Talk:Riverdale (American TV series)/Archive 1

Running time
"Running time: 40 minutes". On Netflix the first episode runs to 47 minutes. Even if you exclude the Netflix logo at the start and the foreign subtitling credits at the end, it's still about 46 mins 45 secs or so. So, was the first episode extra-long on the CW too, or will all episodes will significantly longer than the claimed 40 minutes (I guess we don't know yet), or does Netflix show a longer cut than the CW? 86.186.47.46 (talk) 17:22, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Edit warring
Some editors on this page are engaged in an edit war. Per WP:BRD it is now time to discuss proposed changes/revisions. If an impasse is reached, rather than continuing to edit war, please follow the processes at Dispute resolution. Continuing to edit war may become disruption, which may lead to blocking, even if you are right. Thanks, Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:28, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll repeat myself here as I said at Talk:List of Riverdale episodes: There already has been a discussion, at Talk:Riverdale (2017 TV series). There are just some particular editors, specifically IPs, that are choosing to ignore it. --  Alex TW 17:30, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Annnd, they need to discuss rather than edit war. Page protection should help stimulate the discussion.Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:42, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2017
change Cody Kearsley as Marmaduke "Moose" Mason: Archie's bicurious jock friend who propositions Kevin. to Cody Kearsley as Marmaduke "Moose" Mason: Archie's bicurious jock friend who approach to Kevin. Joharbison (talk) 05:48, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ "Archie's bicurious jock friend who approach to Kevin" is grammatically incorrect. --  Alex TW 05:59, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Date of episodes
As per this revert here, I will point out that UPCOMING doesn't cover listing an air date that is actually referenced through a reliable source. Perhaps the reverting editor missed the referenced episode title, which offers the air date? That reference explicitly notes that the season extends into 2018. Therefore, the information added by another doesn't fall under WP:UPCOMING I am loathe to redo the application of the year, so perhaps it would be more beneficial if someone else were to re-add the date. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:57, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Season 2, Episode 4 director
The director listed for Episode 4 of Season 2 right now on the Riverdale Wikipedia page is Allison Anders. However, the on-screen credits in the episode say the director was Jason Stone. Is there a mistake somewhere? I believe barring actual evidence to the contrary, the director should be listed on the Wikipedia page as Jason Stone, not Allison Anders. This should be fixed. 2605:6000:EB0C:C200:608D:C7EB:5B50:B53A (talk) 06:08, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * You're quite right. The episode credits Jason Stone, but the press release (which is what was being used when the episode count was updated when 2x04 aired) credits Allison Anders. Does anyone has further insight into this? --  Alex TW 06:34, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Untitled Chilling Adventures of Sabrina TV series
Realized this wasn't noted here, but there is currently a draft article for the upcoming Netflix spin-off here for anyone who would like to help foster its development until it can be moved to the mainspace. Thanks - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:16, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2018
Please add actors Jordan Connor - Sweetpea, a Southside Serpent. Drew Ray Tanner - Fangs Fogarty, a Southside Serpent.

As recurring characters, see Riverdale IMDb for confirmation that they are, indeed, in the show. Bellemrys (talk) 05:36, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * See WP:CITINGIMDB. --  Alex TW 14:51, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Episode Table
On the very high chance Riverdale gets a season 3, do we want to move the episodes to a separate episode page? I just feel that if we wanted to do episode descriptions for another season the page could get cluttered.--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 19:37, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I see no issue with this, but only once a Season 3 table can be created, not just when it's renewed. --  Alex TW 01:57, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, definitely when season 3 starts, I was just wondering if that was something we wanted to consider. I find that the page could possibly get crowded if we add episode descriptions for a possible 22 more episodes!--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 03:20, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Creating Article for Episode list
Most major broadcast shows that have entered their second seasons have pages for episode lists (like 2016-17's Kevin Can Wait, American Housewife, Lethal Weapon, Great News). Is there any reason that Riverdale shouldn't?Tvlover19 (talk) 9:44, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Please allow the status quo to remain per the bold-revert-discussion guide, and gain a consensus to split, instead of edit-warring. As I stated, also read WP:SPLIT. There is not enough content to split away to a separate article, and there is nothing in MOS:TV that supports splitting after a second season - that sounds like something that editors have made up. A related and very similar discussion can be read at Talk:Legends of Tomorrow; that particular series didn't split until after a Season 3 table was created. (Also, three of those series you mentioned were split by the same editor, so it may be necessary to update them on splitting as well.) --  Alex TW 10:00, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Last I remember was the second being the standard. Plenty of TV shows had their own episode lists by the second, as long there was enough content for the second season. After the second season, the article will be even more packed and cluttered.  Callmemirela   &#127809; talk 02:54, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * See the discussion for Legends of Tomorrow which describes why we shouldn't automatically be splitting after the second season. --  Alex TW 03:16, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * While it does say why we shouldn't, that discussion only applies to that article. It's common for TV shows to have articles split for episodes if they've been renewed for a second season and if there is enough information regarding that second season. The discussion resulted in a consensus that the article only be split after the third season for LoT, not Riverdale. Personally, if I wanted the consensus from that discussion apply here, there should also be a discussion here or perhaps, even better, at MOS:TV. Just because it was applied there, doesn't mean it should apply here unless the community has decided on it.  Callmemirela   &#127809; talk 20:25, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I personally think the article should be split. Considering there's almost double the amount of episodes as the first season. Brocicle (talk) 00:53, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, it applies only to that article, but the arguments presented there apply here as well. The article does not fit the criteria of MOS:SPLIT to split. And no, there is not "most double the amount of episodes as the first season" right now. There are currently 11 episodes in the Season 2 table, only one of which has a summary. Yes, there will be 22, but there isn't right now. I'll post as MOS:TV and WP:TV. --  Alex TW 01:40, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * As Alex stated, the arguments from the Legends discussion should be applied here as well. Somewhere down the road, general practice on TV articles were to split off episode tables to an LoE when a second season started. But honestly, that really only worked, generally, a couple years ago when all your seasons were in the 20+ episode range. Today, seasons can range anywhere from 4-23 episodes, so that old mentality can't continue. Again, the splitting was mostly a WP:SIZE and WP:SPLIT issue, but when we only have as of this comment 24 episodes listed, 14 of which have summaries, that's about equivilant to one "full" season. We are also in WP:NORUSH, so at this time I don't think it is in the best interest to split. Honestly, since this is not like the Legends scenario, and there will be more episodes total by the end of the second season, I think we should wait on splitting until a potential third season is ordered. If the series gets a renewal, and we know there will be more episodes beyond the 35 total, then we can split. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:56, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I said almost double the episodes of the first season. There's confirmed 22 episodes for season 2. As the episodes air there will be more information and sources added. It seems only logical to split now in preparation but I concur with getting other opinions like Alex said. Brocicle (talk) 02:05, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


 * No. See WP:SPLIT, WP:SUMMARY, WP:SPINOUT, WP:LENGTH.  The gist is that we should not split articles until the main articles becomes so long is it impractical to maintain or read it.  We should be merging more episode lists back into main show lists, no vice versa.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  02:39, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * This is impractical. I can give more than a dozen articles, which have more than three seasons, that require splitting. Now, if they were episode lists with no summaries, I am more than likely to agree.  Callmemirela   &#127809; talk 03:04, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I said almost double the episodes of the first season. That's not what I'm saying. Yes, there will be 22, but there are only 11 episodes currently listed for Season 2 at the moment. 14 episodes have summaries at the moment, which is about two-thirds of one typical fall series season. Only once all 22 are listed and include summaries is it worth while to split it, because then there will be enough content, but until then, it's irrelevant on how many there will be. All that is relevant is what there is currently.
 * I can give more than a dozen articles WP:OTHER is not a valid argument. I recommend reading the four guidelines that SMcCandlish linked, as they apply to all articles and not just non-television ones, and basing your future posts on anything from those guidelines that supports your argument. --  Alex TW 05:54, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Please note: There is now a larger TV project discussion about this at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Television. Please join the discussion there too. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:25, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * There is now a draft article for the episode page, see Draft:List of Riverdale episodes.  ScottKnight02 Talk 15:03, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Riverdale Needs To Get Separate Season Pages
We need separate season pages. This is not a miniseries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norby Lala (talk • contribs) 00:26, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The page still fulfills the guidelines to stay as per Manual_of_Style/Television. As Alex stated above, and at the beginning of the page, when the season ends, or around when season 3 starts, we can reconsider moving the episodes to a separate page then.--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 03:31, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed with on the separate episode page., if you wish to start separate season articles, I recommend you do so in the draft space. Whether it is a miniseries or not is irrelevant - not all actual television series require season articles. --  Alex TW 07:34, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Pinging in this. See also the above discussion/s. --  Alex TW 00:05, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

typo in Music
should be a space after the comma in the first sentence:

Musical performances are featured throughout the series,a blend of cover versions and originals.

--71.121.143.111 (talk) 10:28, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ --  Alex TW 10:30, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Episode Title References
Due to the fact that each episode is named after a little-known cult film, should we include this in the episode lists? Oftentimes when shows have an episode naming pattern, there is a reference of some format. Maybe we could just include it in the description of each episode?Avilan01 (talk) 06:21, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for this? --  Alex TW 06:38, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Source for the naming trend? After a rather shallow search I have not found a quality source confirming this. However, it is rather obvious and many fans of the show have picked up on it. If you watch the show, there are endless references to film, even lesser known films that span the decades in which the original digest has been in publication.Avilan01 (talk) 17:06, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if it' obvious or who has picked up on it. It needs a reliable source to be included in the article, else it's potentially original research and trivial. --  Alex TW 23:42, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ask and ye shall receive:
 * Teen Vogue
 * ComicBook.com
 * Popbuzz.com
 * Seventeen
 * Den of Geek
 * All it required was a little more of a look. I think its reasonable to re-add the information (using the references charitably provided by Yours Truly) back into the article. As an aside, reverting might not be your strongest suit; do a little of the heavy lifting, please. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 18:02, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Just throwing a word in saying that shortly I'll be doing the research and editing in all the references to the episode titles that I am able to find (i.e. might need to wait a week or so for newer episodes). I'll be styling them similarly to how Switched at Birth does since that seems to work, and looks neat and organized.--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 19:28, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

New season pages
As Alex mentioned previously, when the second season of Riverdale ended we could begin the move to separate season pages and an episode page. I think we should begin doing this as with two seasons featuring heavy loads of plot summary and two seasons of ratings on the main page, things are getting to be too cluttered.--Jonathan Joseph (talk) 00:22, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Considering it has been renewed for a third season I don't see why it wouldn't be appropriate to create draft articles. Brocicle (talk) 01:11, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Draft space definitely. --  Alex TW 01:20, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Individual Season pages
What would be enough content to create season pages? It seems unlikely that there would be any more info to even be put onto the season pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanjoseph81 (talk • contribs)
 * There's already been 3 discussions about this which are open with information, I don't know why you needed to start a new section. Dont forget to sign your comments. Brocicle (talk) 19:20, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think individual season pages could be good. They provide more information on production, critical response etc.. But don't just copy and paste info from the show's main page. MyNameIsASDF (talk) 21:27, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't revive old threads with new ones. Post in the old threads. --  Alex TW 12:32, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Hair
Is there an explanation for the weird hair colour of a lot of the characters? Was Riverdale the site of an industrial henna spill or something? I believe the Archie character had red hair in the comics, but the strange colour of some of the characters' hair just looks odd. Is it just a bad attempt at making them look like natural redheads, or is there some other explanation? --Michig (talk) 14:51, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * This has absolutely nothing to do with the article. Brocicle (talk) 14:56, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm. The article doesn't explain it. If there is an explanation it would be worth mentioning in the article. --Michig (talk) 15:20, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There's positively no logical explanation to include why some characters have red hair and others don't. This is Wikipedia, not Reddit. Brocicle (talk) 15:23, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Cosmopolitan commented on "the disproportionately large population of redheads in Netflix's Riverdale" . There must be a reason for it. If you're not interested you could just move on. --Michig (talk) 15:29, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, four red heads is disproportionatly large, the article's writer quite obviously over-exaggerated. If you're looking for an explanation it's called genetics, and that's it. It's trivial info. Brocicle (talk) 15:41, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Another source commenting on not only the number of redheads but the unnatural appearance: "Archie, as well as the show’s other two key redheads, look eerily unnatural, making the hair color choice feel as strange as pink or blue." I would guess it's an artistic decision from the makers to go for that look, which would certainly be relevant to the article if there were sufficient sources to support it. --Michig (talk) 15:48, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Again, it's trivial infomation. Brocicle (talk) 15:50, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, whatever. Thanks for your input. --Michig (talk) 15:51, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Adding a section for tie-in books
Riverdale just recently released a school guidebook as well as a prequel novel. I wanted to put a Books section a little beneath the Comic Adaptation section(Obviously it won't be in the comic adaptation section, but just beneath it), but I was wondering if this might be objectionable, and if we should just make an other media or tie-ins section.--SamuelConners (talk) 18:27, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2019
Luke Perry will not be appearing on the show anymore Aachen suffered a stroke... He was aged 52 and all the Riverdale fans are devestated about this. 2A02:C7F:7651:8F00:59C6:D6BC:4B87:C66 (talk) 19:06, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 19:46, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Presumably they're looking for the article to acknowledge that Luke Perry (who has died) will not appear in season 4. I think perhaps any change or note of that nature, though, should perhaps be made after the "dust" settles (and perhaps pending any specific announcements made by The CW/Riverdale's crew, in case that matters). - Purplewowies (talk) 22:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Home Page
Does anyone know what happened to the home page? All the episodes are showing up and several sections are now gone.


 * Fixed. - Brojam (talk) 07:06, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Update
I LOVE 💘 RIVERDALE Can the person running this page update it please. Cornstalks (talk) 05:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Release
Can someone update it for the season 4? Currently, it has release on only Season 1,2 & 3! Aaryangupta23 (talk) 18:09, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:SOFIXIT. -- / Alex /21  21:31, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Shared universe/Homages
IP's like me can't be bold on protected pages. Would someone please give the Homages to other films and TV series section a See also link to the Shared universe section so people don't add duplicate information in both places? Thanks.

96.244.220.178 (talk) 23:52, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Spoilers
I see that the cast and characters section is a description of the characters from like a promotional thing from season 1 but I am wondering whether we should change it to be showing their changes in the other seasons Vancouver gal (talk) 07:21, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, we should. This is an encyclopedia, so we should strive to be a comprehensive as possible. We don't mind giving out spoilers. Debresser (talk) 12:19, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Riverdale franchise page
So now that Riverdale has two spin-offs, I was wondering if it would be appropriate to create a Riverdale franchise page similar to this one for the Chicago franchise and this one for the PLL franchise. The series have, at least in my opinion, begun doing more crossovers (noticeably so in CAOS Part 3) as well as more characters appearing in both shows (Ben Button, Billy Marlin, Katy Keene, and Jose McCoy have all appeared in more than one, the Blossom family and Archie have been mentioned in more than one). So should we add a franchise page? 96.238.36.15 (talk) 20:06, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Update reciption of the seasons
Guys the crictial reciption for the show has been a mixed bag since the second or first season and it only talks about the reciption for the first season which was not too bad but how come we dont have a article for every season like the other CW shows like the Arrowverse shows and the other stuff because this is really outdated sort of? NakhlaMan (talk) 03:08, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Be bold. Create drafts for the season articles. -- / Alex /21  06:22, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I created some drafts, if anyone is interested. Draft:Riverdale (season 1), Draft:Riverdale (season 2), Draft:Riverdale (season 3), Draft:Riverdale (season 4). QueerFilmNerd  talk 00:48, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Theres not much in these drafts they need more work what would be good is to have a reciption page for each season and an article for some important episodes like what the Arrowverse shows does. NakhlaMan (talk) 00:55, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Music
Hello! The soundtrack for Season 3 currently says their cover of "People Like Us" is the Kelly Clarkson song. This is wrong. It is a cover of the song from the LaChiusa version of the musical "The Wild Party." Could someone please change this? Tvreider (talk) 19:22, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2020
Editor(s) add: Marvin Matyka Brainoniel (talk) 22:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting question.svg Question: Add where? Please be more specific than just "add X". Reply with "add X before/after Y". &#123;&#123;replyto&#125;&#125; Can I Log In's (talk) page 23:19, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Images
I think this page could benefit from one or two images. Debresser (talk) 12:18, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Such as? -- / Alex /21  12:52, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No specific suggestions. I saw a page with no images (not counting the logo), and commented. One could add some pictures from actors/actresses, a picture from shooting a scene, or from a promotion event. As usual on such articles. Debresser (talk) 18:03, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, nice. Be bold. -- / Alex /21  18:56, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree, I think it could be helpful to show images of some of the hair, makeup, and CGI effects in the show to help the reader better understand the depth of character development the show provides through how they present themselves.Willstraub (talk) 00:47, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2020
Skeet Ulrich is not going to be in Riverdale in season 5, neither Marisol Nichols Zoiebrashear (talk) 07:33, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 13:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: Already mentioned in casting. Character list will be updated at the start of season 5. QueerFilmNerd  talk 18:23, 4 June 2020 (UTC)