Talk:River Bourne, Kent

Things to do
Add photos of Basted Paper Mill, Winfield Mill, Roughway Paper Mill, Oxonhoath Mill, Bourne Mill pre 1948, Goldhill Mill and Little Mill.

Grid references for Uridge's Mill, Claygate pump and Fairlawne Saw Mill. History of Uridge's Mill, Claygate pump and Fairlawne Saw Mill. Confirmation of the survival/demise of the Fairlawne Saw Mill Mjroots (talk) 23:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Further research on mill at Crouch. Mjroots (talk) 07:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Completion of conversion of metric units on Bourneside Mill. How do you convert 10'10" or 17"? (generally windshafts, upright shafts and waterwheel axle shafts were expressed in inches, unless they were exactly 2' or 3' diameter) Mjroots (talk) 10:18, 24 November 2007 (UTC)✅ Mjroots (talk) 20:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Photographs need to be transfered to Commons, and Geotagged.ClemRutter (talk) 10:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

More on geography, and flooding at East Peckham.ClemRutter (talk) 10:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

References #6, 10, and 14 are all to the same source. Need redoing so that they appear as 6a, 6b, 6c. Have had a go but brain not functioning atm. Mjroots (talk) 10:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC) Done it! Don't know how, but I did! Mjroots (talk) 12:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * ✅ The first time type the  next time, just type  . Have a look at my User page I keep some Web Citations texts there which I cut and paste.
 * Its an alternative way that is often useful.

ClemRutter (talk) 13:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Restore lost link to the GHatfield site under Hamptons paper mill. There is a problem that if you try to make the order refs 6,10 it won't show 10, it you try to do it 10,6 the next three mills disappear from the article, although the text is there!Mjroots (talk) 13:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC) ✅ Mjroots (talk) 16:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Expand wildlife section. When I was growing up in Hadlow in the 1970s there were brown trout at Goldhill Mill, roach, dace, chubb, tench, eels, bullheads, minnows and sticklebacks were to be found at Hadlow and water voles too. Can I add this in or do we need to find specific references to them existing now? Mjroots (talk) 15:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC) Ref found to trout and incorporated into text. Mjroots (talk) 11:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

User Comments
I'd like to add further details of the watermills, but am wondering whether to add them to this page or make separate pages for them. Maybe that could come later when each mill has enough on it to be bigger than stub length. Mjroots (talk) 15:11, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Have added some basic details about most of the mills. Need to add references to indivdual pieces of info once I work out how to do it. Mjroots (talk) 18:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've managed to add external reference links, but how do I reference within the article to the references at the bottom of the page? For example, the reference to Robert Uridge should be linked to the Kent & Sussex Courier at the bottom of the page. If someone could edit this to link, I can probably work out how to do the others. Mjroots (talk) 23:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)✅Mjroots (talk) 01:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Photo added, but can it be resized so that it don't stretch the page? Mjroots (talk) 23:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC) ✅ The secret is to write |thumb after the image name. ClemRutter (talk) 00:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * This site: is an excellent site that allows you to search for images by OS grid reference. All images are free to use under the Creative Commons licence - haven't looked yet but I expect there are heaps of pictures for most of your new articles. Let me know if you need help uploading and adding the right copyright tags - as "Creative Commons Share Alike 2.0" is not one of the Wiki options! Have a look at the images at Mote Park for the type of copyright tag to use. Hope that helps Dick G (talk) 03:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Image added to article as an example. Cheers Dick G (talk) 03:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Article
Looking good! Like the infobox .... pictures? Try http://www.geograph.org.uk/ They are public and as you know the map reference there Should! be one to use Victuallers (talk) 18:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've looked on geograph, we have the only suitable pictures already in the article. Mjroots (talk) 20:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That infobox caused a few problems getting it to look "right" aesthetically. Have achieved the desired result now. Mjroots (talk) 21:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

WGS84
There are long discussions all over wikipedia about geo tags- and the preferred system is WGS84 so we can link in with all sorts of other info providers including Google Maps. However, most of the learned books in the UK, and certainly all the walking maps use  Grid references  OSGB36. As here. The conversion maths is spectacular- so I am working on a simple Javascript page that will do the job. It is mathematically working- but the user interface needs tweaking- and the output strings are still open to modification. This was my first real page test. The process was Ctrl_C, change page, Ctrl_V, select Ctrl_C, change back, Ctrl_V so it was quick and easy.

Precision: It is obvious that six digit codes such as TQ 456 123 do not give a fine enough description to locate the actual mill, just come fairly close. The maths also can only be accurate to within 10 m, so that has a cumulative effect. I suspect that the authors of the learned books were only working to +-200 when they fixed the Gridref. Any comments.

Format: Input, providing there are an even number of digits with option two leading letters it will take anything that is thrown at it. Extra commas, spaces and comments like 'approx'are all handled.

Format: Output, this uses a standard template- but would another format be preferred?

I am pleased with the result. ClemRutter (talk) 12:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * 6 figure grid refs - As you say, these are boxes 100m x 100m. I've no objection to 8 figure grid refs being shown, and will add any if I find them. Think there could be a space before the world symbol, should look better to the eye then. Mjroots (talk) 20:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC) Have altered them, the two in the infobox would look better on a line of their own. Mjroots (talk) 20:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ready to try osgrid to wiki tool.ClemRutter (talk) 23:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Tried using the tool for the Claygate ref, but produces a co-ord very close to the Greenwich Meridian! Mjroots (talk) 17:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * That was yesterdays version! After some more debugging the next version is now on line and is easier to use. osgrid to wiki


 * The code demands that a gridref is put to the program when it first opens, so I use The Observatory Greenwich. In the former version- if a finger slipped, then this ref was used in the calculation instead of the real one, hence the mysterious coordinates.


 * This has prompted a lot of discussion about the 100m inaccuracy [Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates]- summary: enough unhappy bunnies to start a warren. I have two tasks on the Tool front: finish the user interface (including the reporting of error messages), and help sort out the maths to reduce the inaccuracy. ClemRutter (talk) 00:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

geotags look good
Well done Victuallers (talk) 21:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

B Class?
Are we getting anywhere near B Class status yet? If not please say what needs doing. Mjroots (talk) 20:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC) ✅ OK, next target is GA status! Anyone care to comment on what needs doing to achieve this that is not already mentioned? Mjroots (talk) 00:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)