Talk:Rise (Katy Perry song)

Sources to use
Feel free to add more to this list Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:15, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * NBC Sports
 * Entertainment Weekly
 * Yahoo
 * Fuse
 * New York Daily News
 * Billboard

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2016
Rise was produced by Max Martin, Savan Kotecha and Ali Payami. The song has been written by Katy Perry and it is going to be featured on her upcoming album.

VassilisSide (talk) 14:38, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ Please provide a valid source. Check Wikipedia's policy on reliable sourcing. — I B  [ Poke ] 14:51, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Additionally, Katy has said that it isn't from any album. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:55, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism By Britney Fans Possible
A recent attempt to vandalize this page was published on breatheheavy.com. Considering the false edit was taken down almost immediately and almost immediately published on breatheheavy, it's quite possible that a Britney fan is responsible for trying to sabotage Perry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14B:4401:D5C0:9028:75B3:CB5C:3F24 (talk) 22:12, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

As you can see, they are quite happy with the juvenile stunt: http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/index.php?/topic/712939-who-did-this-screaming/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14B:4401:D5C0:9028:75B3:CB5C:3F24 (talk) 22:16, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

It was then almost immediately attacked again. Recommend that this page be locked to protect it from such attacks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14B:4401:D5C0:9028:75B3:CB5C:3F24 (talk) 22:24, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect description of review
It says -- The song received a mixed response from The New York Times's journalists Jon Pareles, Ben Ratliff and Jon Caramanica who deemed the song "limp", writing they feel "psyched" and "uneasy". It seems like it was only reviewed by Ratliff and the review seems more descriptive or positive than "mixed" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.9.80.201 (talk) 22:02, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Composition
Composition The song is written in the key of E♭ minor with a common time tempo of 101.5 beats per minute. Perry's vocals span from D♭4 to E♭5 in the song.

100.11.206.158 (talk) 09:05, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ and adding. — I B  [ Poke ] 10:24, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Release date
According to the itunes page, the song was released on the 15th, not the 14th. Johnnyboytoy (talk) 20:18, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The 14th is used as it was in fact the earliest form of release. Even if it was technically just released for streaming that night (iTunes might have a different time zone than other places), the earliest release is to be used. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 20:33, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

OK. Thank you. Johnnyboytoy (talk) 21:02, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Spotify affecting the song

 * The absurd escalation of the music streaming war, in one failed Katy Perry song. Might be a good chart analysis addition. — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 15:23, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It is an interesting piece for sure, though simply calling it a commercial failure as it suggests is misleading given how it reached #1 in Australia as well as the top ten in France, Hungary, Luxembourg, and Scotland. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 15:55, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It does not say commercial failure overall. It talks about Perry's standards and the commercial aspects of it. Plus it talks about a new direction in terms of the rise of streaming and the issues pertaining to it. Don't just blindly take the article at face value and ignore it, there are important points here that are beneficial. — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 21:04, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I noticed, just saying that it likely overlooked nations where it had more success. Streaming is heavily affecting its performance indeed. Trying to think of a good way to implement it. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 21:21, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * So that's why I'm saying, look at the streaming aspects of it which its reporting in a true way and add that, the other aspects we have already in source . — I B  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 21:30, 3 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I think it should be included in a neutral view, as "Qz website attributed its moderate performance, in comparison to Perry's previous singles, to the lack of promotion by Spotify. (...) The website noted that the track wasn't a part of the service's "Top Mainstream Hits" (don't remember if this is the exact name) at the time of its release, being included on it only a month later, on August 15, unlike many others released in the same time, which were featured in the service's main and most well-know playlists (...)". Don't know if it was helpful, it was just a consideration. I read the article and it could be on the "Rise" article., , if you are still interested on it, I suggest your opinions. Music01 (talk) 01:04, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * A neutral view definitely would be needed. Specific wording can be adjusted if necessary. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 01:32, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll read the article again later and I'll put my text right here. If you (and IndianBio maybe, if he's still interested) have any other suggestion, please say whatever you need. Music01 (talk) 18:03, 21 September 2016 (UTC)