Talk:Rivendell/Archive 1

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could anybody explain me the meaning of the word "homely" in this context ('The Last Homely House East of the Sea') ? i can see that it's usually translated as "friendly" to my native tongue, but according to the wiktionary it means "lacking in beauty or elegance" and according to some other dictionary it means "simple".


 * Third definition in OED - a place where one receives kindly home-like treatment. Also characterized as a "rare" and "obsolete" usage, which would have suited Tolkien's ear just fine. Stan 19:59, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 11:20, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Why people deleted this image? It's helpful for readers to visualize how this place was illustrated in movies. This is a fictional place, therefore having an image is deadly essential. What a shame!  Ga lad ree-el  15:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Placed Notability Tag
Not the subject of multiple independant secondary sources as required by WP:NN and does not have any real world content as clarified by WP:FICT Guest9999 22:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)]]
 * What? I doubt if you even read or watch LOTR. If you did, you wouldn't suspect of the notability of this fictional place.  Ga lad ree-el  15:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, this article was rated High important. Although NN requires secondary sources, it's actual an arduous task to accomplish, especially for this type of topic. More, I don't understand why you said it doesn't have any real world content. I've read the policy but nothing like you complaint. Point out the facts rather than merely criticize. Don't be so rigid!  Ga lad ree-el  17:24, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation
I switched the other uses template, to point to Rivendell (disambiguation), since people may land here while looking for one of those (I did). I don't think the two other uses (a Polish convention and a Danish society) are very important in Wikipedia right now, because neither of them has an associated article. However, they're both linked from the disambiguation page, for when those articles are eventually written. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JBazuzi (talk • contribs) 17:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Addendum
There's another link to a real place in Switzerland: John Howe's famous illustrations which also inspired the design in Peter Jackson's movie are based on the Gorges de l'Areuse in the Swiss Canton of Neuchâtel. In the French Wikippedia article on this much steeper and truly hidden(!) valley you will find a bridge that looks almost identical to the ones in the illustrations and in the film (it's the bridge on which a procession of elves with lanterns are seen crossing; the same drawing was also used on the inside(?) of a Led Zeppelin record). Indeed, Howe, who worked on the design of the film lives in Neuchatel, Switzerland (which is near that gorge) and has stated (though I do not remember the source for this right now) that he indeed based his work on that valley and said specific bridge. 23:42, 31 December 2008 (CET)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.3.109.216 (talk)

Cultural references
The band Rush released a song on the album Fly By Night named Rivendell, describing the place as it was in the Tolkien books. Could it perhaps be included under a cultural references header? 24.193.209.173 (talk) 07:03, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This should rather be in a section "In popular culture", but as it is a single song, I think it would be even better to include it in Works inspired by J. R. R. Tolkien, not at the main Rivendell article. De728631 (talk) 18:31, 21 November 2009 (UTC) Edit: there is already a reference in the "Works inspired by" article to Rush having produced several Tolkien songs, so let's leave it as it is. De728631 (talk) 18:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)