Talk:Road to Ruin (Ramones album)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Seabuckthorn (talk · contribs) 11:32, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Nominator: Crowz  RSA

Hi! My review for this article will be here shortly. -- Seabuckthorn   ♥  11:32, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

1: Well-written
 * a. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:
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 * 5) ** Major Point 1: Conception "It was the first Ramones album to feature new drummer Marky Ramone, who replaced founding member Tommy Ramone. Tommy left due to lack of album sales but stayed with the band to produce the album with Ed Stasium. The artwork's concept was designed by Ramones fan Gus MacDonald, and later modified by John Holmstrom to included Marky instead of Tommy." (summarised well in the lead)
 * 6) ** Major Point 2: Lyrics and compositions "The songs on Road to Ruin were considered by both fans and critics as an attempt to get the band more airplay. The album incorporated musical elements which were unheard of in punk rock, such as guitar solos and ballads." (summarised well in the lead)
 * 7) ** Major Point 3: Reception "The difference in style caused for mixed reviews by critics, with many pointing out that the band was trying to sell more records through a change in form. This attempt by the band failed, as Road to Ruin debuted at 103 on the Billboard 200, nearly 50 places behind it's predecessor Rocket to Russia." (summarised well in the lead)
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 * 9) ** Major Point 1: Conception "It was the first Ramones album to feature new drummer Marky Ramone, who replaced founding member Tommy Ramone. Tommy left due to lack of album sales but stayed with the band to produce the album with Ed Stasium. The artwork's concept was designed by Ramones fan Gus MacDonald, and later modified by John Holmstrom to included Marky instead of Tommy." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body)
 * 10) ** Major Point 2: Lyrics and compositions "The songs on Road to Ruin were considered by both fans and critics as an attempt to get the band more airplay. The album incorporated musical elements which were unheard of in punk rock, such as guitar solos and ballads." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body)
 * 11) ** Major Point 3: Reception "The difference in style caused for mixed reviews by critics, with many pointing out that the band was trying to sell more records through a change in form. This attempt by the band failed, as Road to Ruin debuted at 103 on the Billboard 200, nearly 50 places behind it's predecessor Rocket to Russia." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body)
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 * 14) *** "Road to Ruin is the fourth studio album by the American punk rock band The Ramones, released on September 21, 1978 through Sire Records."
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2: Verifiable with no original research
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 * 10) * The first paragraph of the Conception section "After the band's previous album … Marc Bell went under the alias of Marky Ramone" appears somewhat offtopic to me. I’m not sure how it’s relevant to the conception of the album. The drummer Tommy Ramone’s replacement process can be, I believe, skimmed if not skipped.

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Thanks, CrowzRSA, very much for your diligence here. I do have some insights based on the above checklist that I think will improve the article :
 * The first paragraph of the Conception section "After the band's previous album … Marc Bell went under the alias of Marky Ramone" appears somewhat offtopic to me. I’m not sure how it’s relevant to the conception of the album. The drummer Tommy Ramone’s replacement process can be, I believe, skimmed if not skipped.
 * I took a few things out, but I would think since it is the band's first change in line-up it woould be a significant topic to put on this page. I know it has more-so to do with the actual band rather than album, but I feel as though including the process the members went through to obtain a new drummer is notable to the album since it is more-or-less the origin/history of the album.———I took out the information on the alias and made certain things more concise.
 * Okay! Thanks! --  Seabuckthorn   ♥  01:40, 16 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I think the statement "Even though the band had attempted to gain more mainstream acceptance with a change in musical style, it did not expand their audience as much as anticipated" can be more clear and easy to follow. (1a issue)
 * — I reworded and added quote by Tommy to assure it was not against WP:POV.
 * "With the band's slight change in musical style, material included on the album was intended to gain a sense of mainstream acceptance, though the band members felt as though this was not achieved.[8][9] Tommy relates: "Road to Ruin was a flop Stateside, even though it had been a very deliberate attempt to secure American radioplay."[9]" That's perfect! Thanks a lot! --  Seabuckthorn   ♥  01:40, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Besides that, I think the article looks excellent. Please feel free to strike out any recommendation from this review which you think will not help in improving the article which is our main aim here. All the best, --  Seabuckthorn   ♥  09:18, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick review Seabuckthorn!!! Crowz  RSA  19:19, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your outstanding contributions! --  Seabuckthorn   ♥  01:40, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Promoting the article to GA status. -- Seabuckthorn   ♥  01:40, 16 February 2014 (UTC)