Talk:Ringette/Archive 1

Shoulder Pads
"Some players at higher levels choose not to wear them". Okay, where did you get this info from, please? And when you are playing at a higher level, like AA, shouldn't that be mandatory? Disinclination 08:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

They are mandatory at all levels, however at B and C (Rec.) Open levels, they often do not wear them, as it's at a recreational level.WotGoPlunk 16:54, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Some players in higher age groups choose not to wear them but not nessesarily higher skill level.

Sorry, but Shoulder pads are not mandatory at all levels, even if you think they should be mandatory. Players don't wear them to gain more ease of movement and speed. Also at higher levels players are not prone to accidental collisons. see link for required/optional equipment: Pepsik8 17:12, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Discarded hockey sticks
"The first sticks used were hockey sticks where the blade had broken off in play. Possibly the game was invented as a way of utilizing what would normally be discarded." Cite please. I don't see how its relevant to the current equipment category, anyways. Deleted, unless you'd like to bring it back with a cite. Thanks. :) Disinclination 04:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Penalties
Tripping is where a player trips an opposing player using their skate or stick, either on purpose or by accident. Body Contact is a penalty for excessive body contact with an opposing player, both within or outside the play. Unsportsmanlike Conduct includes playing after the whistle, verbal abuse towards the referees or opposition, and may be also given to a member of team staff. Unsportsmanlike penalties are "fully served" i.e. when a goal is scored, the player is not let out of the box. Holding is holding a player with hands, or with the stick. Slashing is the hitting of a opposing player with the stick. High Sticking is where the stick is raised above the waist.

If the opposing team scores a goal, then one player from the team the goal was against, is let out of the penalty box. However, if both teams are of equal strength when the goal is scored, then both players remain in the box. A team is only permitted three penalties at a time.

Is it really neccessary to outline the penalties in detail? Most of them are pretty self explanatory... Pepsik8 18:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Stubbing
Much/most of the text here was a copyvio from the ringette.ca site, thus the stubbing. Feel free to expand without copy/pasting text wholesale. --badlydrawnjeff talk 16:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

To-do List
I can probably get a few pictures, although it won't be for awhile, and I can't guarentee anything. Of course, uploading any picture extremely confuses me, but eh. Another thing needed would be equipment. One thing that I did add, without copy+pasting it, was about the Exel stick ban in Ringette. The link is still somewhat referenced on the page. We also need the levels of Ringette, as well. I can't get on this right now, cause I need sleep. Heh. :) Disinclination 08:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I could probably handle the pictures. I have friends that play or played ringette and I'm sure they would give me permission. As for the actual uploading... hehe, well we'll just have to see how that turns out. Good suggestion on the Equipment, I can't believe I didn't think of that. Unfortunately I have to sleep as well, so I'll get to some of this tomorrow. --Thereen 09:28, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Another thing about the levels of play, where do you think we should add that? I suppose it could fit under the Rules section, but it could definately be its own, especially with an explanation of why the the levels were combined to make open. I think I might actually go back and grab that section, and reword it a little. I've honestly never seen it on any other site than Wikipedia, but in any case, I will reword it, and whevner we want to put it, we can just put it there. Disinclination 21:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Well.. it seems I cant take a look at previous versions... Gah. Oh well. I'll try and do it by hand. Disinclination 21:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Boys in Ringette
Oh yes. That ever touchy subject. Well, if you've played for more than a year. Anyways, I was just wondering if we should put it up somewhere on the page, quite simply because first off, Ringette is a girls sport only, but boys have played. I was told that boys can play at any position at the Bunnies level, but after that, they can only play goal. I can say that boys WERE allowed to play in my city's league (and a few others, over the years) here in Manitoba. They both played goalie. Just thought I should throw this out. Disinclination 21:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * There's a boy who plays goal for ringette in my town as well, but I have no idea where to get a reference for that... --Thereen 23:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I've tried finding anything to it.. and nothing. I suppose this is some sort of recreational exception. But there isn't a mention of men playing at the AA or above level at Nationals or something. Hmm. Disinclination 23:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I still play ringette at Junior level, not in goal, as a boy. How it's done in Ontario is that boys are not permitted to play at A or AA level, but may play at B or C. There is also another boy in Belle, another in Tween, two in Petite, 4 in Novice, and several at Bunny. Nowhere to refernce that though.WotGoPlunk 19:39, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Re-adding things in.
Mostly just for personal use, but this is for stuff to be re-added into the article. Disinclination 22:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Centre A Centre is usually a player who is allowed to go into both "ringette zone"s, meaning they, along with two other defence, enter past the ringette line. The Centre is usually the only offensive player to enter the "ringette zone". Status: Not added in

"When a ring is stuck between two players sticks, the ring is given to the team that had their stick in second at the closest free pass circle. This is the most common call to be awarded to the wrong team, due to the uncertainty of whether a player actually has their stick in the ring." Status: Added in

"At the beginning of the first period the Away team starts with the ring, in the centre free pass circle. In general, the defence takes the ring, and passes up to the centre and wingers, or to the other defence who is waiting behind the circle. This is called a 'safety net' pass. At the beginning of the second period, the Home team gets the ring, so neither team has an advantage. A free pass is awarded after a goal, penalty, or other stoppage of play. Some of the other rules pertaining to the free passes include time restrictions (The player has five seconds to pass or shoot) and mobility restrictions (No one may enter the circle until the ring leaves, and the ring carrier may not leave the circle. Many teams get around this by bouncing the ring off another players skate, allowing the ring taker to leave the circle.)" Status: Added in

Equipment used in ringette is similar to that used in hockey. Differences include pants and a girdle, as oppposed to hockey pants and socks, and a different cage attached to the helmet. Many players do wear hockey pants and socks, but the cage is a safety issue. The ringette cage has smaller holes than the hockey cage, and the holes are shaped more like triangles. This is to stop the tapered, narrow sticks from penetrating it.  Girdle- padded shorts  Knee pads- shin protection  Pants- worn over top of girdle and shin pads, similar to track pants. Usualy in black or blue, players can also invest in pants with team coloured bands at the ankles. This is more common among higher level/ rep teams. Chest protecter/shoulder pads- upper body armor with hard shoulders and softer foam over ribs.  Elbow pads- worn to protect elbows  Gloves- Hockey gloves. Mainly black, but some players are chosing pink...  Hemlet- DONT GO ON THE ICE WITHOUT THIS! cranial protection  Cage- Attached to the helmet, protects face  Jersey- Worn over gear, same as hockey.  Neck guard- foam collar worn to protect neck, mandatory.  Skates- don't try to play without these:  Stick- Straight, narrow, tapered shaft with a plastic or metal tip. Newer sticks are made with ridged plastic tips to aide in "raising" the ring during shots. Old school: New fangled:

Goalies use the same equipment as in hockey Status: Not added in

"The penaltys are the same as in hockey except for the fact that there is no bocychecking aloud. Goalies can not bring the ring into there crease or pick the ring up outside of there crease that is classified as a delay of game penalty." Status: Added in

Summary
A basic summary of the game would be a useful addition to this article. As one who is utterly unfamiliar with this game, and not particularly inclined to read the entire article in an attempt to piece it together, it's hard for me to understand how the game is played. Please view the first paragraph of soccer, polo, hockey or tennis for examples of a good opening paragraph.
 * Septegram * Talk * Contributions * 15:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

What is the point of Ringette
I read the whole article and I still don't have a clue what Ringette is. Please add more information, like what is the objective of the players in the game. Gary van der Merwe (Talk) 12:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

2009 editing
I've performed the requested clean-up of Section 1, the rules overview. (I've also moved the story on the Canada commemorative stamp last, as this is an encyclopedia, not a newsletter.)

Certain things remain unclear to me, and I may even have introduced error, as I know plenty about English and rules but nothing about Ringette. These cases are noted by in-line comments in the article. Other editors may further clarify in the article, or on this page and I'll try to devise suitable wording. --Spike-from-NH (talk) 15:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

World Championships
How about adding something of World Championships, now that the games are just beginning here? Or that's how they are called here in Finland (MM-kisat or maailmanmestaruuskisat). There was also some history mentioned: previous games were in 1990, 1992, 1994, 1996, 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2007. And then there's the medalist's and Finland's placement. 82.141.95.168 (talk) 01:22, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Did a little checking and found: http://www.ringette.cc/id105.htm. There they are if somebody is not busy enough. 82.141.95.168 (talk) 01:29, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The article had a section on the world championships but it was blanked by a vandal in July. I re-added the results in a more standard medalists-only wikitable. Prolog (talk) 22:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


 * That's better. 82.141.119.188 (talk) 11:22, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Game Section
Having a specific "game" section similar to the ice hockey layout might flow a bit better Instead of "Overview", a section labeled "Game" might have better flow than the current broken-apart sections:

Ringette is player on an ice rink. The rink dimensions and markings are compatible with ice hockey marking with the following exceptions:


 * The goal crease is larger (8 foot radius)
 * A solid line is drawn dividing the offensive zone into 2 parts on the outer-edge of the faceoff circles

During normal play, there are six players per side on the ice at any time, one of them being the goaltender, each of whom is on ice skates. The object of the game is to score goals by shooting or directing a rubber ring into the opponent's goal net, which is placed on opposite ends of the rink. The players control the ring using long sticks with tapered ends or grooved plastic tips.

Players may redirect the ring with any part of their bodies, subject to restrictions. Players may not hold or cover the ring with their hands and may not kick the ring using the 'toe' of the skate. The ring may be passed by 'batting' the ring with their hands or kicking with the side of the skate, but a goal may not be scored in this manner unless unintentially redireted. The goaltender (or alternate-goalkeeper AGK in case of a substitution) has the privilege to hold and throw the ring as long as they are within the goal crease. The ring may not be thrown outside of the defensive zone or a violation may be assessed.

In Ringette, players must pass the ring across the blue lines. A player contacting the ring on both sides of a blue line before a player on either team contacts it will cause a violation penalty to occur and lose possession of the ring.

The offensive zones is divided by the free play line into two sections. The section closest to the goaltender is called the "restricted" zone. During normal play, each team is permitted 3 skaters in the restricted zone, plus the defending team's goaltender. During goalkeeper substitution, a team is permitted an additional skater. If a team has two or more players in the penalty box, that team is permitted one less skater in the restricted zone.

Ringette is a non-contact sport. Each player is entitled to occupy any non-restricted location on the ice and has the duty to avoid contact and provide 'time and space' for an opponent to do the same. Failure to avoid contact may result in 'body contact' or 'interference' penalties.

Movement of the ring is restricted by the blue lines, goaltender's crease, free-pass circles, and the boundaries of the ice rink. The ring must be passed across the blue lines. If a player contacts the ring on both sides of the blue line prior to a player of either team contacting it, a violation penalty occurs and the team loses possession of the ring. If a ring crosses both blue lines without a player contacting the ring, the team in violation may not control the ring and the opposing team is provided an opportunity to retrieve it. If the team delays in retrieving the ring, the violation may be waived-off and all players become eligible to play the ring.

The goaltender's crease is restricted to play by either the goaltender or AGK in case of a goaltender substitution. If a player on either team skates into or plays a ring located in the crease, a violation is assessed. The ring must be played by the goalkeeper and sent out of the crease within 5 seconds or the team loses possession of the ring. The goaltender may not play the ring on both the inside and outside of the crease unless another player has controlled the ring between.

Play begins with a free-pass. The ring is placed on a face-off circle dot and a single player from the team in control of the ring must pass the ring outside of the circle within 5 seconds. As with the goaltender's crease, no other players from either team are permitted to enter the circle and the ring must be played by another player before the player passing the ring out of the circle may play the ring again. In most cases where a free pass would be taken by the defending team in the defending zone, the free pass is substituted with a 'goalie ring'. The ring is given to the goaltender and play resumes immediately. Exceptions that would cause a 'defensive free-pass' instead of a goalkeeper's ring include cases where the stoppage in play would be prolonged (injury, time-out called, penalty, or ring out of play). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.73.56.243 (talk) 20:22, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Capital letters
There is a very inconsistent usage of "ringette" with a capital 'R' or with a lowercase 'r'. I'm not sure which one is correct. Qwerasdfzxcv1234 (talk) 05:45, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

strange language
In the world championship section: Having been defeated by the score 4-3 in extra time against Finland in 2000, Canada takes its revenge by taking him against his rival by the score 3-1 in front of an arena swamp with 4,000 supporters in Edmonton, Alberta.

Taking "him" against "his" rival? This is supposed be a women's sport, you know. But I think it is not appropriate to address a team even with "her"... Other strange sayings too: 3 countries are implied (1990), There are in competition two Canada teams (1992).

Maybe I should just correct them to what I think was meant. Can't be sure about all of them. 82.141.67.208 (talk) 14:54, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

"Wooden" Sticks
It says in the first paragraph that ringette sticks are wooden. They are, but can also be fiberglass (a stronger, more flexible material). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katycatlove (talk • contribs) 00:58, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

"Olympics" section
I question the inclusion of this in the article at all, as it has no sourcing. There is no realistic movement to include this sport in the Olympics because, even according to the article, it is only played in four countries outside of Canada, and only there by a relative handful of players, and there is no world governing body to promote it as an Olympic sport, either. It seems far more likely to be included eventually in something like the World Games than the Olympics, if even those. Also, the elevation of women's hockey to Olympic status would seem to have precluded Olympic status for this, just as there is no likelihood of netball becoming an Olympic event, since women's basketball is included in the Olympics. In short, this section reads like someone's wishful thinking rather than an encyclopedic approach to a real issue 2600:1004:B152:7609:A592:C778:907C:634 (talk) 21:51, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

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"biological" women
I don't believe we need to include "biological" in "played predominantly by biological women and girls", and I support its removal by user:Bsburke. I do not believe its removal was vandalism, or in bad faith as stated by user:CheckersBoard  Meters (talk) 18:58, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. This criticism I accept and appreciate because it is stated objectively. A quick glance at the initial editor's explanation for removal was blatantly antagonistic. CheckersBoard (talk) 18:59, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That does not make it "vandalism" or "bad faith". You don't consider your comments "antagonistic"? The editor also said it was "unnecessary", and I agree. Meters (talk) 19:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Please remain polite
Some recent editorial comments involving content removal have been outright unnecessary, insulting, and condescending. In order to keep wikipedia a constructive place to work, please be polite! Thanks :) and happy editing! CheckersBoard (talk) 14:59, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Be glad I didn't write what I really thought about your edits. My edit summaries were pretty lame, considering the issues you introduced in the article. Fram (talk) 15:03, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Hey Fram! Good news! You can shut up now! No one cares about your feelings and nasty moth. someone who is actually qualified did an amazing job editing the article, something you failed to do :) Now go bully some little kids online somewhere. Seems more your style. Cheers! CheckersBoard (talk) 05:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


 * For anyone else reading this, the article was indeed further improved after my edits (thanks!), but all my edits were kept in those further improvements: everything I removed from the article as written (mainly) by CheckersBoard, is still removed after the "amazing job". So I don't think these further edits are quite the approval of CheckersBoard's edits and disapproval of my edits... Fram (talk) 07:53, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi. I, the editor who actually did the 'amazing job', can comfirm the above. I would suggest that CheckersBoard educate themselves about Wikipedia's editing guidelines before criticising the work of others so harshly. These include citing, notability, consensus and the manual of style with regard to sections and leads; they may also include WP:OWN. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I have not yet participated in the current rewrite, but I fully support it. The article badly needed this work, and I thank Fram for starting it. CheckersBoard has been warned before about civility and personal attacks, and I strongly suggest that they keep that in mind in any further comments. Meters (talk) 18:18, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm the one being attacked. I have maintained civility overall despite what has been insinuated. Disagreement does not warrant insults levelled by editors such as Fram, who as it turns out, has also done the same to other editors on other articles. See Fram's talk page history. To the other editors: NO, Fram did not help here. All Fram did was remove content and made absolutely no further contribution to the article. The removals didn't even qualify as trimming and cleanup, it was largely about Fram's personal feelings, not editing. I have the right to participate and accept criticism, but I won't pretend uncivil behaviour from editors such as Fram who do this continually isn't something that doesn't warrant a curse response. Focus on the article, or find another one. Furthermore, Fram has changed the lead to state the sport was created for women. This is completely FALSE and inaccurate. NO ONE who had checked the FACTS would have made this error. I sourced the first rule book for this sport a long time ago, other editors can check for themselves. This sport was created specifically for the female sex, yes, but it was created for specifically for girls, female YOUTH, not adults, and yes, specifically for the female sex. The adult level came later. That is a fact, it is sourced. Now the lead is wrong and misleading. Fram obviously has a PERSONAL transgender agenda (this is ideologically based and about feelings, not facts) as they have made clear through their comments in their previous "edits". This is why Fram keeps removing "sex" and "girls" even though these are SOURCED, RECORDED FACTS. Fram also thought it would be clever to change the lead to say, "created originally for girls". What the hell does that even mean? Originally? It was created for girls. To use Fram's own words, "DUH". This personal issue Fram has, has no place in wikipedia when it comes to including factual information. Fram, get off your transgender altar and get over it. Ringette is a sport which was created for girls. Fact. This is not the place for your pet projects regarding historical revisionism. I'm long done being polite with this one individual, and while I appreciate criticism from other editors, and I under they are upset for other reasons, I won't pretend that overstating Fram's contributions here is the correct thing to do. Change the lead, the facts are there, Fram's personal feelings over the matter should have no bearing over the subject. Facts are facts. Go ahead and attack me all you want, have fun :) CheckersBoard (talk) 03:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


 * HERE: https://history.ringettecalgary.ca/rulebook/  "A Game on Skates for GIRLS". Youth. Female sex. Settled. Fram, get lost. CheckersBoard (talk) 03:27, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


 * What a magnificently absurd, juvenile, and biased response. Aside from everything else, the only altar here is the sanctimonius, self-martyring pyre you've erected for yourself. Please rethink this attitude before your block expires. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Too many mass edits
May have to request article protection article for a period before other editors have their efforts wiped out again. Unfortunate but necessary for a time. CheckersBoard (talk) 01:32, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Protection is not something that is applied to preserve one editor's preferred version in the face of good faith content disputes. There are significant issues in the article and the other editors appear to be addressing them. Meters (talk) 01:38, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry you feel that way. CheckersBoard (talk) 01:51, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thing is, it's not just them. You may want to have a look at WP:CON, WP:N, and quite possibly WP:OWN as well, . AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Got it. CheckersBoard (talk) 03:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Btw, here: https://history.ringettecalgary.ca/rulebook/  Fram keeps screwing up the lead. Girls, not women; female youth, female sex. CheckersBoard (talk) 03:30, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Lead
Post massive editor removals. Lead as of May 29, 2022 (but first paragraph was turned into a mess, tried to repair it, sources were removed):

Ringette is a girl's not non-contact winter team sport played on an ice rink using ice hockey skates, straight sticks with drag-tips and a blue, rubber, pneumatic ring designed for use on ice surfaces. Ringette is among a small number of organized team sports created exclusively for the female sex and is one of the fastest team sports on ice. Unlike women's ice hockey, ringette is not a variant of men's ice hockey, though it is often mistaken to be so. The sport was created in Canada in 1963, primarily due to the efforts of Sam Jacks and Red McCarthy. Ringette reached an all-time high of registered players in Canada in 2018 and involves over 50,000 Canadian participants annually. Growing interest in ringette has created problems when player demand has outstripped the local supply of indoor ice time.

The premier international competition for ringette is the World Ringette Championships (WRC). As of the 21st century, Canada and Finland have emerged as the sport's strongest nations. Ringette is now classified as an invasion sport by USA Hockey and has been designated a Heritage Sport by Sport Canada.

The game objective is to score more goals than the opposing team. Each goal is worth one point. Barring any penalties, teams have a total of six skaters on the ice at one time, one of whom is a goaltender. Body checking is not allowed whatsoever at any age level, boarding qualifies as a penalty, and fighting has a zero-tolerance policy. High-sticking is penalized. In ringette, there is no icing or offsides. A shot clock was introduced into the sport in the 21st century to stop teams who were in the lead from running out the clock. The sport is played on ice hockey rinks and while it uses some lines and markings used in the sport of ice hockey, it also uses ones created specifically for ringette. Players must pass over every blue line. Instead of faceoffs there are free passes from the circles, and players cannot enter the goalie's crease.

Ringette was first conceptualized in 1963 by the Canadian, Sam Jacks, after he had served as a soldier in the Canadian Armed Forces during World War II, where he had also been in charge of sports for South West England. Its off-ice variant is known as gym ringette. While the game has one organized off-ice variant, it has never developed a roller sport companion involving either inline skates or roller skates. Similarly it has never developed an organized skateless winter variant like the ice hockey variant, spongee. Ringette does not have a parasport variant.

The sport is most popular in Canada and Finland with both countries forming the top international teams, (Team Canada and Team Finland), coaches, officials, and female athletes on a regular basis. Internationally, half-a-dozen countries currently participate and organize in the sport with over 50,000 participants registering annually, with the largest community found in Canada. Ringette has spread to the United States, Finland, Sweden, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, and unofficially to the United Arab Emirates. Canadian enthusiasts have attempted to introduce ringette in South Korea. The World Ringette Championship is the premier, elite international competition for the sport. The annual Canadian Ringette Championships serve as Canada's premiere competition for the sport's elite amateur athletes. The sport is also a part of the Canada Winter Games program. CheckersBoard (talk) 18:25, 30 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Still too long in places, e.g. we don't need a complete run down of the rules in the lead. Nor so much detail on Jacks' life story.  But that looks like a major improvement on what we have right now,  I propose we go with this for now then work to tighten it up even further JeffUK (talk) 00:07, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I've made a start at this, removing some parts that were too much detail for a lead,  restructuring it so it starts with a high level overview of what Ringette is, removing all of the variants from the lead, and generally tidying it up throughout. JeffUK (talk) 12:05, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

No controversy: Girls and women exist, sex is NOT gender, historical record is accurate
This is not controversial. Lead reads: "Ringette is among a small number of organized team sports created for the female sex, in this case specifically for girls. "

This is well sourced, it is fact. It was created for young players, the adult level didn't exist until later. Beware of future edits to this one sentence because for some strange reason certain editors who have a "social agenda" keep coming back to change this ONE SENTENCE in this article and do nothing else. The words "sex" and "female" are not "outdated" as has been suggested. This is basic science. Thank-you for your co-operation and happy editing! :) CheckersBoard (talk) 16:53, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Read WP:NPA. I am not going to discuss this here, since this is clearly a conduct dispute. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:00, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

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Should maybe edit only one section at a time? Retrieving edits
Noticed today that when an editor edits more than one section at a time that a necessary revert can completely wipe out important changes they made in other sections. Trying to retrieve those specific edits and add those details back manually is unbelievably difficult. Just lost a ton of necessary edits made by another editor after I needed a revert for one specific section and now their time and effort has been wiped out as a result. It's frustrating to lose all of that. Just wondering if a section by section approach to article editing (except in the case of minor edits involving punctuation and typos etc.) may be better and can help avoid this problem. I think I'll try a sectional approach from now on. CheckersBoard (talk) 13:37, 8 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree that more precise revisions are needed. I invested a lot of time in editing this article, tightening wording, reducing passive voice, changing numbers to text, and other edits in keeping with prevailing manuals of style. It appears that you wiped out all my work because the lead-in (which I did not write) was too long. I am not pleased, but it's your article, so I leave you to it. I am moving on. Marshall2u (talk) 12:29, 16 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I apologize for that :O please come back and help is you can! The only reason the lead changed is because another editor stated it was too long. It's not my article, it needs work. CheckersBoard (talk) 21:48, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No one owns Wikipedia articles. If edits need to be made, it's careless to simply revert another editor's changes.  Do the work of making each individual change. ~TPW 17:46, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Split proposed
Don't quite know where the original section has gone, but I support the multiple splits outlined in the 'ringette by country' section. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:49, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I think we should split, Ringette Equipment and History of Ringette too. or heavily trim them here if sources cannot be found JeffUK (talk) 07:07, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems we went for option 2, I'm happy with that for now, there's no need to split at present.  If someone wanted to start a separate article for equipment and history, if there is enough content to be found from reliable sources to fill them, that would be fine too. JeffUK (talk) 18:54, 3 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Tried to split the section: Ringette by country. Started by creating a split article called "Ringette in Canada". Hope I did this right. Remaining section in this article probably could still use a bit of trimming, though I removed quite a bit. CheckersBoard (talk) 13:29, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I've removed the proposed split templates from the article as the remaining sections in question have been trimmed and there seems to be no need or support for splitting now. Meters (talk) 20:44, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I also support splitting the By country sections. I moved the important history parts moved up to the main history, and feel the rest should be trimmed to no more than three paragraphs, no subsections, no lists. It just seems to divert too much from the main topic and best belongs in separate articles like Ringette in Canada, Ringette in Finland, Ringette in Sweden, and Ringette in the United States.  However, I know it can be difficult to establish notability for women's sports in order to justify such stand-alone articles, so I've left the material in place for now. – Reidgreg (talk) 00:17, 3 September 2022 (UTC)