Talk:Ring binder/Archives/2013

Mead
This stub is little more than an advertisement for the Mead Corporation. Lord Charlton 06:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It wasn't when I started the thing! (I'm a little nostalgic; this was my first page creation, trivial as it is.)  It's also at least factually misleading, since the interlocking ring half scheme described goes back at least as far as I can remember looking at ring binders and 20 years isn't very "recent."  Looking at the history, Vsoulremix added the Tru-Lock and Mead stuff on the 18 August 2006 revision, breaking the original one paragraph stub in two to insert that, and added things about covers.  I'm going to do some slash-and-burn editing on this and see what happens; post a second opinion, okay?  Wyvern 09:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * PS, could someone please add a good explanation of the lever arch system? Or even a bad one? Wyvern 10:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

The lever arch system is not as popular in the US. It is a 2 ring mechanism and is usually used for archival items such as bills of laden in shipping, computer data storage, accounting etc, not for daily in/out use like a three ring binder. The "lever" keeps the sheets down close to the back cover when the rings are not full, the rings themselves are "arches" to hold a lot of sheets but not make the covers extremely wide. TXsunshine 22:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Sheet lifter
Wouldn't mind a bit of info on this - those black plastic things that come in a binder are called sheet lifters and I guess they're supposed to help prevent page tearing. Any one know any more? --198.82.22.197 20:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Sheet lifters come in black and natural (milky white), made out of rigid plastic or poly (they can be made in custom colors too by some manufacturers). The most basic width is 2.5" curved, but they also come in 5" flat and 8.5" flat. Standard lifters for round ring binders are 2 curved, for D rings its a single flat. A sheet lifter will increse the life of the sheets of paper by keeping the first and last sheets from getting stuck under the ring mechanism base, which is what tears them most rapidly. They won't keep all the sheets from tearing at the holes, just those at the base of the ring if they get stuck, but not from tearing from use/turning pages etc. TXsunshine 22:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Chinese Translation
Is that page really about ring binders, or a machine?
 * Agree, that link to the ZH page is not about the same kind of ring binder folders, it's about those wire coil binding machines. --SnakeSeries (talk) 11:14, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

US then ROW?
Should this "The most common type in the United States is a three ring system for letter size pages (8½ × 11 in), whereas most other countries use a two or four hole system for holding A4 sheets." be something like "Most countries use a two or four hole system for holding A4 sheets although in the United States a three ring system for letter size pages (8½ × 11 in), is most common."? 137.44.1.200 23:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Ring binder manufacturers in the USA always list the binding edge measurement first, so letter size should always read 11" x 8 1/2". If you ask a manufacturer for an 8 1/2" x 11" you'll get a landscape binder. TXsunshine 22:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Hole punch has good content on the hole systems. This article, otoh has two pictures of "three ring" binders, and no standard ones at all. 85.23.14.247 10:03, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The three-ring system is standard in the USA; however, you're right that illustrations of the A4 system should be included too. However, I don't have such an image.  Do you?  Wyvern 02:10, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Egyptian binders? What?
Who's Barbara Haydock and what does she know about the history of ring binders? This looks exceedingly dubious, but I'm not going to rip it out just because it has a bad odor about it. Does anyone know what this is about?
 * Indeed it does. I've removed it:  According to Barbara Haydock of Guiseley the first example of the ring binder is thought to have been a loose leaf papyrus folder made from the dried bark of date trees during the fourth dynasty of the old kingdom of ancient Egypt (Cheops).  Wyvern 07:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised that the Mormons haven't laid claim to the invention of these things see this museum piece over to the right the image in the article. Does anybody know when they were invented or date from? Albatross2147 (talk) 02:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

As grace note much later, it seems this basic idea really was used to bind books together in the ancient world, although not in the temporary fashion we use ring binders today. There's been a discovery of books made of small lead plates fastened together with loops of wire: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1371290/70-metal-books-Jordan-cave-change-view-Biblical-history.html The permanence makes this more properly about book binding, similar to sewn books. Wyvern (talk) 20:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Isn't binder pronounced /bīn–der/, not /bin–der/? JPJMendes (talk) 16:06, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It certainly is by me at any rate. Perhaps the pronunciation should be given in IPA? Does anyone know how to do this? Louiskennedy (talk) 03:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)