Talk:Rob Pyne

Requested move 01 February 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved per WP:COMMONNAME. Although the participants were split roughly 50/50 on Rob Pyne or "Robert Pyne (Australian politician)", those preferring the further cited a Wikipedia naming policy, giving their arguments more weight. Number  5  7  12:59, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Robert Pyne (politician) → Rob Pyne – Known as; accidentally created duplicate at new name so won't move automatically. – Frickeg (talk) 01:11, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:03, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Use formal name or nickname? And, Robert Pyne (politician) hatlinks to Robert Pyne, which redirects to Robert Allan Pyne, who is also a politician. Is either much more notable than the other? Move Robert Pyne (politician) to Robert Pyne (Australian politician), and Robert Pyne to Robert Pyne (Canadian politician), and make a redirect page between these 2 and Robert Pine and Robert Edge Pine? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:03, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Why is this contested? He is universally referred to as "Rob Pyne" and the article is only at this name because the existing redirect prevented the creation of the article at the title it should have been created at? One of these men is known commonly as Robert Pyne, the other as Rob Pyne, the disambiguation is easy, and this should not have been contested. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 09:13, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * He appeared on ballot papers as "Rob Pyne" and has universally been referred to as such. The article actually should have been deleted prior to yesterday as he wasn't notable until he won the seat, but that's by the by. As for the various other Robert Pynes, pretty simple, I'd say. This one goes to "Rob Pyne", "Robert Pyne" is made a dab page, "Robert Pyne (politician)" redirects to the dab, and as for the Canadian politician, I leave that up to people familiar with such things to decide based on how the sources describe him. Frickeg (talk) 07:06, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, under page Rob Pyne I found an old speedy-deleted article about someone else, which I fished out from under and moved to Rob Pyne (Australian councillor) and re-deleted. Is it worthwhile undeleting it and including it in the disambig page? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:11, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you sure it's not the same guy? He was a councillor before being elected to parliament. Frickeg (talk) 07:19, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This is the start of the last edit of the deleted article Rob Pyne (Australian councillor): "Cr. Rob Pyne a fifth generation Cairns resident, has always lived on the south side. He was born in Gordonvale, grew up in Edmonton and has lived in Mt Sheridan for the last 14 years. In 1991 Rob suffered a tragic diving accident that left him a quadriplegic. Although being in a wheelchair for the past 20 years, it hasn’t stopped him achieving, always putting the ‘ability’ in ‘disability’. He spent nine months recuperating in Princess Alexandria Hospital Spinal Unit in Brisbane, during which time he married his fiancé Jenny. ...", and see image of his face. It is the same man. I have history-merged Rob Pyne (Australian councillor) to Robert Pyne (politician). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * To clarify what's going on here: before yesterday, this guy wasn't notable. The article should never have been accepted at AfC; in fact, it was declined twice (and the person who eventually accepted it noted that it should probably be at Rob Pyne). Since he was elected to the Queensland Parliament yesterday, he now qualifies. The fact that it is at "Robert" at all is probably because it had already been deleted at "Rob". This really is an uncontroversial move; I would have done it myself if I hadn't started a new page at "Rob Pyne" before I found the "Robert Pyne (politician)" one. Frickeg (talk) 07:45, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Move to Robert Pyne (Australian politician), and Robert Pyne to Robert Pyne (Canadian politician) as above In ictu oculi (talk) 08:57, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No, the Australian one should be at Rob Pyne, which is clearly the WP:COMMONNAME. Frickeg (talk) 09:02, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Move. This should not have been contested, and I'm not sure why the two users above keep ignoring WP:COMMONNAME. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 09:13, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Since it wasn't a BRD revert move, any non-mischievous reason for contesting the speedy move is a proper reason for contesting the move. It only extends the period to the move happening by 7 days -- 65.94.40.137 (talk) 12:52, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment the current title is wholly inappropriate, due to the existence of the Canadian politician. As the Canadian politician is currently functioning as the primary topic for "Robert Pyne", then "Robert Pyne (politician)" should also point to the primary topic. At the very least, this article needs to move to "Robert Pyne (Australian politician)" if it doesn't move to "Rob Pyne". -- 65.94.40.137 (talk) 12:55, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


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Extracting Dates and Details from Autobiography for possible Article Upgrade
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 * Parents: Tom & Marion Pyne
 * Older sister born 1960: Joann
 * Moth's parents, Bob O’Connell and May McKinnon
 * Marion married Tom when she was eighteen and he was twenty. The marriage joined two pioneering families, the Wienerts and the Pynes.
 * Marion was born out of wedlock in 1937, Marion's matriarchal line, Johan Wienert was born on a boat making its way to Australia from Germany in 1880. After arriving in Australia, his family settled in Cooktown. In true Aussie fashion, Johan became Jack
 * Tom Pyne was born in 1935 in one of Australia’s most beautiful and wettest of areas, the sugar town of Babinda went to Bellenden Ker State School about nine miles north of Babinda. His father John (Jack) owned a small cane farm at a place called Deeral
 * great-great grandfather, James Pyne, skippered the schooner “The Freddy” which plied the east coast waters, taking supplies to the fledgling settlements at Port Douglas and later Cairns: he was a merchant, trader, entrepreneur, landowner, industrialist and philanthropic businessman plus an original member of the Cairns Divisional Board

1970XXXX Bruceanthro (talk) 04:56, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Grew up in Edmonton, Sawmill Pocket Rd, later Mount Peter Road, surrounded by canefields, tracks, swimming holes
 * Hambelton sugar Mill was at Edmonton's centre, with mill and surrounding housed own by the Colonial Sugar Refining Company
 * Attended Hambelton State School (established as in 1887 as the Black Fellow Creek Provisional School)
 * 1979: Tom Murray was year 7 teacher, and politician Ray Jones invited to address the class. Rob passionate about rugby league