, it should just say 2008

91.106.167.224 (talk) 14:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --ANowlin: talk 03:30, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thankyou; will do.  Aaroncrick  TALK 03:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Bcnair, 28 July 2010
Please correct Sachin Tendulkar's number of centuries in the following paragraph from 47 to 48.

After being involved in over 139 Tests and 300 ODIs, Ponting is Australia's leading run-scorer in Test and ODI cricket, with more than 24,000 international runs as of February 2010. He has scored 39 Test centuries—behind only Indian Sachin Tendulkar (47)—and third for most runs in ODIs behind Tendulkar and Sanath Jayasuriya.

Bcnair (talk) 22:35, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.
 * Shearonink (talk) 23:06, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. Source for 48th Test century is here, although I'll look for something better. Nev1 (talk) 23:47, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

need to update the amount of runs ;) its 12026 now! that man is a machine!
12026 now!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.141.199 (talk) 21:05, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ricky, this is goutam

Can i have a photo with autograph... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.184.53.192 (talk) 10:17, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

hi...........
Hi Ricky, this is goutam

Can i have a photo with autograph... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.184.53.192 (talk) 10:22, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * He doesn't read this article. You may be better to leave a message for him at this link. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 11:09, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Imarvind, 6 January 2011
edit semi-protected

Pl edit "He has scored 39 Test centuries—behind only Indian Sachin Tendulkar (50)" to reflect "He has scored 39 Test centuries—behind only Indian Sachin Tendulkar (51), and South African Jacques Kallis (40)"

Andy (talk) 07:57, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done -Atmoz (talk) 21:58, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Jaju.sanket, 17 March 2011
Ricky ponting - Arrogant, Criticism, controversy, Disrespectful nature.

Jaju.sanket (talk) 02:50, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The section Ricky Ponting would seem to address your concerns. Do you believe any more is needed? HiLo48 (talk) 06:57, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Not done: Even if that stuff is true, its a blatant NPOV and BLP violation, and we would never add words like "arrogant" to an article except as part of a quotation. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:09, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Vhrocks, 29 March 2011
He is now the former captain.

Vhrocks (talk) 02:19, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done since yesterday. — Bility (talk) 16:36, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Good article
I think this is a good article, why doesn't any one nominate it for GA, i think it will fulfill the GA criteria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bineetojha (talk • contribs) 05:33, 22 February 2012 (UTC) |BINEET| 05:35, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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