Talk:Rise of the Machines (song)

Requested move 24 September 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

Rise of the Machines (song) → Rise of the Machines – Currently, Rise of the Machines redirects to Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, but I contest this because there is no evidence that "Rise of the Machines" is used in isolation, or makes sense by itself to layperson readers, in reference to the Terminator film. Better to have the song as the primary topic. Not even sure if a hatnote to Terminator 3 is warranted, though I wouldn't oppose it completely. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 13:40, 24 September 2023 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose. No, an obscure track that doesn't even appear to meet WP:NSONG is not the primary topic.  Probably should go to AfD. 162 etc. (talk) 16:43, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I don't think it is that unlikely for a film to be referred to by its subtitle, and the song seems non-notable. Nohomersryan (talk) 21:04, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * films are many times referred to by its subtitle. Just look at "Live, Die, Repeat" which was even marketed using its subtitle instead of its actual over title. Or the undertitles "A New Hope" or "The Empire Strikes Back" or "Return of the Jedi" etc -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 04:26, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose "Rise of the Machines" should be a disambiguation page covering all the various "(The) Rise of (the) Machine(s)" topics; and no, T3 is the much more likely topic over this song -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 04:26, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Withdrawing request. Seems like editors think subtitles are that valuable as redirects. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 14:26, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose so nom please close. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:34, 26 September 2023 (UTC)