Talk:Ride the Lightning/Archive 1

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i think it should be mentioned that the original ride the lightening Lps contained a thick stock fan club membership insert. "Metal Militia Membership" 1 year membership.....insert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.165.107 (talk) 13:46, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Metallica is NOT AMERICAN
Metallica is a German band! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.66.174 (talk) 17:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * They are American. Unless you are vandalizing the talk page, you should know that they are all american. Jonah Ray Cobbs 21:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)JRC3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by JRC3 (talk • contribs)


 * With the exception of Lars ofcourse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.118.130.21 (talk) 16:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes, I forgot to mention Lars's Danish decent. Either way, To 88.113.66.174, find any source you can, 100% guaranteed you won't find supporting details of Metallica being German.-Jonah Ray Cobbs 00:50, 8 June 2010 (UTC)JRC3

Dude, Metallica are from California, except Lars. --Blaguymonkey (talk) 03:49, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

True, but besides that, Kirk Hammett is half Filipino.117.195.34.13 (talk) 13:04, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Fade to Black
Lots of poor information here, particularly that "Misc. Information" part. This needs to be cited or deleted.

I heard somewhere that Metallica got over 2000 letters from fans who decided not to kill themself after listening to "Fade to B

I do need to say that per James H himself Fade to Black was written about the theft of one of their Marshall Stacks, back in the pre kill 'em daysUnseemlyWeasel 02:37, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

where'd ya hear that? --Blaguymonkey (talk) 05:43, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Pure Rubbish
This and all the other Metallica articles are utter, poor rubbish (dogshit would be a more appropriate word). They contravene NPOV all over the place, and are riddled with unsourced statements. Original research is also all over the place - all the lyrical interpretations need proper sourcing and everything. LuciferMorgan 16:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I think a good place to start the clean-up is to remove all the "controversy" sections. They're really just pointing out that -- gasp -- people have different reactions to the same album, and -- gasp -- some of them go ahead and express a negative reaction.  If different reactions to the same album was a rare thing, then I think a "Controversy" section would be justified.  However, since everyone has an opinion and everyone is affected differently by an album, there's really no controversy at all.  Such sections are simply useless. Pillsbur 02:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Escape/Fight Fire with Fire
Who deleted the article for Escape? Could someone write it again?

Escape isn't a notable enough song to have it's own article. Maybe Creeping Death and FWTBT but not Escape. Not that good of a song anway. Also, I noticed someone made an article for Fight Fire with Fire, but it wasn't very good, so I cleaned it up a bit. It is slightly more formal, but I'm not aware of the finer points of Wikipedia, so someone else should pick it up a bit more. Someone might just delete it, but I think there is enough info out there to make it a complete article.

That's fucked up, guys. Every song should have its own page.


 * On a related note, "Fight Fire With Fire" SHOULD NOT redirect to this article. The saying is much more well known than this song. 68.201.124.154 (talk) 04:28, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

In the 'Fight Fire with Fire' subsection, why does this portion have italicized parts?
 * The song encourages the eye for an eye approach, and its lyrical themes focus on revenge and Armageddon, resulting in the end of the world. 5donuts (talk) 22:19, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

cover
wheres the damn cover?

Chart positions
It says #1 one the Billboard 100 but theres no way that can be right does anyone have the actual numbers? Coyote sprit —Preceding comment was added at 21:13, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Metallica's eponymous 1991 album was their first album to debut at #1 on charts, and every studio album of theirs released thereafter debuted that same position. According to the band's website, Ride the Lightning debuted at #100.Jonah Ray Cobbs 20:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)JRC3  —Preceding unsigned comment added by JRC3 (talk • contribs)

Ride the lightning
Is anyone aware of the bullshit article you reach if you type ride the lightning without capitals (as most people usually do)? Shouldn't it just take you to this one?--Jeff79 (talk) 07:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. Fixed.--Jeff79 (talk) 18:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Cliff Burton didn't do backing vocals, I own the CD, I checked
I removed the referance that he did backing vocals.

Ace Fighter (talk) 00:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

then who did? --Blaguymonkey (talk) 05:44, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Song info Section
I think someone should add a song info section, as can be found on the page Kill 'Em All. Instead of the constant debates about what song deserves its own page, it would be cleaner and more prudent to have song section in each album —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.209.246.225 (talk) 22:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

The Call of Ktulu
This song's name is obviously based on H.P. Lovecraft's The Call of Cthulhu. I want to add it as misc. information, but there is no such section and I don't think it's wise to open a new section just for that...

Call of Ktulu and more
I've added a section called song info section As it will help clean up the discussion on which songs should get a page. Not only that but I didn't find on here that Escape is the only song off the album Ride The Lightning metallica has never performed live. So I will include said information about escape and Call of Ktulu in the new section.

I also lowered the Track Listing down to right above Charting positions Simply to clean up the look of the article.

And again, I decided to incorporate the Covers Section into the Song info, as does the article Kill 'Em All, which will clean up the article

Maelstromlusby (talk) 04:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

This entire article
is way too redundant. Is it really necessary to have lengthy descriptions of the songs on this album and still have a link to an entirely separate page for them as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.194.42.126 (talk) 04:33, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

ride the dream
i think it may be appropriate to note that the title track is actually about a man who dreams about his impending death by electric chair and wakes at the moment of his execution, as opposed to actually being killed.

tilde99.103.116.165 (talk) 21:53, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

groove metal
can you please add the genre 'groove metal' to this album. Most songs are thrash metal but some also show elements of groove metal. the first song, fight fire with fire begins with a clean intro but later moves onto a groove metal influenced thrash riff which is played really fast and has a groovy feel. The second song 'ride the lightning' also has some of the grooviest guitar playing. the 3rd song is mainly thrash metal but the part which comes at about 55 seconds has a groove metal guitar riff. Other notable songs would be 'escape' and 'trapped under ice'. Would you like to re-consider the genres?. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.245.168.156 (talk) 17:34, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

what are you talking about? this ain't groove metal, if this is groove metal than Justin Bieber is thrash metal. --Blaguymonkey (talk) 05:45, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Shut up you justin bieber freak. I gave appropriate reasons why this album could be classes as groove metal. But can you give a proper explanation why that gay (justin) is thrash metal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.118.252.17 (talk) 15:45, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

First of all—I am not a Justin Bieber "freak", I could care less about him. Second—I said that kind of as a joke, so calm down, I never said Justin Bieber was thrash metal. Basically, I was trying to say that this album is not "groove metal" at all—and that if it is, Justin Bieber is thrash metal—it was just a joke. And by the way, you cannot add your personal opinions to Wikipedia—that includes genres. If you can find a reliable source for "groove metal", you can add it, but just because you think it is "groove metal" does not mean you can add it to Wikipedia. So just find a reliable source (many editors on Wikipedia (including me) do not think of Allmusic as a reliable source for genres, so if you use Allmusic (I do not think Allmusic lists Ride the Lightning as "groove metal", but anyways), try to find another source to "back it up". --Blaguymonkey (talk) 23:32, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Steve Huey of Allmusic said that Ride the Lightning featured "extended, progressive epics; tight, concise groove-rockers".

So? How about this as a source? it mentions 'groove-rockers'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.254.203.148 (talk) 11:22, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Allmusic is, in my opinion, not a reliable source. It categorizes albums under several different genres to "keep everyone happy" and because "the more genres, the better", this is not a proper way to label music. So like I said before, use Allmusic as a source, just find another one to "back it up". --Blaguymonkey (talk) 06:04, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

"Ride The Lightning" voted best thrash metal album of all time by DECIBEL Magazine
"Ride The Lightning" was voted best thrash metal album of all time by DECIBEL Magazine in their Thrash Metal Hall of Fame Special Issue in November 2011. I guess this should be mentioned somewhere in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.26.130.189 (talk) 08:08, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Singles from Ride the Lightning
Singles from Ride the Lightning
 * 1) Creeping Death (released on November 23, 1984)

"Fade to Black" and "For Whom the Bell Tolls" are not singles. --SuperVirtual (talk) 12:16, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Protest
I am so displeased with the way this article is being managed. Who is this Blaguymonkey to say which song is good and which sucks. Let all songs from the album have special articles. Maybe someone is interested to read more information about Escape or the other deleted songs.--95.156.10.43 (talk) 19:19, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The likely reasons the articles were deleted is because the songs by themselves were just not notable enough and/or they lacked reliable sources. It has nothing to do with which songs "suck" or not. Not every song needs to have its own article. Hope I answered your concerns.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 19:32, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Here's my opinion. I noticed that all of the other 7 songs had their own section on this page. It seemed unfair and childish to put away just that one. I know that Metallica never perform Escape live, but information about the song structure, it's lyrics and meaning shouldn't be forbidden. If someone doesn't want to read about the song, he/she can skip and go forwards.--62.162.219.67 (talk) 08:09, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * If you can provide reliable sources about song structure and lyrics, it can be included. Wikipedia isn't for opinion or editors interpretation of a song.  This article requires cleanup and removal of unsourced infomation anyway. Being that the album was released in 1984 there is a significant lack of web resources, which is why there is a lack of detail on this article. The1337gamer (talk) 13:00, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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