Talk:Rise Against/Archive 1

Genre?
They are listed as Punk Rock with one reference, whereas Melodic Hardcore has three references? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.32.101.218 (talk) 15:46, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I beleive they consider themselves as American melodic Hardcore, they are too much mistaken as Punk or "Emo" (even though they may sound punk).Wumbla (talk) 03:02, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Punk?!? Srsly?? One word: LOL. Aces&amp;Eights (talk) 20:23, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I would not classify Rise Against as punk rock. I don't know precisely how they should be categorized, but "punk" strikes me as odd and inaccurate. --Humanist Geek (talk) 22:44, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

LMAO if you think Wikipedia is a "reliable source" for the genre of a band. Wikipedia also says Green Day, The Offspring and Blink 182 are "punk" bands, when clearly those bands are pop-alternative. Rise Against used to be punk, but now they're not punk, and who cares what Wikipedia thinks, you'll never see a Wikipedia sysop at a REAL punk show anyways. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.132.66 (talk) 15:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Someone should watch this page, there has been quite a bit of vandalism.... Kippkipp 22:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Deelawn - I'm not one to claim responsibility for any vandalism, but PETA supports vandalism through the ALF... so... it's likely there has been retaliation... common sense.

July 4 vs. July 11
Someone keeps changing July 11, 2006 to July 4, 2006 as the release date for their new album The Sufferer and the Witness. I follow the news at any punk website very carefully and there has been no evidence that it's coming out on July 4th. The news at Punkbands.com claims that it will be out on July 11th. From now on, I would like a source for July 4th, so this edit war can end or just leave the article how it is. As I said on Talk:The Sufferer and the Witness. 65.222.216.15 21:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Did you see the link I provided? It was link to their MySpace page which I feel is a legitimate source. If that still is not enough for you, perhaps check out their official web site and watch the flash intro. I know sites like punkbands.org and absolutepunk.net have said July 11th, but they are not an officiating source. 90% of the stuff they post on there are rumors.  sharp dust  00:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, then. Sorry, if I was harsh when I kept changing the date. 64.142.89.105 02:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You guys are silly. Look the album up on All Music Guide (which is owned by AEC Distribution) - www.allmusic.com - it says July 4th, as did all the magazine ads and wheat-paste posters all over big cities across the country. And that’s when I got mine.

did rise against pay for this? most bands one of the categorys is criticisms.rise against is good but not perfect

Genres
Post-Grunge? No way dude.

Agreed :PP

I Concur

yeah..lets try metal, rock, or hard rock? Inuxshinedown 02:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

i'd say screamo. i've seen them in concert. well, like they were the opening band for my chemical romance. but they played for about an hour. everything they 'sang' was screaming. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.54 (talk) 18:07, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Here are some ideas, sign your posts, and know what your talking about before you post. You can't call a band sceamo because they opened for My Chemical Romance, nor can you call them screamo for, heh, screaming. After all many metal bands scream their lyrics and are still metal not screamo. Also, they are Melodic Hardcore Punk Rock, a genre that often combines Emocore/Screamo, and Pop Punk in its songs. Although it is a different sub-genre of Hardcore Punk than Emocore/Screamo.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 01:15, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh man.. YOU'RE KILLING ME! They don't have ANY elements of emo/screamo at all. Melodic hardcore does NOT have elements of emo/screamo and this rockband (yes, they play rock - not punk or hardcore) have NO elements of emo/screamo.

This band plays rock. 217.210.87.80 (talk) 07:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

You're KIDDING ME. Rise Against? SCREAMO?? --68.25.166.193 (talk) 22:54, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

They Are Punk Rock
They are Punk Rockers

I don't know much about punk rock, because I only listen to punk bands people have recommended me (Bad Religion, Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat) but I'm sure they aren't punk. They MIGHT have been, but they sure as heck aren't punk anymore. I don't know if they were to begin with. Punk is characterized by the lyrics and a certain style of music, I think. All the punk I've heard has little to no melody, unclean vocals, and super distorted guitars. I'm not sure, because I only LISTEN to punk.


 * They were punk/hardcore the first few years they were out. But since Siren Song they've come to fit more of a melodic hardcore category with punk influences...if that makes any sense. They throw in a punk song or two here and there.

They are not punk rock anymore, they are Post-Hardcore. They were originally punk and they are still influenced by it, but they are predominantly post-hardcore now.

--Have you read the lyrics? Siren Song was most definitely a punk rock album. And for you information people, hardcore is always punk. There is no such thing as hardcore that isn't punk rock as well. Hardcore punk, get it? Most of what is labelled hardcore these days is either metalcore, emocore, or some form of screamo. None of those bands are hardcore though. And The Sufferer and the Witness is still most definitely still hardcore punk. They are mellowing out a bit, which I guess just comes with getting older, and their sound is getting more polished and focused, as opposed to the usually gritty and chaotic sound of most hardcore punk, but the lyrics and the musical style still most definitely fit punk rock. Post-hardcore? They might be moving that way. But Rise Against is still political and left-wing enough to be labelled punk. I'd say about 70% of their lyrics reflect a general dissatisfaction with society, the government, and life at large. Still punk.

"All the punk I've heard has little to no melody, unclean vocals, and super distorted guitars."

Some, especially the more hardcore DIY stuff. Bands like The Unseen, Anti-Flag, Black Flag, Minor Threat, Against All Authority; those bands would fit that above definition. However, it is possible for a punk band to have melody and polish, just as long as they don't water down the lyrics, and not be considered posers or pop/punkers.

You obviously dont know punk^ and you below \/ you dont either....yeah its possible for punks to me musically talanted in fact many of them are...but its not possible for punks to be poppy bubble gum losers....so rise against isnt punk

--Rise Against are punk rock as well as hardcore, but more specifically they should be classified as melodic hardcore. They pretty much have every characteristic of this genre; essentially they are a punk band that adds melody and somewhat complex lead guitar to their songs. - Razorhead, March 29 2007

--Been listening to punk rock for years now and I'd have to say that these guys fit into post-hardcore as well as punk rock. The lyrics have a definite rejection for a conventional style despite the melody. Also, if you trace punk back to the roots of Iggy Pop then you will find various tempos throughout. Punk was meant as an experimental thing so its rather difficult to characterize. All we have to go on is comparisons to early punk bands but based on their style I'd say post-hardcore.

---nope nope nope they are not punk at all......ask me why (ricejames31@yahoo.com) i look forward to it... and listen to the song "give it all", that song sucks its not punk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.151.134.182 (talk) 19:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter what you think. You're not a reliable source. Reliable sources universally consider Rise Against a punk rock band. Tim  meh  ( review me ) 20:11, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

NOT punk. I was listening to punk when Sid was sill alive for crying out loud, and these guys aren't representative of the punk genre. If I had to go out on a limb, and really reach for a definition for them that had to include the term "punk", maybe, just maybe, you could slip them into "post-punk" under the radar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aces&Eights (talk • contribs) 20:30, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow. You're an idiot. Nobody cares if you listened to punk when Sid was around. Every music genre has changed significantly since the 70s, even punk, you degenerate turd. Rise Against are most certainly punk since their lyrics are very political, their music is fast and aggresive, and EVERY reliable source says so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.0.240 (talk) 11:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Who cares? they were kind of punk, now theyre not, they became into a melodicpophardcoregaysomething band. theres no reason to disscus about it. "but the lyrics are very political" Rage aganist the machine's lyrics too and theyre not punk. and the music is not thath fast or aggresive. But if you want to listen to a real punk band you must turn off your fuckin' computer and go to the streets im sure you can find one real punk band out there. P.S. when a punk band become famous they start to change, look at anti-flag, or the unseen, the casualties, total chaos, they all have changed.

Punk rock songs arent in tv shows or in a commercial!!!!! rise against sucks!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.196.7.134 (talk) 00:49, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

^^^ what TV Show or Commercial have their songs been on? Besides the Sims 3 Trailer, I don't really consider that a commercial since Rise Against has had their music in games since Tony Hawk when they did a cover of "Fix Me" By Black Flag —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.114.205.114 (talk) 09:55, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

^^^^^ All I am reading here is a bunch of biased statements from one oblivious troublemaker. To the user who brought up this invalid issue, you are NOT a reliable source as stated by other editors/moderators/etc and should look at the Conflict of Interest guideline. Maybe after looking carefully at this, you will see why you are not changing anything, you're not proving a valid point; you're just making yourself look ignorant. If you're going to bring up an issue, make sure you do your homework and have you facts straight. Thank you :) --216.152.179.110 (talk) 09:57, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Abridged "Survive"
The article says "An abridged version of "Survive" (the deep bass intro is not present) from The Sufferer and the Witness is featured on Smackdown vs. Raw 2007."

What deep bass intro are they talking about? I got a U.S. version of the CD from interpunk and I don't think it has a deep bass intro.

Hmm... The Sufferer and the Witness states that the song should last 3:40, while Rise Against's website lists the song at 4:51, so you seem to have the former, which most likely is the "abridged" version mentioned in this article. You used to be able to hear the deep bass intro during the intro animation on their site. xetrov_znt 07:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

UPDATE: Hey I just figured it out. The way iTunes ripped my US preorder copy of the CD, the intro to "Survive" was at the end of the previous track, "The Good Left Undone." EAC ripped it the same way. The intro starts at 3:02. Can anyone else confirm this? MattTheMan 05:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Yea, my version is like that too... I was wondering why "The Good Left Undone" had that odd extra part at the end. Metroid0630 05:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

UPDATE: The intro to "Survive" was only present on the leaked version, for the final official release, it was moved to the end of "The Good Left Undone".

Data (Any Way You Want It)
Does anyone know why the song "Any Way you Want it" (their cover of a Journey song) is no longer listed on their album? Did they get in trouble or something? I think this may be worth putting on the article.

I am not sure. I purchased my copy of Revolutions Per Minute last year around November-December, and it didn't list the song on the album but it was still there. With EAC and AccurateRip, all the tracks were listed as accurate except for this one. Weird. MattTheMan 05:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

It's like that because the song is supposed to be a hidden track, which is why theres about 30 seconds of silence at the end of "Amber Changing"

^ And hence all the feedback at the beginning of the song (Fallingwalls1 14:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC))

yeah it's a hidden track. and on my cd it's titled "data" even though i know it's a cover. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.92.221.236 (talk) 02:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Trivia section
I removed a great deal of the trivia, mostly things that related to individual band members (and therefore would belong on their pages instead). However, it still feels too long. Does anyone else think that we should also remove the long list of every video game the band is featured in? - seinman 00:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sadly, it looks like that happened. I disagree with its removal. It definitely belongs in the article. - JNighthawk 13:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The entire trivia section has been deleted, i was going to add that while "swing life away" did attract many new fans to the band, Chris mcaughan (of the lawrence arms, sundowner etc) wrote it years before, and sold it in exchange for rent money. True story. (Chris is given credit on the inset of the punk goes acoustic album). anonymous man. 31 march 2007, 22:56 (GMT)

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Veganism
The band isn't vegan they're vegetarian, it needs to be changed He Who Laughs Last 20:24, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * this has nothin to do with anything but he who laughs last is a great song. good choice for a name.

No, they're definitely vegan. They made this very clear when they went through great lengths to make sure their Vans signature shoe had no animal products in it. (Fallingwalls1 14:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC))

are you sure? their mtv2 interviews ran alot during t-minus rock, and you see them ordering foods in their hotel's room service like coffee (maybe, if it's black coffee), and crepes, which last time i checked, has eggs and milk. 76.182.87.230 22:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I´m pretty sure they´re "just" vegetarian. Since when do Vegans order Hot Dogs on their DVD ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.173.130.194 (talk) 13:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Um, vegetarians could order tofu dogs, but so could vegans. I think some of them are vegan, and some are vegetarian. I'm not sure if any of them are neither. Debivort 15:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I beleive they consider themselves vegitarians bacause I saw an interview where they talked about some good vegitarian restaurants. Wumbla (talk) 03:07, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Barnes isn't vegan, as far as I know. 64.130.251.178 (talk) 22:15, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

the band members pic
Can anyone identify the band members on the picture on the top of the page from left to right?--Dark paladin x 01:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Zach Blair (guess)
 * Tim McIlrath
 * Brandon Barnes (guess)
 * Joe Principe

I'm not completely sure about which ones Zach and Brandon are, but the rest are right. Otisbum 00:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, you're completely wrong. That picture is outdated, and from left to right, it is Chris Chasse, Tim, Brandon, and Joe. Zach is bald and wasn't in the band at the time of this shot.

rise against political idealogies. liberal?
I read their FAQ about their political idealogies:

13. Do you like George Bush?

Let’s just say we’re big fans of Fat Mike’s political views. Check out http://www.punkvoter.com for more information.

Ok, I checked out the punkvoter site, and it's liberal (and yes I'm a liberal as well). also, Fat Mike have liberal ideas as well. Of course, nearly most punks have liberal idealogies, I barely see any punks who have conservative ideas.

Can I state that they are liberal, it just a guess?--Dark paladin x 12:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say you'd be justified to call them liberal, and then cite that FAQ page. Debivort 14:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

From their lyrics, videos and interviews I would have though their politics were more radical than those of a 'liberal'. They appear to support equality of outcome (rather than oppourtunity) which is indicative of some form of socialist politics.

Misc.
the caption on the main photo was still tagged as Chris Chasse, even though it clearly shows Zach Blair. so i changed it--64.228.0.51 (talk) 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

alternative rock
They are not alternative rock! on this pages ist standing for rise against these genrES: metalcore, hard rock, screamo, emo and i dont think that they make this genre —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.211.87.17 (talk) 18:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I just did a researched on Google and Yahoo! whether they use that genre. Here are some links (besides Rate Your Music) that prove they are alternative: 100XR.com, Ticketmaster, Soundpedia, MSN Music and iSOUND. The List of alternative rock artists article even lists Rise Against as an alternative rock band. Alex (talk) 20:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

no they are not, alternative rock means "instead of rock 'n roll" its slower and quieter. Jimmy eat world is Kill hannah is Sunny Day Real Estate is as well as bands like Muse, Travis, Downhere and Snow patrol the term alternative rock is used to describe many bands and is often used wrongly, those links dont prove anything, as the way bands are labelled is often stupid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thrice34 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Alex, none of those sources are reliable. Please do not change the genre again without reliable sources to back it up. — Fatal Error 18:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

song in popular use section
I propose deleting all of it. All bands have songs used in popular / commercial venues. This doesn't tell us anything about the band. This references might be useful in the popular venue articles, such as "Video game X has a punk sound track including Rise Against ... " but it's not useful here. Thoughts? de Bivort 18:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

It's trivia... delete it.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 05:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No objections after 2 weeks. Deleting the cruft. de Bivort 16:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Ideals vs Politics
I changed the article title "Politics of Rise Against" to "Ideals of Rise Against." It seems more fitting, since vegetarianism and the things mentioned arent necessarily political. OhDoTell (talk) 20:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. Good thinking. Tim  meh  !  21:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Making Christmas
I just found a Rise Against song called "Making Christmas" that is part of an album called Nightmare Revisited on YouTube:


 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy8HmVO3MWM&feature=related

This song isn't mentioned anywhere on this talk page or the Rise Against article and I'd like to insert it but I'm not sure how to do it or even if I should, so I'm just throwing it onto the talk page for further discussion and maybe someone more competent than I could put it up for me. Fallenangei (talk) 18:54, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

emo
how the hell are they em ocause i saw them on the emo list —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakeellsonator (talk • contribs) 01:26, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Neon White hates the band so he uses every opportunity he can to humiliate them and then if you show him a link to anything saying otherwise he calls it unreliable while saying random people that are insulting the band are reliable.--Unknownsage13 (talk) 02:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Simple answer: A professional music critic has a shitload more reliability than some dumbshit 13 yr old fan that has his own agenda travelling around wikipedia. If it's sourced, it stays. k.i.a.c  ( talktome  -  contribs ) 03:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It was like two professionals and you could tell it was either insulting or misinterpreting. Seriously, any band nowadays that shows emotion is labeled emo. And I'm sure someone that grew-up with the band would know more about their genre than some old guy.--Unknownsage13 (talk) 20:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

emo
How come they are on the list of emo bands. If anything they are post-hardcore but their lyrics are not emotional, most of their lyrics are like punk anthems. Someone please explain it to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakeellsonator (talk • contribs) 00:23, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I wish i could explain it, but there is no explaination. I was outraged when i saw it aswell 86.171.116.174 (talk) 15:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The idea that the band is emo is a non-significant extreme minority view. I have removed Rise Against from that list. Tim  meh  !  21:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The list, like all wikipedia, is based on verifiable sources not personal opinion, please do not remove sourced content based on a personal view. --neon white talk 00:33, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Please do not put content on because of personal views while neglecting others.--Unknownsage13 (talk) 21:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The "sourced material" to that content is probaly by some random person.--67.34.181.210 (talk) 22:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes its sourced but how on earth is this an emo band?? They have absolutly nothing at all to do with emo. the two sources must be the only two sources in the whole world that call them emo. The problem is that no professional review bothers to say what a band is not because its a waist of time. I'm sure it would be easy to fine many other reviews that list them as punk rock and melodic hardcore as opposted to emo. Can't a weight of reviews not suggesting a genre outway 2 sources that do?It might be opinionated but I'm sure its an opinion that anyone with half a brain shares. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.195.171 (talk) 13:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I strongly agree but nobody is even budging on this...--Unknownsage13 (talk) 20:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

The first source is a review on a soundtrack album (featuring One Rise Against song which is a cover). It loosly calls them an 'emo-rock' band showing a dislike of the cover. The Second only refers to them as emo here; "Rise Against are one of the few bands that manage to surf the crests of both the emo/pop and political punk rock waves at the same time." The rest of the time it calls them punk-rock and melodic hardcore. Is this really, really enough? I know it's not a good idea to touch sourced info and I normally wouldn't argue if it's sourced but in this case I'm not so sure... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.36.136 (talk) 13:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you! That's exactly what I was getting at! --TM41 (talk) 05:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Last album has post-grunge elements
I'm not all too familiar with their other stuff, but their latest album (ESPECIALLY the single "Re-Education (Through Labor)") definitely has at least SOME post-grunge sound to it. I mean, seriously, one of the main riffs in Re-Education is pretty much a clone of the riff used in Foo Fighter's "I'll Stick Around" (Not saying it's intentional, just using it as a point that it has post-grunge elements). I'm too lazy to find sources, but would any frequent wiki contributors be willing to do some investigation on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.196.116.95 (talk) 19:23, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Music Genre
Who thinks that rise against never made hardcore punk?? who?? listen to the unrevaling, revelutions per minute and to siren songs of a counter culture! there are hardcore punk songs! you don't need any sources for that! so listen this music before you change it! if you have any sources that they DON'T make hardcore punk than give them! and don't delete my discussion text because this would be vandalism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.194.250.103 (talk) 20:15, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia content needs to be verifiable and needs to cite reliable sources; you cannot insert original research. Tim  meh  !  20:18, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I think that Post-hardcore should be added, as the AMG refers to them as that DespairDavid (talk) 16:38, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think we'll need at least one other source saying they're post-hardcore before we mention it anywhere, as using only one single source would be giving undue weight to a minority and possibly non-significant viewpoint. Tim  meh  !  20:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Besides, the People at AMG have no idea what's going on. I don't know who gave those people the right to critique music, as most of the reviewers know little to almost nothing about the genre they're talking about.  I don't quite understand why AMG is considered a reliable source.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.55.131.235 (talk) 16:02, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * What makes you think you know more than the professional critics at AMG about music genres? Tim  meh  17:17, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok...I listed to a couple of people argue over what genre this band is, and had never heard them before so I went to listen to them. So far, I've heard a few songs and I can say this much. "Payer of the Refuge" is NOT punk except a tiny bit in the drums. "Give It All" is almost definitive punk. The very first thing that came to mind with that song was Bad Religion. "Ready To Fall" is a cross between punk(drums and some guitar hooks) and screamo(vocals). I'm sure there's already a genre for this combination. I would have to say that defining this group as "punk" is entirely incorrect, as would be calling them "emo." They do have some punkish songs, but their overall sound is less punk and more something else. Some fusion-type genre would be a much better description of them. If people are defining this band as punk based on the drums (which is really the only thing they do that's punk besides a guitar riff here and there) then you need to start calling Fallout Boy punk because they have VERY similar drum work. RaggTopp (talk) 18:15, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * RaggTopp, your opinion here is insignificant - per WP:OR. Wikipedia relies on Verifiability and Reliable Sources, not personal and unqualified opinion (how could you even make those comments after admitting you'd never even heard this massive band before? :/).

Influences
According to this rolling stone article, Rise Against are also influenced by AFI. DespairDavid (talk) 16:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/riseagainst

Political views, pt. 2
Don't want to start a huge thing here...I changed the description of the 'Ready to Fall" video to more nuetral wording...the previous was worded so that it was assumed that factory farming and sport hunting is cruel, and did not mention the footage of rodeo's in the video. I feel that the section is less bias this way but welcome discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamsburgland (talk • contribs) 05:08, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Savior listed
Savior is listed at the bottom with Rise Against's singles. Wheres the source confirming it?--Unknownsage13 (talk) 21:38, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've removed it, as there was no source provided. It is very unlikely to be a single at this point anyway, considering that "Hero of War" was just released. Tim  meh  ! ( review me ) 22:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

FMQB is the source where I found the song listed. It's on the Modern Rock airplay page.65.34.252.251 (talk) 17:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

You guys must feel rather silly now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.0.240 (talk) 11:34, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I think both Savior and Hero of War were supposed to be singles. Though I noticed Hero of War isn't listed with the singles, but I'm pretty sure it does have a music video... anyone want to investigate? Bliss 182 (talk) 08:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Image
I think we should find a picture with the entire band in it, rather than just Tim. In every other band page I've seen the picture includes all members of the group. What do you think? --TM41 (talk) 05:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That's definitely a good idea. The problem is that even moderate quality images of bands with free copyright licenses are rare. Let's keep our eyes out though. de Bivort 17:43, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Opening live speech
Does anyone have the exact words to the opening live speech Rise Against does before they come onto the stage? I don't know if they play the recorded speech before every show, but they did when i saw them and i was just wondering what the speech was about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.253.121.24 (talk) 03:36, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Straight edge?
I know for a fact that they're not straight edge (as my brother went drinking with them once before a show), and while that specifically isn't citable (and any reasonable person would take that with a grain of salt), there isn't anything in the article citing them being straight edge, either, so I think that it should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BrianRecchia (talk • contribs) 02:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * See this article, which is cited in the Politics and ethics section. Tim  meh  05:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe it was root beer?  TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 15:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

They wouldn't be the first rockers who are full of shit about being straight edge, but sadly your brother isn't a more reliable source than the band themselves, unless he publishes his story to the music media we can't include it ~FinalWish who can't sign in on this stupid non-cookie enabled computer.

Re-write
There is no need to list the singles from each album in the intro; the lead has to be relevant and tight; mainly about album information, certifications, sales figures, awards and preferably musical style described briefly. Please discuss further before reverting it again.

Just refer to these band pages to understand what I am trying to say. All these are either good or featured articles. Steed Asprey - 171 (talk) 13:21, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sum 41
 * Linkin Park
 * Coldplay
 * Blink-182
 * Radiohead
 * Green Day
 * I really doubt it would fail if reassessed for GA. The wording before you changed it was barely changed since the article was granted GA status. The singles don't have to be mentioned, so I wouldn't mind them being removed.  However, the lead for this size article should not consist of four paragraphs, especially when three of them are less than three sentences long. Besides the mention of the singles, what problems do you have with the original wording? The entire article was copyedited so that it could pass a GA review last year.  Tim  meh  21:29, 17 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Nevermind the GA business. A GA qualification a year back does'nt mean that it would still be valid now. Wikipedia's standards keep evolving. As for the lead consisting of four paragraphs, well, the first paragraph about the band's members is valid. The second and third are better split since the second consists of the band's independent albums, while the third is of their major label career. They can be merged into one if you like - though that would make it a bit unreadable. As for the fourth, well, I inserted it mainly because it deserves a mention, and it looked like a good way to end the intro. After all, one cannot abruptly end the lead. Maybe musical style and some such information can be added??? Steed Asprey - 171 (talk) 05:28, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You still haven't explained what was wrong with the original wording, besides the mention of the singles. Your copyedit throughout the rest of the article seems fine, but I think the original intro was worded better. Tim  meh  18:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * There was no mention of chart positions, certifications and no mention of the band's first two albums - there's certainly no harm in mentioning the names of its two independent albums or when they signed to Geffen. In the second paragraph of the previous intro, there was nothing but the singles info. What else was there??? Only the album names and the album's singles. Anyway, what do you suggest?? Steed Asprey - 171 (talk) 04:45, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * There was a mention of Appeal to Reason ' s Billboard peak and of the time they spent on their independent label. I would not have objected to a quick mention of the band's first two albums. The previous wording also says the band released Siren Song as its first Geffen album in 2004. I really don't think it's necessary, therefore, to mention when they signed to the label. Your rewording isn't horribly bad, but your paragraphs aren't developed enough, hence there being 4 of them, most rather short, and I see at least two statements unsupported by the sources in the article. I'll do a copyedit when I get some time, and you can see how it looks and bring up any issues here, if that will work for you. Tim  meh  21:16, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course. :)Steed Asprey - 171 (talk) 14:32, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Why choose one?
Why is everyone argueing over the genre i belive they are not only one genre,bands are muliple genres.

Rise against is Punk,Melodic Hardcore,Hard rock and a few other genres,so why classify them as one?

Lets classify them as multiple genres —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeharrietha (talk • contribs) 22:12, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Who is Kevin White?
and why is he in the list of band members and apparently lead guitarist on Siren Song? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.246.122 (talk) 18:08, 25 May 2010 (UTC) Given that he's not cross-referenced anywhere, I was going to delete him. Last time I did that though it was reverted back due to "vandalism". If someone could put me out of my misery that'd be grand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.242.74 (talk) 21:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Sure.. Link to video of Tim talking about him.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZqgPOslSNE —Preceding unsigned comment added by NANWIZ (talk • contribs) 21:55, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I recently just watched that video after having noticed the addition of that unheard of before guitarist, and realized whoever put him in there put him in the wrong time frame. In the video, Tim clearly states Kevin replaced Mr. Precision, and didn't last long, and was replaced by Todd Mohney. So I flipped him around in the graph to represent this and changed the year in which he was shown to be apart of the band back to 2002 instead of 2004. Also at that part, might someone try and move Kevin White above Todd Mohney to keep in order with when they were with the band? I am new to this and everytime I attempted to do so, it changed the reference number from 57 to 1, so I just left it as is for now so it will atleast keep the correct reference number. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.120.208 (talk) 01:20, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Could this video also be used to classify their genre as it features Tim talking in some detail about it?Nerter (talk) 15:10, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Tour page AfD
Hey, just to let y'all know, the page Appeal to Reason promotional tour (Rise Against's recent tour) has been nominated for deletion. There's only one vote right now besides the nominator's. The AfD page is: Articles for deletion/Appeal to Reason promotional tour. The AfD needs more votes to reach a consensus. --- cymru lass (hit me up)⁄(background check) 21:30, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Appeal to Reason: Further Info
I noticed for further info it says to see a tour page that no longer exists, or perhaps, never existed in the first place. Shouldn't it direct to the album article before the tour article anyway? Or maybe just not offer further info, much like the other four albums? Thoughts? =) Bliss 182 (talk) 08:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Genre
Hardcore developed from punk. Also called punkcore sometimes. This isent as hard as hardcore, but arent as soft as punk eighter. Therefor I believe its Melodic Hardcore. Just my opinion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.34.243.126 (talk) 11:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Face to Face split
The reference is now a dead link. Also I'd have thought it now belongs under the "Next album" section, if we're still to consider it as actually going ahead? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.244.136 (talk) 19:48, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Turbulences for deletion
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Musical style and influences
Hey all, I came across this article and wanted to give a few pointers on the Musical Style section. Such sections aren't meant to be simply listings of what genre a band is categorized as (in fact, you should avoid this); they are meant to explain musical techniques and stylistic traits common of the band. See the relevant sections in R.E.M. and Nirvana (band) for examples on how to approach such sections. In my experience, the best sources of material for musical style sections are articles in guitar magazines, ie. Guitar World, which naturally tend to focus on breaking down and explaining an artist's music. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:55, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Timeline issue
The timeline seems to me to be coded correctly, but the end product is obviously wrong. Perhaps someone knows what has gone wrong and can fix it? Well done if you can! — Half  Price  22:56, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I will do it.Brunohbrassard (discussion)

Genre
Pop punk? Nope, not even close. Changing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.139.144 (talk) 20:54, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Post hardcore
NONE of the sources describe them as post-hardcore. Therefore, I removed it. I looked at history and it was added by an ip who diddn't provide a source. Please find a source for post-hardcore. I noticed it first reverted for being unsourced. Then it suddenly got readded by a genre warrior and then they got away with it. All the sources would describe them as are just punk/hardcore/melodic hardcore.

Stgw (talk) 22:56, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Removed vans analysis
This section has little to do with Rise Against, and had a dubious source.

Vans labor practices should probably go under the Vans article.

Jbmcb (talk) 13:23, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps someone has already said this, but post-hardcore should definitely be added to genre, it's listed on All Music Guide as one of their genres. Someone (not me) needs to add that with that citation. Thanks!