Talk:Right to be forgotten

Research
Whole section sounds like a really contrived advertisement for this Oblivion software. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.144.157.51 (talk) 18:04, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Google vs. Gonzalez
I think the name of the man that the recent legal decision was decided for should be in this article. he is his own streisand effect.108.94.3.58 (talk) 15:02, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * WalledGardenDefender (talk) 00:45, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Pablo Palazzi 17:38, 11 June 2014 (UTC) the mention of the argentinean references in this article are incorrect, it has nothing to do with the RTBF — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pabloandrespalazzi (talk • contribs)
 * Seems OK to me. I checked this reference http://www.law.emory.edu/fileadmin/journals/eilr/27/27.1/Carter.pdf in the Bibliography and it seemed to me both on-topic and useful, the text remarks depending on it. RR 2014 (talk) 18:00, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Tom Carstairs
Regarding the lead image, there is no evidence that the take down request was properly a "right to be forgotten" request. Costeja simply establishes that search engines are responsible for their links as data providers. The so-called "right to be forgotten" was in fact not established by the ruling and is just one of a number of grounds for requesting take downs.

It worries me that this is a so-called self-referential edit protecting Wikipedia's interests (as perceived by some and not necessarily excluding one of its founders). Needless to say I have no intention whatsoever of intervening, forewarned by others of the ruinous effect of intervening in such edits. However (hopefully), it cannot be harmful to point out the facts. RR 2014 (talk) 01:15, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. I think it is POINT-y and cruel and unwise to use this photo in any encyclopedia article, and particularly this one.  There is no reason to punish whoever the subject of this photo is (we have little evidence, and there is some argument that we are not even sure of the license status).  I am removing it on BLP grounds pending further discussion here.  Please let's not put it back here without a strong consensus to do so.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 10:33, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm sure that's sensible (I mean removing it on BLP grounds), and I saw your remarks about it on your Talk page as well. It's an odd case and I think you're right to say it doesn't have much significance for the debate. RR 2014 (talk) 18:21, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I totally agree with Jimbo on this and I applaud him for taking the initiative to remove the image from the article. I honestly came expecting to see a huge fight/argument. I'm rather glad there isn't one. The image's copyright is also under dispute (on its own page.) JMP EAX (talk) 02:00, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Melvin v. Reid
In the section on the U. S. A. there's reference to the Melvin v. Reid case, with a link to a Wikipedia page of that name - but that page is a redirect back to this page. Was there, and should there be, a page for this case, and if not, shouldn't the link be removed? Wocky (talk) 08:44, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. The redirect is what we call a and could one day become an article. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:59, 16 October 2014 (UTC).

Right to be forgotten and non-personal information
Google has removed hundreds of links of our website about corporate information. This information only relates to the business scope of company directors in the United Kingdom and Spain, and it's not considered personal information under the Data Protection Acts of the two countries. Fortune Magazine covered this story in October 2014, and it was mentioned again in the Wall Street Journal blog as a risk for investors. This is an example of using the Right to be Forgotten to remove information that could be considered relevant, such as a recent director appointment in a company. Google continues to remove URLs from our site. Is this information relevant for the article?

EA 999 (talk) 23:34, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think it is relevant. I've added the following in the criticism section: "Such removal can impact the accuracy and ability of businesses and individuals to carry out business intelligence, particularly due diligence to comply with antibribery, anticorruption, and know your customer laws.[ref] The right to be forgotten was invoked to remove from Google searches 120 reports about company directors published by a Spanish company which compiles such reports about private company directors, consisting entirely of information they are required by law to disclose;[ref][ref] Fortune magazine examined the 64 reports relating to UK directorships, finding that in 27 (42%) the director was the only person named, in the remaining only the director and co-directors were named, and 23 (36%) involve directorships started since 2012.[ref]" AHeneen (talk) 00:15, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for including that information. Regarding removed urls, there is an external link about removed URLs "hiddenfromgoogle.com". We tried at first to send our lists of removed URLs to that site but it's no longer updated. So we published our own lists and they are the basis for the Fortune article. Maybe they are relevant too: Removed links from UK directors and Removed directors from Spain The lists are updated daily, and they are going to include more countries soon. We have more than 10 million directors of 4 countries in our databases, and we have to deal with many data protection conflicts every day, including Right to be Forgotten requests and hundreds of requests for deletion. As an important part involved in the Right to be Forgotten conflict and due to the relevancy of our company shouldn't be named (or have a Wikipedia entry)? Please forgive my boldness, I'm new at Wikipedia. I've read all the guidelines and considering our media presence maybe we should have an entry, given that an editor agrees, of course. Best regards. Note: I've requested the creation of Dato Capital entry EA 999 (talk) 10:10, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

plagiarism, unreliable sources, possible copyright infringement
I've never tried to contribute, and I feel out of my depth here. Please advise.

First, I noticed various cosmetic flaws in the following text:
 * It is important to note, that currently, requests made by private persons under the EU ruling for information removal are just implemented by Google on European sub domains, such as Google.co.uk or Google.fr but not on Google.com. That’s not about to change, according to Eric Schmidt unless Google is compelled to escalate de-indexing to .com by the ECJ in the future.[25]

I was about to correct the flaws, but then I noticed that it was almost identical to its cited source. I would have simply marked it with, but the paraphrased source was unreliable, and was itself ripped from a copyrighted TechCrunch article. Even after two very thin layers of paraphrasing, the Wikipedia version seems to infringe on AOL's copyright, though the writer may not have been aware.

I imagine the steps to take are to: For now, I just deleted the text to avoid copyright issues.
 * 1) rewrite the quoted text to have sufficiently original wording
 * 2) cite the TechCrunch article
 * 3) check the rest of the article for plagiarism, unreliable sources, etc.

Thank you, anyone, for helping! --Josiahmcclellan07 (talk) 09:10, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Contribution interest
Hi everyone, I was interested in making mention of how this movement is also gaining traction in Canada due to a recent legal decision in a case here. Some links that discuss it are here: http://canliiconnects.org/en/commentaries/44785 (Legal website which discusses case law) http://www.arma.org/r1/news/canadian-policy-brief/2017/02/08/canadian-court-opens-door-to-right-to-be-forgotten (Non-profit organization which deals with professional information management, and extendedly data and privacy, as well.) http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2017/02/did-a-canadian-court-just-establish-a-new-right-to-be-forgotten/ (Michael Geist is a legal expert, with specific expertise in the area of technology and law.) 100937852S (talk) 23:47, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Google Google Google
This document mentions 'Google' 116 times. Now Google is a good example, but this feels a bit over the top. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.149.135.124 (talk) 12:46, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, Google is mentioned 70 times in the article body, which seems fine when you consider their involvement and read the article. Are you suggesting that some of the mentions should be removed, or just letting us know how you feel?
 * The section on Europe contains a single two-line paragraph that in a vague handwavy way says something about the European version of this right, and then talks at length about how one party (Google) interprets and handles that. I'm not sure that explains *anything* at all about the European right, and am tempted to remove it... 197.89.183.63 (talk) 20:13, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * In future please append comments to the bottom of talk pages and sign your comments using four tildes . You might also wish to consider creating an account, otherwise comments like the one above are likely to be ignored as non-constructive soapboxing. Regards,  nagual  design   14:02, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Linkedin Case - South Africa
Although an interesting story, as it is not related to "right to be forgotten" and also no verifiable source, I removed:

South Africa
A recent court judgement in South Africa forcing a former employee of a company to update his LinkedIn profile also exemplified the question, if companies should have control over what we do on social media. “This was highlighted by the high court in Pretoria yesterday in the case of a city estate agent who was ordered to correct his employment history on professional social media site LinkedIn. The court gave Willem van der Schyff five days within which to remove the details of former employer Daniel Crous Auctioneers from his LinkedIn profile, as it was misleading.

Article seems to be rubbish.
This is an awful article. It confuses and for some unknown reason fails to distinguish between personal behavior* (or images, facts) and private behavior (and images, facts, etc.). It describes the subject concept incorrectly, at least as far as what the European Commission has to say. I don't disagree that Freedom of Speech is in conflict with requiring "forgetting", but the major criticism - not present here! - is that historical behavior of a person is the BEST guide to future behavior. It is not up to the relevant jurisdiction whether or not any public behavior is "minor" or "insignificant" or "no longer relevant". That should be obvious. It is also simply obfuscatory to say that a person's 20 yr old (say) bankruptcy is or is not relevant to evaluate that person's character. Using that information to make a decision (whether it is to offer that person a job, a loan, or let him/her babysit your kids) depends on the type of decision AND the strength of the link between behavior X (then) and behavior Y (now). At least, that is a typical USA perspective, imho. (* it is also not the case that a person's professional behavior is "personal" and should be forgotten upon request.OTOH, what is public and private is much more difficult to untangle with today's on-line social media.)98.21.221.175 (talk) 16:29, 7 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I came to this page after linking to it from the "Privacy" page, and I completely agree with this; I feel very uncomfortable linking to it from "Privacy". One part I found particularly revealing: "As of 2011, there were few protections against the harm caused by incidents such as revenge porn sharing, or by pictures uploaded due to poor judgment." "Poor judgement" appears absolutely nowhere in the citation, and is an element of active propaganda denying the harm of revenge porn. I've added an NPOV marker to the whole article for now, and I don't think it should be removed without serious effort to rewrite multiple sections, which I don't currently have the energy to research myself after doing the same for the "Privacy" page. Lcdrovers (talk) 05:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Section on Oblivion
This section sounds like marketing and I think it should simply be removed. But I'll wait a bit in case it's more important than I realize right now.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 18:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

News story from Germany
This story probably needs to be worked into the article somehow, though I'm not the person to do it. —Mahāgaja · talk 07:12, 30 November 2019 (UTC)