Talk:Robbie Williams/Archive 2

Failed "good article" nomination
Upon its review on January 2, 2008, this good article nomination was quick-failed because it:

"contains cleanup banners including, but not limited to, cleanup, wikify, NPOV, unreferenced, etc, or large numbers of fact, clarifyme, huh, or similar tags"

thus making it ineligible for good article consideration. It's obvious thet Robbie's PR team are actively editing the whole article. For example, there is no mention of his recent critical, economic, psychological and artistic downturn.

This article did not receive a thorough review, and may not meet other parts of the good article criteria. The tag has been there since November 2007 and is very much warranted, as the section contains no references. I also note that even a cursory glance at this article shows lots of uncited facts and sections, which means this article could not pass as a Good Article even if the section in particular that was tagged was fully referenced. I suggest ensuring that all facts and sections are properly referenced and cited before renomination. I encourage you to remedy this problem (and any others) and resubmit it for consideration. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far.— Cheers, CP 03:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Article reassesment has resulted in a consensus to endorse the article's failure. Please clean-up the issues noted above and at the archived discussion at Good article reassessment/Archive 34. --Jayron32| talk | contribs 04:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Walking definition of what now?
"With the success of Take That's comeback, Robbie Williams has become a walking definition of 'hubris'."

What does that even mean?? He's in love with himself because of his former band's success? Could someone registered please remove this obviously slanderous assertion from the article? Thanks60.45.99.43 (talk) 07:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Best-selling UK male solo artist
The Article says that he's outsold every other British Male Solo Artist in the UK. It should say more Albums than any other such Artist. He's certainly sold less over-all UK Records than Cliff Richard, who is ahead of Robbie, when Singles & Albums sales are combined.82.22.122.117 (talk) 11:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Removal of stories
I am confused about why some stories, with links, have been removed from this page. I read somewhere on this website that the point of Wikipedia was to be an encyclopedia, read in 100+ years and used as a resource. It baffles me then, that stories about Robbie Williams are being removed. These are the types of stories that people in 100+ years might be interested in when researching him, no matter how good or bad the story is. I have always positively talked about Wikipedia when others have told me it's unreliable and lacks a LOT of information about some subjects. Sadly, I am beginning to believe these people are right, and I fear that many years from now people wishing to research Williams will be lacking some very important information about the man and his life/career. Just because something on here is not considered "important" by us, does not mean that it won't be to someone else in the future, or even the present day when researching a subject. I am aware that Wikipedia is the first port of call for many journalists, students, and regular people who just want to find out a little more about certain subjects. What a shame it is that they will be missing out on something they might consider important to their cause. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.137.178 (talk) 01:09, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Information and sources backing it should be included if they are from reliable sources. Gossip and rumour should not. Jim Michael (talk) 02:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Robbie's interest in ufology
I noticed this sentence towards the bottom of the page:

"On 11 March 2008 Robbie Williams has quit being the mega successful pop star and moved on to become an alien investigater."

I don't wanna remove this - it made me chuckle. Tommyhaych 11:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

No, it's true and he is serious about his interest in ufology. He's deeply into it, it seems. He participated in a BBC Radio documentary regarding UFOs and extraterrestrials recently. I was surprised to see that this Wiki article barely mentions ufology. I'm not a fan of Robbie Williams' music, but I might add a section here on his interest in ufology which is now a major part of his life and probably will be for many years to come, judging by his comments on the subject. I'll include the BBC Radio programme. Proof Reader (talk) 00:39, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

He hasn't quit music because of it, he had some experiences that made him interested in the subject, Robbie says that the Jon Ronson interview is probably the most factual on what his thoughts are. He is a member of the AboveTopSecret website, he stated this in an interview, and you can see a thread here where he does a question and answer session, his username is chrisonabike.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread355738/pg1 Zbigniewwho (talk) 07:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, maybe he has quit music!! Here's something I just found http://www.welt.de/english-news/article2031353/Robbie_Williams_-_From_pop_star_to_ufologist.html I didn't get that impression from reading what Robbie himself has wrote, but who knows! Zbigniewwho (talk) 07:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Take That career?
This article solely concentrates on his solo career. What about when he was in Take That? This part of his career has been completely overlooked. --TheTall One 11:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Copies sold number incorrect?
There are a few areas in the article which are obviously wrong, so please verify and change. In section "I've Been Expecting You: European success in 1998," towards the end of the first paragraph, it reads "The song went on to sell over 4 copies in the UK..." - should this read "4 million copies"?

In section "The Ego Has Landed: Aiming for the American market in 1999," the first sentence of last paragraph reads "went on to sell 14 copies" and "platinum sales over 7 copies." Should both of these reads 14 million and 7 million, respectively? Nouanoua (talk) 11:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

"Williams appears to struggle with depression, insecurity, and self-loathing"
...and after reading travesty of a Wiki entry (it's basically just a fanzine containing the outpourings of what sounds like very young teenage fans), I'm not surprised. He certainly sounds like someone who is depressed, insecure, and highly loathable. But Wiki is not the place for amateur psychological assessment.

Perhaps, now that his career is clearly heading down the toilet, someone could rewrite this article from start to finish, to give a more balanced view?

In fact, shouldn't this article be merged with the Jonathan Wilkes entry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.246.71.166 (talk) 13:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wilkes has a small amount of notability independent of Williams. Jim Michael (talk) 02:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Addiction?
Robbie Williams cannot have been addicted to Seroxat (paroxetine). As a SSRI antidepressant you may have some (sometimes serious) withdrawal symptoms if it is stopped cold, but it is not habit forming, there is no craving associated and the passage should be changed to reflect this. Calling it an addiction is misleading if not completely wrong.

Numerous unsourced sales-figure related claims
First and most importantly, the page talks about Robbie Williams having sold as many as 95 million albums and singles combined world-wide, which seems unrealistic. We need a source confirming this outrageous figure.

Second, the page is full of unsourced claims addressing to the total sales of various of Williams' albums:

1. It claims that the album Life Thru a Lens has sold over 4 million copies world-wide (There is some source but it does not talk about sales-figures)Williams#Life Thru a Lens .281996.E2.80.931998.29.

2. It claims I've Been Expecting You has sold about 15 million world-wide (no source provided)Williams#I.27ve Been Expecting You: European success in 1998.

3. It claims that the album Sing When You're Winning has sold 6 million world-wide (no source provided) Williams#Sing When You.27re Winning: International success .281999.E2.80.932001.29.

4. It talks about Escapology having sold 3.5 million world-wide (again no source provided) Williams#Escapology .282002.E2.80.932003.29.

5. Greatest Hits under 8 million world-wide (no source again) Williams#Greatest Hits .282004.29.

6. Intensive Care over 7 million world-wide (no source) Williams#Intensive Care .282004.E2.80.932005.29.

Not to mention that the page is full of multi gold/platinum claims for different countries without being backed up with sources.

All such claims need to be removed if there are no corresponding websites to be found--Harout72 (talk) 03:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC).

95 Million albums sold?
How is that counting with Take That or something. If you use his number listed it total 53 million albums sold yet on the front page it says 95. Plus there arent enough sources for his sells. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jammy2 (talk • contribs) 08:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

This edit seems questionable
I've just undone this edit by an anon, because it seems that it may be true, but should be cited or backed up somehow. I'm posting here to see whether anyone has information regarding this claim that can help source it. Until such time, I think it should stay out of the article. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Latin American sales
The article states: "It is also estimated he is currently the best selling artist in Latin America at the moment with over 3 million sold." The cited reference does support the claim that he is very popular in Latin America but in no way says he is "currently" the best selling artist in Latin America. I think at most it supports a claim that he is one of the best selling English language recording artist in Latin America. Just as an example I would note that the reference to his Latin America sales are for his entire career. If that is the measure, then one should look at Julio Iglesia's entire career, having sold, ackording to Wikipedia, more than 250,000,000 albums (that is worldwide I have yet to find the Latin American breakdown - but I suspect that it outstrips Robbie Williams 3,000,000 LA sales. Franklin Moore 22:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexnovo (talk • contribs)

What is Robbie up to currently?
Robbie Williams is currently working on a new single called 'im not a tramp'. Its thought to be realised in a few months time and hopefully make it to #1. Its a truely amazing song, once he has made all money possible from this song he is going to become a fashion designer and hopefully make his own range of clothing.

Introduction paragraph & Swing When You're Winning (2001)
"In 2003 he announced his homosexuality." & "...Williams took the chance to duet with his long-time friend and lover Jonathan Wilkes...."

Are these statements correct?Andy UK (talk) 11:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

that's really rubbish Koc61 (talk) 18:50, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Reception In North America section
"Despite Williams' immense popularity worldwide, he has still yet to become a major chart or concert success in the United States because the Americans think he is rubbish like most people do."

Wut? 66.6.145.136 (talk) 17:28, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Renaming the page
to follow wiki page naming guidelines this article should be renamed Robbie Williams (Singer) - can someone do that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mogmartin (talk • contribs) 12:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No. He's the most notible Robert or Robbie Williams on here.  Cra sh  Underride  07:47, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Schooling
St. Margaret Ward primary school is not Muslim, but Roman Catholic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.228.134.150 (talk) 20:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Tour pages!
Does anyone want to help to create more tour pages?? PLEASE help! ( MariAna Mimi) (09:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC))

Songwriting
Robbie Williams doesn't actually write songs. He only writes the lyrics. Something his first co-songwriter (forget his name) stated many times. Guy Chambers wrote all of the music in their collabarations. He stated Williams only provided lyrics.

It's pretty obvious. He has no solo compositions. They are all done with the aid of another writer. As in, they write the song, and then he adds lyrics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.128.223.68 (talk) 12:32, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh,come onnn!Koc61 (talk) 18:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

The other singles?
The other singles? Better Man? Win Some Lose Some? Karma Killer? Make Me Pure? My Way? United? My Culture? We`re the Pet Shop Boys? Mack The Knife? Bongo Bong And Je Ne T'Aime Plus? Angels (Live)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.12.124.186 (talk) 04:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Introduction paragraph of the article is strangely articualted
As is states in the introduction paragraph: "His career started at the age of 15 as a dancer with the pop band Take That in 1989, which he left in 1995 to launch his solo career.". It seems that all he did was dance in Thake That, which is wrongly putted. He actually did some singing also, for whoever is old enough to remember....Such lousy articles make wikipedia less worth actually. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.48.176.180 (talk) 22:11, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments
The article could do with a copy-edit. Citations need attention. Why is the section on "Sexuality" so long and involved? By making such a big thing of it (with flimsy evidence either way—almost gossipy), the article pushes a message that it's important. Is it? Tony  (talk)  13:31, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

More information
About his reception around the world, particulary america. His upcoming single for Sport Relief 2010 "My Sun" and his work on the 2010 charity single "Everybody Hurts". His participation in the 2010 Brits awards too. --Cooly123 01:48, 30 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Finding Nemo's Academy Award nominated soundtrack
The reference to Beyond the Sea as part of Finding Nemo's "Academy Award nominated soundtrack" is inaccurate. The Academy Awards for music are for best original score and best original song for which Beyond the Sea would be ineligible. The song is, I assume, included on the CD of "music from the soundtrack of..." but that has nothing to do with any Academy Award - plus the link is dead.

Dead or broken links
There are quite a few links in need of repair or wayback archive replacement options, anyone can help repair them, the red ones are in need of repair see here. thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 13:07, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

How many records has Robbie Williams sold?
Ever since 2006, they've been saying Robbie Williams has sold 55 million albums overall (not including any Take That). Since then he's released Reality Killed the Video Star. RKTVS is Gold and Platinum across the world, so I think he sold some of them and people must have been buying his old albums during the past 4 years, so can anyone update that figure with something newer. --aliw136 19:21, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Nationality
According to WP:UKNATIONALS the opening section should describe a British persons nationality depending on how they identify themself, and uniformity should not be enforced. With that approach in mind, I searched for sources that have Williams suggest he has preference to being English rather than British and I found none. As such I have modified the opener until such evidence is discovered, per the policy. TheStig t ·c 23:50, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That is not policy, is is an essay and the opinion of some editors. Off2riorob (talk) 00:17, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It has to be dealt with (as I have seen it done) on a case-by-case basis. This is probably the correct, but unfortunate, approach, principally because of the very lack of consensus that exists. It's all very well on occasion to cite various laws, but that does not override nationalistic pride (or, mutatis mutandis, its converse). The current position is supremely unhelpful as regards reverting editors who persist in imposing their personal preferences, and the best that can be achieved is to refer to previous consensus (where it exists) or to direct to the Talk page to form a new consensus. Rodhull  andemu  00:27, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well said. The issue is very disruptive all over the wikipedia. Off2riorob (talk) 01:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Very disruptive and it would be helpful if this was discussed in a single place rather than over five or six talk pages (see Talk:Susan Boyle and Talk:Leona Lewis). There is no reason to follow an essay, but as you keep saying uniformity should not be enforced, surely you should stop enforcing uniformity. Anemone  Projectors  10:17, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Greatest Hits 2
I've added the second Robbie Williams greatest hits, which was a limited album also titled 'Greatest Hits' (but is often called Greatest Hits 2 or II). It's been sat around in the Greatest Hits 2 disambiguation page for ages i wondered why it was not here, or in the template. Well i've added it, and sucsessfully de-orphaned it too. --77.99.231.37 (talk) 15:56, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh no! Someones deleted it. I would of expected that seeming it's a small tiny article. What is the actual reason for it's deletion though?--77.99.231.37 (talk) 18:32, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't list anything other than studio releases in artists articles; live & compilations should go into a discography article. Rodhull  andemu  19:04, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I know. I meant the Greatest Hits 2 article itself has been deleted. It no longer exsists. I was wondering about that.--77.99.231.37 (talk) 21:00, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Vocal coach?
I've never heard of Robbie Williams being referred to as a vocal coach before, yet it appears in the opening line of this article. Singer? Yeah. Songwriter? Yeah. Occasional actor? Perhaps a little over the top but he has done some very minor acting work. I struggle to understand the addition of vocal coach, though. Even if he is taken on as a "vocal coach" on some German tv show, I don't think that qualifies seriously as a vocal coach. At least, it's not a strong enough reference for the lead. ElvisFan1981 (talk) 21:12, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Robbie Williams does not live in Beverly Park
Williams reneged on the purchase of 14 Beverly Park about 18 months ago. I am the owner that he screwed. 69.235.149.56 (talk) 20:31, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you got a citation for his correct address? Looking at the article it doesn't say he lives at any Beverly Park address. Off2riorob (talk) 22:00, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Is this paragraph in any way relevant?
Hi, I was reading through this article and in the 'personal life' section there is this paragraph: ''On 30 November 2009, Williams's hairdresser Aaron Vickers was found dead in woodland near to Williams's then home in Wiltshire. Vickers first met Williams in Los Angeles after being introduced by their mutual friend Jonathan Wilkes. When Williams bought the £8.5 million mansion in early 2009, Vickers lived at the estate for some months but had recently moved back in with his mother who lives nearby. Vickers was last seen by his boyfriend at 1am on Monday 30 November, and his body was found hanged in the woods the following morning.[152][153]''

My question is if this info is in any way relevant to understanding Robbie Williams? So, his hairdresser died near where Williams lived for a time. This seems to be completely irrelevant to the article, a factoid just spat out. It added nothing to my own understanding of Williams, does it add anything relevant to the article?. Is this paragraph necessary? Should it be deleted? If not why not? Comments and suggestions welcome! Mondegreen de plume (talk) 14:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw it and had similar thoughts, your hairdresser gets found hanging in the woods close to your house .... I will investigate the cites. Off2riorob (talk) 14:45, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, I followed the refs to the Jon Ronson UFO article which revealed that Williams mother had an interest in the paranormal and used to read Tarot cards for people. But this is not in the article that I can find. I think this info about his personal life is far more interesting than his hairdresser dying, unless there is good verifiable material about the longlasting or strong effect on Williams life. Perhaps a song dedicated or about the hairdresser (like Elton John wrote about a friend who was run over (I think)). It would be interesting to see what you find! Replacing an irrelevant paragraph about the death with one about his mother's interest in the paranormal would improve the article and add insight into Williams, I think. Mondegreen de plume (talk) 01:57, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Overlong and not always factual
This entire Wikipedia entry looks like something that should be on a fan site and not a supposed electronic encyclopaedia. Like most Wikipedia articles on celebrities, it is long on hype and short on substance; doesn't include any controversial comments (all are promptly deleted) and rambles on and on and on. Wikipedia editors should ensure that listing are both accurate and representative. These entries should not be used by fans to promote specific celebrities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.165.68.66 (talk) 07:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC) I have to agree. This article is dreadful. It's like a cut and paste of "Greatest Artist Ever" blah blah blah. Not a real lot of facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.160.38.183 (talk) 03:14, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Mistake
it says "The album's first single "Tripping", was released on 3 October 2005, it became an international success topping the charts in Germany, Austria, the Netherlands, Italy, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway and Spain." but you can see here, that it topped the charts only in three countries... why? Ofekalef (talk) 16:08, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No one can help? Ofekalef (talk) 17:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Record Labels
Since I can't be changed by me, somebody has to do it. Robbie was with Chrysalis/EMI and his last album and compilation released by Virgin as a Solo Artist. He is now under Polydor since he came back with Take That. Take That are no longer with BMG, neither Sony Music, The band has never released something through Sony (or Sony/BMG during the merger). There is confusion in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xilefeniotan (talk • contribs) 13:55, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Smoking
The article says he quit smoking in 2009 however he also supports gay rights. However there are pictures of him smoking cigarettes in March 2010. (92.10.130.51 (talk) 10:23, 21 July 2011 (UTC))

Edit request from Chloeyoung, 18 September 2011
Chloeyoung (talk) 12:18, 18 September 2011 (UTC) born in 1961 in london
 * Do you have a source for these edits? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 13:23, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 80.236.40.11, 19 September 2011
External Link
 * Robbie Williams Radio

80.236.40.11 (talk) 10:55, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Spammy website, I can't see how it adds to our understanding of this topic (see WP:EL) - so, for now,  Chzz  ►  04:10, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from, 7 October 2011
Robbie Williams new album will be released on 28th November 2011. the first single from the album will be released on 21st November 2011. An announcement on the release of the single and album is likely on 12th October 2011.

Halvarras30 (talk) 11:07, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Bility (talk) 18:52, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Discography
The list on the main page is too much in line with wiki standards, it should just have studio releases and not include compilations, live albums and EPs. It could, however, include studio albums with TakeThat. Yellowxander (talk) 19:14, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. But when you say it's "too much in line with wiki standards", what are you saying? because that sounds as though it's just what's expected for Wikipedia. Lopifalko (talk) 22:10, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * yeah basically. as there is a separate page for the discography then the standard way to list is just the studio albums, rather than going into detail, as that is what the discography page is for. so it just keeps from filling the page up too much, along with not including tables and charts etc. the format is spot on though! [* Album Title, (year)] Yellowxander (talk) 20:05, 11 January 2012 (UTC) =)

Personal life - Paxil/Seroxat
I did add "Paxil" at next to "Seroxat" because Paxil is how the antidepressant is sold in US and "Seroxat" in UK. I didn't do it right because the correction is in red. All the articles that refer to "paroxetine" use both "Paxil/Seroxat", just like this. The name "Aropax" as it is market in Australia and other countries is not used.

It would be good to put these information in the Health topic. By the way, Seroxat/Paxil is addictive and many people try to withdraw from it without success and end up having to take it for life. --Justana (talk) 14:52, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Slim down, move sales facts & figures to tables?
This article reels off fact after fact after fact, without any narrative flow, and so is incredibly boring to read without giving much real information. It deals overly with very external shallow matters, the statistics and metrics of record releasing, rather than the man himself. Does anyone want to read in prose how this single reached this different chart position in these different countries and was declared platinum and 49th best selling of all time. And this is even after removing all the flowery language such as "smash hit" and "around the world" that I'm currently removing. All these chart positions and numbers sold could be much more efficiently displayed in a table, where people who wanted to read it could take it in much more easily, and people who didn't want to read it could ignore it and not have to plough their way through it to get to the meat of the article. In fact they are, in Robbie Williams discography! Personally I suspect no-one cares for that kind of information anyway. I'll happily remove all such sales talk. Lopifalko (talk) 09:34, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * yeah, sales of releases usually go into a chart in the discography section/page shown in release order. some examples should be included in the article in the relevant sections though i think? haven't read it myself ;) Yellowxander (talk) 20:09, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Robbie Williams and Charlie Condou
The Charlie Condou article has a statement "In his youth Condou lived with Robbie Williams." I've put a note on the talk page there to the effect that, taken in context, most people would read this as implying a sexual relationship. Given Robbie Williams' apparent protested heterosexuality, surely this would contravene our guidelines on biographies of living persons. I don't have the Attitute article to hand, and I refuse on principle to access the Sunday Times via a firewall, so I don't know whether the quoted sources would support the statement. Perhaps it would be safer to re-phrase as "shared a flat with", which is presumably not in question. I'm repeateing this here as probably more people look at this page than the Charlie Condou one. --rossb (talk) 08:10, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Didn't a former manager claim he was gay? It caused some controversy in the press. I was about to say I'm surprised its not in the article, but then again there are a TON of homophobes on this fucking site... --98.246.156.76 (talk) 09:28, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 June 2012
There is a broken link with the word "Rudebox". Can you please edit the page, put this word in brackets: "album", put this line in "|" and put the word "Rudebox" in front of the line?

92.3.254.36 (talk) 00:16, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done - I disambiguated it to Rudebox (song).  —  Jeff G. ツ  (talk)   00:39, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Smoking
According to an interview in September 2012 Williams has only just given up smoking. He did not quit in 2009. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-09-14/news-and-interviews/33843653_1_ayda-field-robbie-williams-sake (92.7.26.36 (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC))


 * I don't know whether this applies to Williams or not, but due to the highly addictive nature of nicotine, it's quite common for smokers to quit multiple times before leaving cigarettes behind for good. Therefore, he may well have quit in 2009, 2010, 2011, AND 2012, for all we know. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 04:27, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Photos of Live at Knebworth
Hi everyone, I'm a user from the German Wikipedia and plan to write an article about Live at Knebworth there. Unfortunately we do not have any pictures of the concert on Commons yet. Therefore I wanted to ask, if anyone has photos from that event in 2003 and might upload them. Would be great. Best regards --84.137.28.63 (talk) 20:09, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Fatherhood
As Williams has become a first-time father recently (a significant event), I have created a separate section that needs to be updated.--Soulparadox (talk) 04:45, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Monkeys?
Well, after reading some of this article, it seems that a large proportion has been written/edited by monkeys.

A serious copyedit is needed to correct some of the terrible phrasing, facts need checking and refs need adding to certain areas. I will go over it if i have time over the next 2 days, but would prefer if others also looked at it. My fav bits so far: "an image of his face and his mind unveiled daily" and "A joint statement between Williams and the group said "[QUOTE]" read the band's statement. I really would like to see the scans of his brain that were posted ...

I have already corrected this massive cock-up: "In November, Williams new solo single in eight years, 'Candy' [...]" Britney Spears

What about these? 2005
 * "Tripping"
 * "Make Me Pure"
 * "Advertising Space"
 * "Sin Sin Sin"

2006
 * "Rudebox"
 * "Kiss Me"
 * "Lovelight"

2007
 * "Bongo Bong and Je Ne T'aime Plus"
 * "She's Madonna"

2009
 * "Bodies"
 * "You Know Me"

2010
 * "Morning Sun"

Hopefully someone else can get onto checking it as well - it is exactly this kind of factual inaccuracy that gives people ammunition to say Wikipedia is unreliable. Chaosdruid (talk) 23:12, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 November 2012
Please include in the Wealth section a reference to Robbie's view on London property prices as reported in the London Evening Standard, in particular his thoughts that : " I’m worth £100m but house prices in London are 'frightening' "

link : http://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/robbie-williams-im-worth-100m-but-house-prices-in-london-are-frightening-8360195.html

Thanks on behalf of all priced-out people.

109.152.37.148 (talk) 17:00, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Please provide the exact text you want added. Your last statement has me worried that this is an attempt at using Wikipedia for advocacy. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 18:28, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 April 2013
Robbie still has his house in Compton Bassett it has definitely not been sold

62.30.138.241 (talk) 18:19, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 18:29, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Former manager "outing" him?
Didn't a former manager claim he was gay around 2006 or so? It caused some controversy in the press. You know you read or heard about it. I was about to say I'm surprised its not in the article, but then again ... --98.246.156.76 (talk) 09:29, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * First, implicitly blaming Wikipedians (who for the record are some of the most open people I've seen to ideas like these) by calling them homophobes has no place here, and second, if you are so certain you saw this, why don't you find some reliable stuff and help us by putting it here on the talk page (since the page is semi-protected).  Lazy Bastard  Guy  23:32, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Invalid link in references
Reference 19 "Frith. 2012-09-13. Entertainment Wise." is an invalidly formatted URL, and doesn't work.

It currently links to

http://www.entertainmentwise.com%2Fnews%2F87822%2FRobbie-Williams-Plans-To-Return-To-Take-That-As-He-Continues-Solo-Tour&amp;ei=vZVnUPnjA-fC0QXvq4GQBA&amp;usg=AFQjCNHE3GaYJdV5-5pnBFnutQYFTEEa1Q&amp;sig2=efz-T8wVUDqJJjRnS2JjQgHolly

I think the link should be to

http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/87822/Robbie-Williams-Plans-To-Return-To-Take-That-As-He-Continues-Solo-Tour?ei=vZVnUPnjA-fC0QXvq4GQBA&usg=AFQjCNHE3GaYJdV5-5pnBFnutQYFTEEa1Q&sig2=efz-T8wVUDqJJjRnS2JjQgHolly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.48.153 (talk) 05:57, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Graham Norton Show appearance
I just watched The Graham Norton Show tonight (23 November) on BBC America. Williams spoke about his wife and how he attended the birth of their child, whom he called "Teddy". Further, he spoke about two songs he wrote: one expresses his commitment to his wife and one, his commitment to his daughter. I don't know details about his career, so I didn't recognize the names of the two songs, but if there's a British editor here who could watch the show online, mention of these dedications would enhance the article's "Relationships" section, I think. Thank you for your time, Wordreader (talk) 04:20, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Minor: Invalid crossreference
The link to Nordic Games in the Video Game section links to the wrong sub-page. It should link here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Games_GmbH. Thanks, Martin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fappah (talk • contribs) 21:16, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: in the section about wealth...
94.64.27.44 posted this comment on 5 January 2014 (view all feedback).

"in the section about wealth you should revise his estimated net worth to his current one, approximately 105 mil british pounds."

Any thoughts?

CrossHouses (talk) 13:06, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Rehab for Lucozade?
The cited reference doesn't exist anymore, but surely a sports drink addiction wasn't something he was getting treatment for. I've never heard of rehab for what is essentially Gatorade. ∆ nbmatt 09:24, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2014
Changes need to be added to reflect his suicide

197.254.104.42 (talk) 07:42, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It's Robin Williams who died. Sam Sing! 07:56, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Origin
In the infobox it says "Origin: London, England". What the hell is that about? He has nothing to do with London. Ok, his first solo album was recorded in London but that doesn't mean he originates from London. Music artists record albums all over the world. His music career originates from Stoke and Manchester, not London. I've put a "Citation Needed" tag on it and if it isn't referenced in a week, I'll remove London as his so-called "Origin". IJA (talk) 20:10, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2014
197.28.6.144 (talk) 03:27, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * . This request is empty.  Biblio worm 04:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Robbie Williams son
In the personal life section it lists Theodora Rose as his daughter but just refers to his son as 'his second child'. His son was named Charlton Valentine Williams, as reported by Robbie on his official Twitter (a simple Google search can confirm this). Think this should be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lorenzov90 (talk • contribs) 10:53, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2016
Please can you change the main image to the following as it is more up-to-date: http://cdn.robbiewilliams.com/sites/default/files/rwlive2015.jpg

Bcw500 (talk) 16:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ that comes from RobbieWilliams.com, which clearly states "RobbieWilliams.com ©2016" - we cannot use copyright images - Arjayay (talk) 17:05, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

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New photo of Robbie 2016 available, new haircut and new shape:

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 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Not an improvement over the current one .... and plus you're the uploader which begs of desperation anyway. – Davey 2010 Talk 14:48, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2017
However in November 2012 Robbie reunited with Take That for the last time to sing Never Forget at the Music Industry Trust Awards. 95.151.226.98 (talk) 17:18, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
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Mistake
britpop?????!??!?!?!???!!!!!!!!! Bernardwatkins (talk) 22:02, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Relationships
There is a section named "Relationships and fatherhood". However, that section (relationships being in plural) is pretty uncomplete. While searching for articles about Jacqueline Hamilton-Smith, daughter of Lord Colwyn, in general, I occasionally found out that between c. 1995 and 1997 she had been Williams' first popular girlfriend and read this article: Robbie's elusive life through a lens. I'm posting it here, as I think it might help to complete that section, which only starts in 2006 at the moment. In 1998 his girlfriend Nicole Appleton even became pregnant, so I'm pretty sure that this section, which should actually start with his 1990's relationships and not in 2006, is not satisfying at the moment. --SamWinchester000 (talk) 17:25, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * As this is a BLP article it needs solid references. The Chris Heath book would be one to follow in this instance. Not the sleaze in Robbie Williams: Angels & Demons that was used for the Scotsman article. Karst (talk) 20:51, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I didn't say that this would be a good source. I was only wondering that there is missing pretty much, including long-time relationships and a well known pregnancy, in that section, and wanted to hint on that. --SamWinchester000 (talk) 17:22, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2017
77.106.172.249 (talk) 20:02, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Please change the image at the infobox in the robbie williams article. The current picture shows Williams at the 2015 cannes festival, and i would like you in wikipeida to change the image to a more appropriate picture of him. I don`t like the picture because he is blond in the hair. I would like you to instead have a younger photo of him from back in the early of 2000s.

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http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Robbie+Williams/Bad+Hair+Day+2002/WSrhWBIl1tn

http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/robbie_williams

http://shaan.typepad.com/shaanou/2012/11/robbie-williams-announces-concert-in-estonia-.html
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Just because you don't like how he looks doesn't mean it isn't appropriate for Wikipedia. We also can't just use a picture from another website without verifying that image's copyright status; see the image use policy. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 16:27, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Wealth
The section states -

"Williams is a lifelong supporter of Port Vale, based in his home town of Stoke-on-Trent. In February 2006, he bought £240,000 worth of shares in the club, making him the majority shareholder.[112]"

- but a correct statement would be -

"Williams is a lifelong supporter of Port Vale, based in his home town of Stoke-on-Trent. In February 2006, he bought £240,000 worth of shares in the club, making him the largest individual shareholder.[112]"

References: Companies House - Port Vale (Valiant2001) Football Club Ltd.

The issuable share capital of the PVFC company, at that time, was £1 million, although that share capital was not fully issued until a date after February 2006, at which point Robbie Williams held 24% of the issued share capital.

The issuable share capital was subsequently increased above £1 million and new share capital was issued, thus decreasing the percentage of the total share capital held by Robbie Williams.

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