Talk:River Dee, Aberdeenshire

Merge
On second thoughts, and in view of how little geographical stuff there is on the River Dee page, creator of page agrees merge Jameswilson 04:29, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Done - Royal Deeside page merged here Jameswilson 04:49, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Deeside
I don't know the history here, but am surprised that Royal Deeside and Deeside direct to a page on the River Dee. I have tried to supply information about the river, its course and tributaries. It is far from complete and certainly needs more to justify the Deeside links. Finavon 22:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Again - not claiming to know the 'history' of any discussion here, but it occurs to me that an article specifically about - and only about - the river is worthwhile. The name 'Royal Deeside' is an abstraction - that I'd hesitate to use about 'Deeside' even though it is widely used - and probably 'Deeside' should be an article about the valley in parallel to an article about the river. Of course there probably should be a 'Deeside disambiguation' page - with the Welsh Deeside article being moved to (something like) 'Deeside (Wales)' and a 'Deeside (Scotland)' being created WikiWriter (talk) 16:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree with Finavon that a separate page on Royal Deeside is desirable. The "River Dee" article can of course summarise the info on Royal Deeside. Hadrianheugh (talk) 17:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * noticed in the article gaelic being mentioned but no mention of welsh/cumbric/brythonic as the roots of some of the placenames as in Aberdeen which in welsh would mean the mouth of the river deen ie Aber meaning mouth of a river deen in this case which is very close to the name still being used for that river ie dee, also strathdee in welsh "ystrad dee" would mean vale or valley of dee or u could have strathclyde means clyde valley why is it that the obvious brythonic roots of this region are so ignored? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mapowain (talk • contribs) 20:19, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Ice formation
I have observed ice in the river near Bridge of Dee after the coldest nights of the year. According to this article, it once stopped the University boat race. Since this would be unusual in a British river, this seems as though it should be mentioned in the article somewhere.--128.240.229.68 (talk) 21:30, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I formatted your link so it shows up in this section. If someone wants to include it in the article, it's just a matter of copying and pasting the reference. Regards Wotnow (talk) 10:03, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Possible sources for Deeside or other articles
Hello folks. In the Deeside article talkpage, I added an equivalent section to this, with suggestions for possible sources to help expand the article. I got those sources by searching for "Deeside" within Internet Archive. What I didn't realise at first was that while the "Deeside" returns clearly pertained to Scotland, the Wikipedia Deeside article pertains to Wales.

On I trying to unsuccessfully to find matches in the sources with key words in the article, and then following some of the article links, I realised my error, as explained on that talk page. Anyway, I corrected myself, and added some other resources in case anyone is interested or enterprising enough to capitalise on them.

On the offchance that someone can capitalise - either in this article or others - on the original sources I listed pertaining to Scottish Deeside, I have copied and pasted them below. Regards Wotnow (talk) 10:03, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Notable people
I am removing the list of notable people. ==Notable people== Famous and notable people who were either born in Strathdee or lived there include:

Byron was neither born nor lived on Deeside (unless you include a childhood in Aberdeen which would bring in other stray cats). Cruikshank, Thomson: no mention in their articles. Geddes born in a town there but no connection with river (Ballater can, and does, claim him). Likewise Skinner and Banchory. Similar is Cashmore and Banchory (except the article does not claim him). Byron and Adam Watson (scientist) (I expect there are others) are worth a proper mention but in prose, surely, not in an arbitrarily accumulating list. Thincat (talk) 16:50, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Lord Byron, who wrote about the area in When I Roved a Young Highlander and Lachin y Garr. http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/3451/
 * Roger Cruickshank
 * Sir Patrick Geddes
 * James Scott Skinner
 * Robert William Thomson
 * Pete Cashmore

Requested move 2 August 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Move. Keith D (talk) 11:13, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

River Dee (Aberdeenshire) → River Dee, Aberdeenshire – To be consistent with other River Dees, and other rivers in the UK and Ireland. I don't know why the convention here should be different from that used for the rest of the world, but it appears that it is. See WP:NCRIVER. W. P. Uzer (talk) 12:37, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Should never have been moved. As to the convention, Commonwealth English tends to prefer a comma over parentheses in these instances. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:21, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:UKPLACE and this discussion (see the long list of similarly affected inappropriately changed article names). Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:51, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Agree that it should not have been moved without a discussion, see here for an inconclusive WP:Rivers discussion in 2014...Jokulhlaup (talk) 13:30, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per all of the above. The page was moved away from its established title without discussion, and should be returned. thanks for the link to that discussion, which I don't think I'd seen before. River disambiguation is clearly a more contentious issue than I had realized. --Deskford (talk) 14:02, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia really ought to have got this sort of thing settled after 15 years. There ought to be a general discussion to finally decide one way or the other. But meanwhile, as far as I can tell, the dominant convention for UK rivers with county disambiguation is to use commas, so any titles that don't conform to that ought to be brought into line, preferably en masse by someone with the appropriate admin powers. W. P. Uzer (talk) 10:40, 8 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Length
A figure is given in the infobox for the length of the Dee (140km / 87 miles) but no source is given for that figure. The note (2) at the foot of the box leads to a SEPA report which states that the length of the 'main stem' is 126km. Due to this uncertainty I have, as with some other watercourses where dubious lengths have been asserted, painstakingly measured its length on online 1:25,000 scale OS mapping using a digital tool and determined it at 143.8km / 89.4 miles - I'd be confident of the accuracy of the figure to within about 0.5%. A further 0.2km can be added if the furthest extent of the watercourse depicted by OS at Wells of Dee is taken as the source rather than one of the many springs ('wells') in that vicinity. All of this is of course original research on my part so cannot be included in the article but it does at least give an idea of what a true figure should look like if and when an editor finds a suitable reference out there! Worth also noting that due to the anastamosing nature of this river over various parts of its length, the exact figure is going to vary from year to year and through subjective choice as to what constitutes the main channel. cheers Geopersona (talk) 08:29, 3 December 2021 (UTC)