Talk:Robert De Niro/Archive 1

Bananarama
Maybe something for trivia: isn't there an 80's song called Robert De Niro's waiting?

=> Yes, by Brit Girl group Bananarama — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.49.150.65 (talk) 14:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

De Niro's heritage
Regarding the categories, I believe that ethnically Mr. De Niro is, despite his name, more Irish than Italian. Quill

Yes, I have heard many times that Robert De Niro is mostly Irish.
 * he is 1/4 Irish.

Did De Niro speak any Italian while growing up, or just English? Alexander 007 07:21, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * his granndfather was born in Italy so unlikely Robert Jr. spoke the language. Arniep 21:16, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

" Although De Niro is often thought to be of Italian descent, he is also part Dutch, French, German, and Irish, but identifies "more with [his] Italian side than with [his] other parts.""
 * Can anybody find a source for this? IMDB mentions at least three times that he's Irish, so I think that, unless someone finds a cogent citation to the contary, it should be removed, and stated that he is in fact mostly Irish-American.
 * His paternal grandfather was Italian, paternal grandmother Irish, maternal grandfather mixture of Dutch/French/British, maternal grandmother German. Arniep 21:14, 20 October 2005 (UTC)


 * To add something here, I consider myself more jewish than anything else, because I take after my father in appearance and personality, he takes more after his father in appearance and personality, rather than my cajun french grandmother or irish great-grandmother. So I call myself jewish, even though I'm more like a samaritan, heh. 71.15.46.131 13:14, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

It might be reasonably asked how De Niro manages to be "three quarters Irish through his mother" when your mother only gives you half your genetic inheritance (your father gives you the other half, in case you were wondering).User: 22:10, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

The use of fractions to donate someones ancestral background is so vague as to be nearly meaningless. cardigan3000
 * How can it be vague? If anything it is over precise. Arniep 21:12, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

For example. If someone has grand parents who are respectively Dutch, Swedish , French and Norwegian then do you give them a quarter each. If his parents are then considered for example American and Canadian do you then give each of these a half? What if one of his great great grandparents was scottish? WHat fraction do they have? In the end you will have a number that is above 1. Therefore it is worthless. User: 12:21, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I found the source of the picture, I didn't see a copyright, though. I'll look again.-Wiseguy100

Why is Robert De Niro listed as a German-American?
 * because one of his grandparents was German. Arniep 21:12, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

"Like so many fellow actors, De Niro is a staunch Democrat." Is this really NPOV?--Mpeisenbr 14:28, 2005 August 31 (UTC)

Yes, I think this is right because De Niro's political activism is well known, although this only became the case in the late 1990s, and it is in keeping with the vast majority of Hollywood people.

I don't know why Arniep is clearly against Italian orgins. I'm an Italian guy so I try to explain to him (and to everybody, of course) something about Robert De Niro's origins. I changed the actor's orginis from American to Italian American many times and every time Arniep replaced it back. Well, De Niro is widely considered an Italian American. Here some questions: first, De Niro's surname cleary reveals his Italian past; second, De Niro as always be identified as an Italian American character due to his roles in IA films (let's think about Goodfellas, Analyze This, the marvelous Godfather, Part II, ecc); third, HE identifies himself as an Italian American man according to many interviews (he has stated that he identifies "more with (his) Italian side than with (his) other parts." That's written in Wikipedia's page), the honorary Italian citizenship (he don't get it because of Italian diplomatic problems), the many presences as a member of the NIAF (The National Italan American Foundation) to official events. So there're pleanty of reasons why De Niro must be considered an Italian American actor. I think Wikipedia, a free expression of culture, have to be as much as possible free and correct. I don't want to change De Niro's heritage anymore. If you would rechange it again I'll send a mail to Wikipedia's Webmaster due to loss of free expression. Thank u and good work

Doctor01

PS The same as Brittany Murphy: I saw you canghed her page again. Her father was Italian and that makes her Italian American (her original name is Sharon Bertolotti).
 * Arniep has made a valid editorial decision by removing that from the introductory sentence. The first sentence should give the subject's nationality, not ethnicity.  Ethnic heritage may properly be described in the article, but short of a subject like Thurgood Marshall (the first African American to be either Solicitor General or Supreme Court justice), it is not going to be so integral to the subject that the information deserves top billing.  Try to keep identity politics out of this, and whatever claim you were trying to make about "free expression" appears to be meritless.  Postdlf 23:09, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Britanny Murphy is only half Italian and DeNiro is only 1/4. You used the phrase "widely regarded" - "Widely regarded" does not refer to facts, it refers to fiction constructed by the public. An encyclopedia is about facts.Vulturell 06:41, 13 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm not particularly keen to get involved in this debate, but I have to say I found it amusing that Doctor01 references Goodfellas, a movie in which De Niro plays an Irish-American character. --Ryano 15:57, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

"Tufano" vandalism
Note that edits inserting supposed information about "Marc Tufano" are vandalism and should be reverted on sight. This has affected multiple articles (Robert De Niro, The Beatles, etc. etc.) -- Curps 18:40, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

De Niro and Pacino
It says in the article that De Niro didn't work with Al Pacino until "Heat", in 1995. What about "The Godfather, Part II"? Carter Somerville 23:02, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, article corrected. Arniep 23:44, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

This depends on what you consider to be meant by "work with Al Pacino" As in Godfather II although they appear in the same film they do not share the screen as they are part of two different timelines, in fact they would not have worked together on the making of this film and quite possibly were never once on set at the same time. In the commentary for the Godfather II DVD it is pointed out that for a split second between a fade out from 'young vito' to Michael in present time you can see both character sharing the screen, this was said to be the only time they had shared a screen until Heat.

With this in mind i would re-correct the article and state that they never worked together until Heat, i do not think that appearing in the same film is enough to qualify as working together unless they shared a scene. - Gary Murphy, 5th Feb 2006.
 * That seems logical and of course is correct in the terms with which film people consider having worked together they did not until Heat.(82.35.165.216 00:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC))

De Niro's height
I believe De Niro's height should be listed as 5'9" because has been known for wearing lifts in his shoes throughout his movie career. His page at celebheights.com makes it clear 5'9" was the maximum height he was, and now at 62 he is closer to 5'8".

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.21.8 (talk) 23:33, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

What about college and the draft?
What did De Niro do about college, and how did he skip military service during the longest war in America's history? It would seem that some attention to these salient areas would be in order. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.147.246 (talk) 04:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Early career
DeNiro does not exclusively speak Italian throughout The Godfather Part II, he does speak some English. Tzittnan (talk) 00:12, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

De Niro's Italian accent
Is it true ? I've seen someone add this info in the page. I don't know so I'm asking to you. --Doctor01 12:33, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Stephanie Adams
Under "Trivia", were were told: Dated professional model Stephanie Adams for a length of time.

I've removed this.

A weaker version of this claim has appeared within Stephanie Adams (now protected). The only evidence yet proffered for the weaker claim is a mention in a short gossip column (the JPEG is displayed on Adams's website) in one or other of NYC's lowbrow newspapers that an unnamed source had said that Adams had had an (yes, one) "intimate" dinner at De Niro's place. (See that article's talk page for discussion.) This is very, very feeble evidence for a claim made in the article on Adams, about whom there's really not much to say and for whom some barrel-scraping might be understandable (if not justifiable). De Niro is hugely more noteworthy, and the article about him certainly doesn't need to descend to such levels of feebly sourced trivia. -- Hoary 00:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Should it perhaps be mentioned that he really digs black women?

I've removed (from the "Trivia" section) the claim that De Niro dated one Stephanie Adams. This dubiously sourced little factoid has been removed from the article on Adams since various tiresome discussions in Talk:Stephanie_Adams/Archive_1. There's not much to say in an article about Adams but plenty to say about De Niro; if there's no space for this tittle-tattle in Adams's page there's certainly none in De Niro's. -- Hoary (talk) 15:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * And see above, under "Stephanie Adams". -- Hoary (talk) 16:23, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Hoary, you may or may not like Adams, but THAT is a non-issue, not her, because she is a celebrity. Your personal attack on her in the subject of this topic was edited to reflect a more neutral tone. Also, I found a few articles that did speak of Adams dating DeNiro and added the trivia back, along with one of the relevant references. Perhaps you should edit articles on people you like or have a neutral opinion about for a change. 71.167.227.11 (talk) 23:01, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, yes, Adams is a sleb. She's is a non-issue in an article on De Niro. I've restored the title of this section.


 * The cited "source" is, I believe, a short gossip column that says that "a source says" that she Adams "an intimate dinner" with De Niro. That some gossip column quotes "a source" as saying that Adams had "an intimate dinner" with De Niro seems pretty feeble evidence for dating to me. Even I -- without the beauty, intelligence, riches, or slebrity of Adams -- have had intimate dinners with three people just in the last three weeks. Big deal, not.


 * Oh, I've seen the gossip column because a scan was scanned proudly posted by Adams (or a member of her staff) on one of her websites, and avidly linked to by SPA User:GODDESSY and various IPs.


 * This comment of mine is partly autoplagiarized from one that I added to Talk:Stephanie Adams at 12:53, 30 April 2006 (UTC): I do urge anyone wondering who Stephanie Adams might be or what's going on here to look at the first archive of that talk page. -- Hoary (talk) 03:51, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I added this "non-issue" of a debate to the topic where it was originally posted by "Hoary" some time ago. Like you, we are all allowed to edit and re-edit as we see fit, and this properly sourced "trivia" is sufficient enough to be re-added and remain. Adams dated DeNiro and it was also mentioned that year on the Joan Rivers Show as well as Playboy TV. Celebrities date celebrities. Period. It's not a surprise. And unlike your "intimate" dinners with unknown people, what was probably one of many "intimate" dinners between Adams and DeNiro was notable enough for an article in a largely read NYC newspaper. It's a fact. It was never disputed by either Adams or DeNiro. It's a noteworthy mentioning by two important people (important enough to have separate wikipedia articles). It was re-added. 71.167.227.11 (talk) 11:59, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

And by the way Hoary, your previous comment was wrong. Stephanie Adams WAS an issue and WAS relevant enough in the personal "life of Robert DeNiro" or else he would not have been dating her. 71.167.227.11 (talk) 12:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

"The Discipline"
removed all mention of "The Discipline" here since it no longer appears in the article. and by the way, citation is NOT needed when someone writes "some regard De Niro as the successor to Marlon Brando." its so widely and so commonly known that requiring citation for that is like saying you need a citation for "the sun rises in the east." or wait, here's the citation you can use: "The World." Stevewk 16:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Photograph
That is not a photo of De Niro with Pacino at top of page. Its Pacino with another actor who played Pacinos brother- I cant recall his name but the cast list will prove I'm right.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.81.128.205 (talk) 14:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Greatest actor of all time
De Niro is the greatest, Pacino's a close second. They both have so many classic movies.--Tainted Drifter 05:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

This about the entry. Not a fansite Rubberchix 16:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I think DeNiro is a very moderate actor, who seems to portray the same voice and facial expressions in every scene of every movie he ever makes. I realize others disagree. Still, from my perspective, it's hard not to perceive this article as quite biased.66.171.197.53 14:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The same claim was made about Henry Fonda, for example. Was he overrated? What about other actors who had a recognizable style? Wahkeenah 14:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Italian citizenship
he can't be honorary citizen, because mayor of Rome gave him an italian passport...

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.156.52.106 (talk) 12:36, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

To the person who incorrectly stated that DeNiro is an Italian citizen
I removed the note in the trivia section that said he is an Italian citizen, because elsewhere in the article it makes clear that he is NOT actually an honorary Italian citizen because of diplomatic problems. The note was written in broken lowercase English which leads me to believe that it was a non-native English speaker who wrote it, and the link article the person cited was entirely in Italian, and from what I could gather, not even ABOUT Robert DeNiro. So, please, if you don't know English very well, don't edit the English wikipedia, especially if you're going to add inaccurate information. Stick to the Italian-lanuage wikipedia, please. 141.224.232.207 23:21, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Irish bias
Someone tried to bias this article by saying De Niro is mostly Irish- this is a lie- he only has Irish grandmother. Chooey 22:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC) No objections to this comment. The Irish and the Italians have a lot in common, basically providing an alternate to the north-european immigrants to the States - an Irish granny can't have had a bad effect, maybe made him a bit of as rebel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.79.144.127 (talk) 18:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Education
Is De Niro's falling out with his father somehow related to the category? Where shall we put this little nugget?--johno95 17:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

His name
Is his name Robert De Niro or is it Robert DeNiro? Calvero2 21:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * De Niro. He was occasionally credited as DeNiro, but that's just because it's a strange American habit to conjoin such surnames. Salopian (talk) 12:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

His middle name is NOT "Mario." It is Anthony, and he's not a junior. Robert Anthony De Niro. This entry needs to be checked out. His father's name is Robert Henry De Niro. Although they were commonly called "Senior" and "Junior" within the family, they are not a true senior-junior pair. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gdthayer (talk • contribs) 02:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Pancake
This tidbit under education either needs to be removed or requires a citation. I would say its probable vandalism since the grammar and spelling is so poor. (... are so poor... surely).

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.244.234.152 (talk) 16:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

"Stage character?"
I'm not about to call out names, but to the person who made this change: Why would you change "credited professionally as", which is far more accurate, to "whose stage character is spelled as", which is innacurate and clumsy wording? A "character" is generally recognized to be a fictional person. Furthermore, a "stage character" would imply a character in a theatrical stage production, not film. Finally, the phrase "credited professionally as" was just fine and I can't imagine why you would change it. I'm changing it back to a more accurate statement that makes sense if you don't mind. Cris Varengo 18:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Nothing about Once Upon A Time In America ?
Strange to see that you did not mention one of the greatest performance of De Niro in Sergio Leone's Once Upon A Time In America... This film is considered by many as one of the best "mafia movies" ever. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.57.54.82 (talk) 08:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC).

Surname
It's DeNiro o De Niro. In the article is Robert De Niro, but in the infobox with is bith name in DeNiro, so?--Domingo Portales 22:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

In Italy the name is normally "De Niro", because the article is usually separated from the second part of the surname. But maybe the parents of De Niro, as the time passed, changed their name in "DeNiro" or "Deniro". It could be happened. Sorry for my english. Ciao. Valerio.


 * No, he thankfully uses De Niro, unlike most Italian Americans. Salopian (talk) 12:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

"Charming sociopaths"?
"In these films, De Niro has primarily played charming sociopaths. Taxi Driver is particularly important to De Niro's career; his iconic performance as Travis Bickle shot him to stardom and forever linked De Niro's name with Bickle's famous "You talkin' to me?" monologue, which De Niro improvised himself."

I've got a problem with this paragraph. I would definitely not describe Travis as "charming" -- in fact, he's the opposite of that, he's socially inept. And I also wouldn't describe him as a sociopath. "Sociopath" isn't just anyone who is capable of committing violent, murderous acts, it's a very specific personality type that Travis doesn't fit. Travis is mentally ill, not a sociopath.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.185.97 (talk) 08:26, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

False information
Deniro's middle name is not Mario and his grandfather was Henry De Niro not Mario- I think someone has played a joke on Wikipedia?
 * The same person that added this information also added false name information to Billy Crystal http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Billy_Crystal&diff=prev&oldid=94629682 Nicolas Cage http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicolas_Cage&diff=prev&oldid=94630267 Brian De Palma http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brian_De_Palma&diff=prev&oldid=94631257 Jack Klugman http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_Klugman&diff=prev&oldid=94646593 Lee Marvin http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lee_Marvin&diff=prev&oldid=95449908 Bruce De Palma http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bruce_De_Palma&diff=prev&oldid=97838943 Jack Macgowran http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_MacGowran&diff=prev&oldid=98528582 Frank Sivero http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frank_Sivero&diff=prev&oldid=98818924 Mary Lambert http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mary_Lambert&diff=prev&oldid=98930331 Walter Edwards http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Walter_Edwards_%28UK_politician%29&diff=prev&oldid=98931453

It appears the false information on Crystal has spread like a disease http://www.google.com/search?q=%2B%22billy+crystal%22+%2BKrisstalsterne&hl=en&start=10&sa=N

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Canoo (talk • contribs) 08:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

 * "Their son Elliot was born in 1998 and the couple filed for divorce shortly after his birth, although the action was never officially finalized. It is rumored (although not proven) that Elliot was an illegitimate love child from an relationship with tennis player Steffi Graf."

Surely the last sentence is vandalism. Steffi Graf!! That doesn't ring true to me. And it says it's a rumour so it shouldn't be up there in the first place. Wikipedia isn't supposed to recite speculation and rumour. And even if it is okay to have it, (which I don't believe it is), where is the source? It needs to be sourced because I have NEVER heard such a rumour about Robert. Generalhoneypot 19:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Rest assured, Grace H. Hightower De Niro is the mother of Elliot E. De Niro. She and Bob were married at City Hall by Mayor Guiliani in 1997, and renewed their vows at their Ulster County, NY estate on November 20, 2004. Hope this puts this horrible rumor to rest. Hampton67 (talk) 04:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Backdraft?
I would add it, but still learning wikipedia, why is backdraft, not listed in his biography? SACP 22:53, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Later career
50 pounds is 22.7 kg, not 25kg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.194.75 (talk) 15:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

the fan-1996. you forgot that in his filmography! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.162.120 (talk) 21:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

De Niro & Scorsese
It would be great to see them team up one more time in a gangster film —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 35mm (talk • contribs).

Stardust
How come no mention of his role in the film Stardust? It was hilarious! Very different then any role I've seen Deniro in and he played the part so well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.91.171.36 (talk) 21:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, he *did* stand out as the only actor in that film with an American accent. Which raised the question for me: Can he do any accent other than his own? I actually found his American accent very strange and jarring in Stardust (as there was no narrative justification/reason for his character to speak so differently to every other character in the film). He was really rather shown up, I thought, by Claire Danes's superior acting (and accent mimicking) abilities. --Tyranny Sue (talk) 03:30, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Mario
I would like someone to show me a reliable source that Robert De Niro's middle name is Mario. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 00:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt anyone can. His father's middle name was "Henry", not "Mario". "Mario" was added to Wikipedia in December 2006 - here - with no citation except his father's entry, which was wrong. It has since spread onto the web. I'm removing it unless someone has a really good source, preferably (or frankly, necessarily) one that precedes 2006. All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 07:16, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
removed: It has been noted that the career of De Niro of late has been in decline. It is known that De Niro will work for food. He is infact currently directing his next picture (which he also stars in) entitled: What the fuck happened to the career of Robert De Niro? He plays himself. Although regarded as a hgh calibre actor in past times, the range of Deniro’s acting skill since 1995 has been limited to a ‘funny kind of scowl’ and the odd grunt.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by CDaly (talk • contribs) 17:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Robert De Niro's Waiting
The Bananarama song and other significant popular culture references should be added. Salopian (talk) 12:09, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers priority assessment
Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 10:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

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Hightower
I reworded the content to clarify that De Niro and Hightower were never actually divorced. The way it was worded it made it seem like they were no longer together and that clearly is not the case as they are still seen publicly together, such as at Nelson Mandela's recent birthday celebration. --Diablorex (talk) 02:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

The definition of trivia
In case anyone doesn't know, or forgot, here is the definition of "trivia" according to Dictionary.com:

"Trivia - matters or things that are very unimportant, inconsequential, or nonessential; trifles; trivialities."

Therefore, everything mentioned in the "trivia" section is relevant to where it was noted and was appropriate. Feel free to add one, but do not remove one, unless you feel it should all be removed. Even so, that should be done only after a discussion about it. And by the way, the only trivia that was sourced, is the one that someone seems to have a problem with. Rather than being subjective, partial and actually downright bitter about one particular fact, you should be focusing on finding sources to support the other trivia mentioned as well. It's not just here my little lovelies, I see it all over the internet regarding many famous people. What's with common/unknown people and their blatant jealousy over celebrities? I actually feel sorry for the common/unknown people, not the celebrities, because the celebrities are the only ones laughing all the way to the bank. Get over it and get back to being objective/neutral. 71.167.227.11 (talk) 12:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * "71", that makes too much sense for someone editing on a free site to understand. Clearly the trivia added should remain and be added to. I'd add more myself, but then again, I have a real job.....and a life. 170.170.59.139 (talk) 14:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Mere gossip about a date with a "Playmate"-astrologer
Here's a quotation from WP:BLP, not a mere guideline but a policy page:


 * Editors should avoid repeating gossip. Ask yourself whether the source is reliable; whether the material is being presented as true; and whether, even if true, it is relevant to an encyclopedia article about the subject. When less-than-reliable publications print material they suspect is untrue, they often include weasel phrases and attributions to anonymous sources. Look out for these. If the original publication doesn't believe its own story, why should we?

Here's the single "sourced" trivium in this article:


 *  Dated Playboy centerfold Stephanie Adams. 

This exciting nugget is "sourced" to a single gossip column in a tabloid. It's "retrieved", but from where? Or am I mistaken in thinking that this article is the one -- previously scanned and posted at Adams's site goddessy.com, which is where I read it -- that says that "a source says" that Adams had "an intimate dinner" with De Niro? -- Hoary (talk) 10:19, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a fact. It was retrieved vis NYPost.com and is all over the internet if you really look for it. 71.167.226.135 (talk) 16:23, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * How "all over the internet" can it be if you have to "really look for it"? Just askin' --Sean Martin (talk) 21:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I decided to look for it. More precisely, I googled for "And They Say It's Hard To Get A Date In New York" "New York Post" Adams . There were two (2) hits: this WP article, and www.goddessy.com/PressInformation/MediaCoverage.htm. Goddessy.com is a site run by Adams; this page within it is a chrestomathy of mentions of Adams in magazines, tabloids, web pages, etc. Fearing that it might disappear or change, I took the trouble to have it archived by Webcite; you can see the result here (or if that doesn't work, here).


 * So what does this tell us about De Niro? The string "Niro" appears a total of three times within it. Here's the first:

New York Post -- "Page Six" By Richard Johnson -- Thursday, November 12, 1992

(Photo: Adams -- A Busy Night)

And they say it's hard to get a date in New York. It seemed that all Sean Landeta, John Franco and the other jocks at the Country Club Tuesday wanted to talk to 22-year old Stephanie Adams, the November Playmate. But Adams kept mum when asked about her social activities the previous night, when, a source says, she had dinner with Robert De Niro in his TriBeCa apartment, and then went to Donald Trump's apartment for cocktails with the builder.


 * So this is a gossip column within a tabloid citing an unidentified source as saying that Adams had dinner with De Niro at De Niro's place. A "textbook example" (see WP:BIO) of crap sourcing for what's a very minor claim, far short of dating, romantic linking, etc.


 * Here are the second and third:

Panache Report

Black Playmate Who Became A Self-Made Millionaire....Stephanie Adams became a self-made millionaire by age 30. She had sheer determination and will power. She made her fortune by investing in 'Fortune 500 Companies.' She has been linked to Robert DeNiro and John Casablancas but she sent shockwaves through the industry when she announced-she is now a lesbian. [...]

Stephanie would invest in 'Fortune 500' companies and become a self-made millionaire by the age of 30. In the past, she's been romantically linked to actor Robert DeNiro (when he was single) and Elite Modeling chairman, John Casablancas. [...]


 * Offhand I don't know what the "Panache Report" is, but this is gossipy writing. ("Shockwaves" through which "industry"? Where's the evidence for any of this?) "She's been romantically linked to actor Robert DeNiro" (sic) -- by whom, where?


 * A claim of "dated" that's sourced in this way is mere garbage, the kind of thing that makes a WP article a bad joke. I have therefore removed it, for the second and I hope last time. Unless considerably sounder evidence can be adduced for this claim, its reintroduction would be violation of Wikipedia policy. -- Hoary (talk) 01:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I did some interesting research on two of you. First of all, "Sean Martin" is some oddball who was part of a lawsuit Adams filed against one of his friends and she won. I guess his only feeling of importance anymore is to stalk her page on a free website anyone can edit. Sorry Sean, but Miss Adams probably doesn't even know you exist so stop trying to harass her. Second, "Hoary" is someone who once got in trouble by Jimbo Wales for editing her page out of anger, not professional opinion. Clearly you two have an obsession over this playmate. Good luck with your issues. 96.246.113.133 (talk) 23:06, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see you continue to lie. I was never party to any lawsuit.  And, as shown by the threatening emails I've received directly from Ms Adams, she is aware of my existence.  Believe me, I certainly wish she was not.  It's been, what, 5 or 6 years now since I said one of her web sites was hard to read (blue font on black background) and she responded with multiple threats including to cut off my hands.
 * As I have before I will continue to refute the lies you post about me here as long as you continue to post them. I'll also be able to point to the insults you continually make, you won't be able to respond in kind.  It's a losing proposition.  How about you spare yourself the embarrassment and me the effort and just (finally) stop now? --Sean Martin (talk) 00:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * "Hoary" is someone who once got in trouble by Jimbo Wales for editing her page out of anger, not professional opinion. Complete and utter horseshit, and anyway irrelevant to this article on Robert De Niro. If the multiple-IP-using Adams devotee cares to log in under a username and then asks me again, I'll set the matter straight on her user talk page. Although the factual version -- Hoary (talk) 03:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If the multiple-IP-using Adams devotee cares to log in under a username I'd like to see that.  It's been suggested several times before that she could lend legitimacy and credibility to her comments if she did.  All I can conclude is that being credible is far less important to her than being able to anonymously hurl insults and baseless charges. -- Sean Martin (talk) 21:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect information on ancestry
There is lots of incorrect information in this article regarding DeNiro's ancestry. For one, both DeNiro's paternal grandparents were born in Italy, not just his paternal grandfather. This fact would also obviously affect the numbers given regarding his German, Irish, and French ancestry (they wouldn't add up). Therefore, unless verification can be given for the exact fraction he is of those ancestries, it would be better to just state something along the lines of "DeNiro is also parts German, Irish, French, etc." --Brian Brockmeyer 07:50, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that article is just a tad off - his paternal GREAT-grandparents were Italian. His paternal grandmother is very well-known to be Irish-American. Look at this book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560254696/qid=1131872739/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/?v=glance&s=books) you can search it online - search for Irish - it clearly says DeNiro's father is Irish-Italian. This is also repeated all over the web. I think the article you linked to just made a slight error.Vulturell 09:06, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok. Works for me.  Thanks for clearing that up. --Brian Brockmeyer 20:59, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

I always think interesting to know someone ethnic back ground. Are we sure he is 25% IRISH or what ? please if someone know sure sure let me know. " Although he is commonly referred to as an Italian-American actor, De Niro is actually three-quarters Irish in ancestry. He was, however, quite close to his Italian paternal grandfather, whom Robert visited frequently in Syracuse, NY when he was young. " the Internet Movie Database

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000134/bio

I am sure DeNiro has black lineage somewhere, due to the translation of his name 'of black' and his penchant for black women. It would make interesting research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.142.109.44 (talk) 22:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, if you're talking about his last name, then things aren't really as easy as you've assumed.... The Italian surname De Niro or, originally, Di Niro comes from an old nickname or given name that literally means black (niro is a dialect variant of nero in Italian) but it doesn't necessarily have any connection with a black ancestry in Di Niro family. Back in the day such nicknames, later used as given names, often indicated some physical trait as the hair color (other examples are Italian names Fulvio and Flavio, literally meaning red-haired and blond-haired), the skin color or also an ethnical identity (an Italian name like this is Mauro, that literally means moore, dark), so there can be many reasons for such a surname. Surnames are often very ambiguous about their meaning, if it was that simple I might as well say that Jack Black has some black ancestry or stuff like that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.211.179.158 (talk) 21:30, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism stays for over 2 months on second paragraph
I am appalled for just having noticed that a ridiculous statement regarding De Niro's involvement in a supposed Jordi Savall biopic has stayed for over 2 months right at the end of the second paragraph (Savall is a viol player who apparently some people think bears some physical similarity to De Niro). Here is the edit by the vandal who inserted the hilarious joke: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_De_Niro&oldid=260991813 -- I noticed that the vandal also added similar idiocy to Jordi Savall's article. How I wish Wikipedia would finally require registration to edit articles. —-Kripkenstein (talk) 03:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Man what a sanctimonious boring twat

After 9-11...
I, like so many, watched a brutally savage event occur. I have attempted to get the documentry which Mr. De Niro narrated. I have had little success in finding any information regarding this documentry (ok,none) in order to purchase it. I viewed it once, one more time for me and it will be passed on to my children. Any help in finding 'it' would be appreciated. Thank you and God Bless....etter2010@hotmail.com........ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.216.231.225 (talk) 21:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Fan club
I don't see a fan club for Robert DeNiro - that is not good.. I want to start one, anyone interested in becoming a member? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.230.3 (talk) 06:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Second that 82.43.66.211 (talk) 12:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Early life - multiple corrections necessary
This entire section needs to be re-edited since it seems to have been cut and pasted together from different websites. Furthermore this section does not adhere to a chronological order of events in De Niro's early years.

Hofmann school
Unless there is a source provided it is not clear where his parents met. The Hofmann school has two campuses, one in Provincetown, the other in New York City. I would suggest it would be more accurate to just state that his parents met while visiting this school, at which campus exactly cannot be verified. --Sammysoul (talk) 07:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

neighborhood
There is conflicting information about the neighborhood Robert De Niro grew up in. According to the biography by Andy Dougan he grew up and spend his early adulthood in Greenwich Village on Bleecker St., Hudson St. and since the early 1950's on W. 14th St. (see pages 9 and 11 for exact addresses). According to the same source he started to make friends in Little_Italy,_Manhattan in his early teenage years and consequently spent more and more time there. But just hanging out in that neighborhood does not make him a resident. I will clarify this section accordingly if there are no objections. --Sammysoul (talk) 07:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

divorce
The reason for his parent's divorce is speculative. According to the biography by Andy Dougan (page 9) his parents never went on record why they got divorced. I have deleted the allegation of his father's homosexuality for lack of a verifiable source. --Sammysoul (talk) 07:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Random list of roles in lede
How have they been chosen? How are they more notable than other films? Jplarkin (talk) 19:52, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * seems random to me. We should probably  list the ones he was nominated for Oscars/BAFTAS for (Godfather pt II, Taxi Driver, Deer Hunter, Raging Bull, King of Comedy, Awakenings, Goodfellas and Cape Fear).   ~DC  We Can Work It Out 19:59, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Possible Meet the Parents and Analyze that too, since he got a Golden Globe nom for both.  ~DC  We Can Work It Out 20:00, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

1997 Marriage of Robert De Niro and Grace Hightower
Mayor Rudy Guiliani performed their 1997 marriage at City Hall in New York. They renewed their vows at his Marbletown estate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.203.236.253 (talk) 06:10, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Of Italian-Albanian ancestry
Here, in this Youtube video, 00:11 etc. De Niro States it himself. []. "A lot Sicilian, Albanian, Italian". Majuru (talk) 18:07, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

He quite clearly says: "You have Blond Sicilians, albanian-Italians". At no stage does he make reference to his ethnicity being albanian and is simply not albanian. Please refrain from vandalizing both he and his father's page with your information derived from an inability to understand English or hear properly. Lukic12345 (talk) 11:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Please, refrain Serbian propaganda to counter-edit the page. Reference to Albanians is clear. And he never said "blond Sicilians" but "Blood Sicilians". So please, Lukic, learn first English before advising further. (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.29.222.254 (talk) 11:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * De Niro simply says: ''...at the same time in many countries, even in Europe are older cultures, that are more consistently one group if you will, they also have influences of other cultures like in Italy... a long, a long explanation... you've got blond-sicilians, you have albanian-italians...". No word about his origins.78.12.110.175 (talk) 19:08, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Under our rules, Youtube isn't a reliable source. If you wish to use this interview as a source, you're going to want to find the original source (broadcast date, production information, etc). Repeatedly just adding the material is what will cause the page to continue to be protected against editing by anonymous users. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 20:59, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, as Ultraexactzz says, Youtube can't be used under the rules as a source. In any case, he doesn't even claim to have Albanian-Italian ancestry in the clip! DeCausa (talk) 22:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I didn't imagine it was so difficult to understand. It wasn't me who wished to use that interview (that, by the way, was aired "live" on RAI, the first italian public-service television broadcaster, the past friday night, February 18, 2011; you can find the original source here ), infact it's Mr. Majuru who is stubbornly using a fragment of the video interview on YouTube, that he has completely misunderstood, as it was a "reliable" source to repeteadly add that wrong material (that you have protected). Besides he continuosly vandalizes also this page adding always the same topic as you can see here Talk:Robert_De_Niro here Talk:Robert_De_Niro and here Talk:Robert_De_Niro. Actually, the page needs to be protected against continuous editing (vandalism) by anonymous users but also registered ones (who should be warned or blocked). Thank You. 78.12.110.175 (talk) 22:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't worry I've reverted Majuru's change back to "Italian". It's quite clear he says his ancestry is Italian, German, Dutch, French, Irish. No mention of Albanian. He goes on to talk about how diverse Italy is and says as an example "you have blond Sicilians, Albanian-Italians". He's clearly not talking about himself! (Btw, English is my first language and it's very clear what he said). DeCausa (talk) 22:39, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank You again (btw, i apologize for my broken english) 78.12.110.175 (talk) 23:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 78.12.110.175, 22 February 2011
edit semi-protected

Robert De Niro Sr.'s father was Italian-American and not Albanian. Unfortunately, there is a video fragment on YouTube which has been completely misunderstood by many albanians who now are (stubbornly) vandalizing a lot of wikipedia pages about Robert De Niro's origins. This is the video about De Niro's interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clIUE4SRDd8 and this is what many albanians think he stated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynQtkNU_q9U (they think that he told about his albanian origins...) Please warn or block disruptive users.

78.12.110.175 (talk) 20:49, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Youtube is not an appropriate source, and so it would not support adding anything to the article. That said, you can't remove other people's posts on this talk page - they can post and discuss the matter here, if they wish. Different rules govern the article and talk pages. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 20:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry but You have understood exactly the opposite of what I wrote. It was Majuru who modified (stubbornly) the page from the original last right version to the wrong one as you can read here, basing his statement on that video (as you could read in the post above too Talk:Robert_De_Niro) 78.12.110.175 (talk) 21:30, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

✅ I'll repeat my post from above: "It's quite clear he says his ancestry is Italian, German, Dutch, French, Irish. No mention of Albanian. He goes on to talk about how diverse Italy is and says as an example "you have blond Sicilians, Albanian-Italians". He's clearly not talking about himself!" DeCausa (talk) 22:50, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

De Niro's interview
He's not 100% Albanian, He's just saying he is of mixed origin, partly Albanian. Capish? O capiste? Majuru (talk) 21:26, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, it's clear that it's you who has not understood; hope, with time, you'll succeed in doing it.78.12.110.175 (talk) 22:42, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Majuru, it looks as though the Italian translator mistranslated - see my above comments. DeCausa (talk) 22:51, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

This part of De Niros Biographie here in Wikipedia bevore he said that he is partly albanian: "De Niro's father was of Italian-Albanian and Irish descent, and his mother was of English, German, French, and Dutch ancestry.[2][3] His Italian great-grandparents, Giovanni Di Niro (the original surname was Di Niro and not De Niro) and Angelina Gashi, emigrated from Kruje, central Albania.,[4] and his paternal grandmother, Helen O'Reilly, was the granddaughter of Edward O'Reilly...".

But ist it dissappear...


 * Not entirely true. The most recent edit to this article that says anything about him being 'Albanian' is on the [20th of November], not coincidentally two days after the Sanremo Song Festival where the video clip is from. This is simply a case of mis-interpretation. Doriftu  Speak Up.  11:38, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

De Niro is a big fan of Serbia
Can you add this? Robert de Niro is truly big fan of Serbia. In 2007. he has supported Novak Djokovic in US Open 2007. Here is mr. De Niro and Novak Djokovic's father http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1021/1353397962_face44ac14_b.jpg

Maria Sharapova and Robert De Niro in Novak Djokovic's box http://www.ontennis.com/files/images/maria-sharapova-us-open.jpg

Robert de Niro in 37th sec. says "Maybe I am a Serb". He also said that Djokovic is a great guy. You can hear it in English. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSF_LSN-jHg

De Niro that much likes Serbia that he has named his daughter after Serbian river Drina.

There is a story why Robert de Niro likes Serbia. When he was not famous, student, he passed from Greece through Serbia and around city of Niš he stood moneyless and slept in one cafe desk and one Serb guy came over and no matter he didn't know English, nor de Niro knew Serbian, that Serb guy invited him to sleep at his place and day after gave him enough money to go back home. Since then Robert came back 4 times to Serbia and was in Belgrade Film Festival FEST. Also in his proprety the majority of employed are Serbs. So please, add something of those in this article. At least that he is a big fan of Serbian tennis player Novak Djokovic.

Thank you79.175.86.94 (talk) 17:43, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Interview, on his Italian-Albanian ancestry
Elisabetta Canalis: Lui dice "Si, e vero", lui dice "Si, e vero" appunto ha rimarcato il fatto che comunque non ha solo origine italiana ... De Niro: A lot Sicilian... Albanian, Italian... [] Majuru (talk) 16:27, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll repeat my post from above: "It's quite clear he says his ancestry is Italian, German, Dutch, French, Irish. No mention of Albanian. He goes on to talk about how diverse Italy is and says as an example "you have blond Sicilians, Albanian-Italians". He's clearly not talking about himself! (Btw, English is my first language and it's very clear what he said)." I don't know what the Italian translator said (I don't speak Italian). But from what you say, she got it wrong. I've reverted your change. Don't revert again.DeCausa (talk) 22:41, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

this part of text was here bevore he said that he is partly albanian in san remo: "De Niro's father was of Italian-Albanian and Irish descent, and his mother was of English, German, French, and Dutch ancestry.[2][3] His Italian great-grandparents, Giovanni Di Niro (the original surname was Di Niro and not De Niro) and Angelina Gashi, emigrated from Kruje, central Albania.,[4] and his paternal grandmother, Helen O'Reilly, was the granddaughter of Edward O'Reilly", (wikipedia)

i dont know who put it down!!!???

Haha... After Robert De Niro said "Maybe I am a Serb", Albanians started to boycotte him.79.175.86.94 (talk) 17:43, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Blahxarmedx, 1 March 2011
Robert De Niro was born in New York City, the son of Virginia Admiral, a painter, and Robert De Niro, Sr., an abstract expressionist painter and sculptor.[1] De Niro's father was of Italian-Albanian and Irish descent, and his mother was of English, German, French, and Dutch ancestry.[2][3] His Italian great-grandparents, Giovanni Di Niro (the original surname was Di Niro and not De Niro) and Angelina Gashi, emigrated from Kruje, central Albania.,[4] and his paternal grandmother, Helen O'Reilly, was the granddaughter of Edward O'Reilly, an immigrant from Ireland.

Blahxarmedx (talk) 01:08, 1 March 2011 (UTC) Relaible Sources: http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=65606 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynQtkNU_q9U&feature=player_embedded


 * No. Your second "Reliable Source" is a youtube (which is already bad enough), one that has been debunked on this very talk page (see above). Your first is somebody's posting in a message forum (which is already bad enough), one that cites an earlier version of ... Wikipedia!


 * Please take a look at "WP:RS". -- Hoary (talk) 05:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Year of birth?
There seems to be some doubt about his year of birth, as changes are reverted back to 1944. All the source I can find states 1943, that including IMDB and the www.filmreference.com/-source used in the article. I'm searching for something more official right now, but it seems that 1943 is the correct one. Knud Winckelmann (talk) 12:28, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know if britannica.com is official enough, but they state 1943 as well. Knud Winckelmann (talk) 12:34, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Gay father
His biography states that his mother and father had a purely platonic relationship (his father being gay) and that his parents married purely to give his mother a legitimate child.

This should be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.51.251 (talk) 20:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Why? (This article is about him, not his father.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:58, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Denihoxha, 7 August 2011
Hello. I would like to edit the Robert de Niro page because I want to edit his ethnicity by adding Albanian too. I have proof for this that he is Albanian because he said it in a show in Italy. Here is a video (in italian) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynQtkNU_q9U

There is another video too in albanian here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sum69fhIAUU&feature=related

Denihoxha (talk) 19:00, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

No. Haven't you read this talk page? He didn't say that at all. DeCausa (talk) 19:05, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's quite clear he says his ancestry is Italian, German, Dutch, French, Irish. No mention of Albanian. He goes on to talk about how diverse Italy is and says as an example "you have blond Sicilians, Albanian-Italians". He's clearly not talking about himself! (Btw, English is my first language and it's very clear what he said)." The Italian translator appears to have mis-translated what he said into Italian. DeCausa (talk) 18:34, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose that Martin Scorsese and Robert De Niro be merged into Martin Scorsese and Robert De Niro. I think that the content in the Martin Scorsese and Robert De Niro article discussing that relationship specifically can be merged into the pages discussing those individuals generally, and the latter articles are of a reasonable size in which the merging of the former will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. 98.239.179.93 (talk) 01:12, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request
Hi. I have continually edited the first sentence "Robert De niro is an american actor" into robert de niro is a method actor. I do this because method actung is dieing and is truly not just 'acting'. DONT CHANGE IT AIGHT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.219.134 (talk) 08:11, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Robert Deniro is not truly a method actor. He did study with at the studio with Strasberg but he himself says that he is not an expert on it in this interview and refuses to comment on the schism between Adler and Strasberg. http://stellaadleralifeinart.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/de-niro-interview-on-his-craft-coach-and-current-role/ From his other interviews to you can see he his big on using imagination as his acting technique, "Method" acting is about using your emotion or sensation memory. Putting on or losing weight doesn't make you a method actor, relying on emotion memory does and I can't find any example where it is clear he does that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.83.34 (talk) 10:35, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Citizenship
It is documented in the article that De Niro has dual citizenship in Italy and the United States. Further, it is consensus in WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers to describe people by their citizenship in the opening sentence of the lede paragraph. I suggest that we add his citizenship per this standard. Because it would be confusing to write "Robert De Niro is an Italian-American actor" - that sounds like ethnicity - perhaps we should write "Robert De Niro is an actor with citizenship in the United States and Italy." Elizium23 (talk) 22:07, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure it's especially noteworthy (i.e. for the lead) that he has an Italian passport. Globally, he's primarily known as an American. I think the opening should be left as is. If it's to go into the lead I suggest it should be in a broader context e.g. "De Niro, who is from an Italian background and holds dual US and Italian citizenship, is known for playing American-Italian characters" ...or something like that. DeCausa (talk) 18:54, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems inaccurate and America-centric to just state that he is citizen of one country while omitting the fact that he is citizen of another. Perhaps it would be preferable to remove any mention of his nationality from the lede paragraph and allow the body of the article to explain the facts. Elizium23 (talk) 20:50, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The fact that he has an italian passport is a minor piece of biographical detail. Interesting, but essentially trivia. The fact that Robert De Niro is an American actor is a key fact about him. Big difference. It's not something that can be left out of the lead. DeCausa (talk) 21:13, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You know the difference between a passport and citizenship, right? Some guy (talk) 11:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. What's your point? DeCausa (talk) 12:10, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

It's not "background", he is ITALIAN-AMERICAN SO STOP CHANGING IT AND GET "BACKGROUND" OUT OF YOUR BRAINWASHED HEADS!!!!!!!

Robert A. De Niro
An IP editor changed article subject's name to Robert A. De Niro based on a scan of the actor's NYC hack license, as posted here (green card halfway down the page). I reverted the pending change because the initial could have been a fabrication of De Niro's. I'm posting the link here in case others wish to discuss and/or investigate. —jameslucas (" " / +) 12:44, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

all topics
Very done Adaptera (talk) 17:47, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 15:40, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Citizenship
It is documented in the article that De Niro has dual citizenship in Italy and the United States. Further, it is consensus in WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers to describe people by their citizenship in the opening sentence of the lede paragraph. I suggest that we add his citizenship per this standard. Because it would be confusing to write "Robert De Niro is an Italian-American actor" - that sounds like ethnicity - perhaps we should write "Robert De Niro is an actor with citizenship in the United States and Italy." Elizium23 (talk) 22:07, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure it's especially noteworthy (i.e. for the lead) that he has an Italian passport. Globally, he's primarily known as an American. I think the opening should be left as is. If it's to go into the lead I suggest it should be in a broader context e.g. "De Niro, who is from an Italian background and holds dual US and Italian citizenship, is known for playing American-Italian characters" ...or something like that. DeCausa (talk) 18:54, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems inaccurate and America-centric to just state that he is citizen of one country while omitting the fact that he is citizen of another. Perhaps it would be preferable to remove any mention of his nationality from the lede paragraph and allow the body of the article to explain the facts. Elizium23 (talk) 20:50, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The fact that he has an italian passport is a minor piece of biographical detail. Interesting, but essentially trivia. The fact that Robert De Niro is an American actor is a key fact about him. Big difference. It's not something that can be left out of the lead. DeCausa (talk) 21:13, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You know the difference between a passport and citizenship, right? Some guy (talk) 11:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. What's your point? DeCausa (talk) 12:10, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

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Coathooking and POV
Although, calling him Wakefield instead of Dr. Wakefield is valid, I suggest that Gongwool's edits are biased, as is his reason for striking the "Dr." as Wakefield still is a doctor by virtue of his education. However, more importantly removing the history that the withdrawal of Vaxxed from the Tribecca festival also resulted in an outcry of protest is manipulative and promoting a POV by rewriting history. Additionally, the "trial" is misrepresented. The General Medical Council charges were for falsifying data and ethics, and Wakefied's and co-authors medical licenses were revoked, however, there was a lot more to the story. The subsequent Mr. Justice Mitting 2012 trial for plaintiff co-author Prof. John Walker-Smith found that the GMC used flawed reasoning in their determinations and made factual mistakes. Mitting quashed the GMC findings. See: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/mar/07/mmr-row-doctor-appeal and http://www.eastwoodslaw.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Walker-Smith.pdf. The bottom line is that the report was not fraudulent and the data was not falsified. Neither did Wakefield advise against measles vaccinations. As a result of his study, he suggested some children may be vulnerable to a unique gastrointestinal condition as the result of the combination MMR shot so single vaccinations for measles might be a wiser course, although more study was needed. Going into all that would be coat-hooking, which is the current and inaccurate state of this entry. I'm not interested in playing these games, but I ask that other editors consider the facts and attempt to represent truth and fairness in the section pejoratively titled "Anti-Vaccination Movement" in this BLP. Seabreezes1 (talk) 17:49, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * MY ORIGINAL EDITS:
 * De Niro acknowledged that he championed the inclusion of a controversial film about vaccinations, Vaxxed, directed by Andrew Wakefield at the 2016 Tribeca Film Festival. Wakefield was barred from practicing medicine as a result of his hypothesis that connected the MMR vaccine with a gastrointestinal disease associated with autism that was published in a 1998 paper. That study was later retracted by the journal's editors. De Niro explained his interest came from his son's autism, but was strongly criticized. De Niro withdrew his recommendation after discussion with the scientific community. He and the film festival team concluded, "we do not believe it contributes to or furthers the discussion I had hoped for." Following a wave of criticism, De Niro and Tribeca announced that they would pull the film from the program, an action met by another equally vociferous wave of criticism from the public and those in the scientific community who agree with Dr. Wakefield and his associates. They charged the censorship was due to power and politics rather than science.  Seabreezes1 (talk) 17:49, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

I undid the coat hooking and made it as neutral and factual as I could for a BLP. Seabreezes1 (talk) 21:15, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


 * How dare you call me an astroturfer. You need to now provide the name of which Corp or ThinkTank etc you allege is paying me to edit here. Such an accusation is quite serious. I'm no astroturfer, but you Seebreezes1 are clearly a prof of fringe consp theory considering your use of Natural News as a cite. WP doesn't support your WP:FRINGE. Bye, Gongwool (talk) 05:10, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Adding a section under in a BLP who is in the film industry under the title "Anti-Vaccination Movement" that talks about the the "dishonesty" of a medical doctor and calls him a "conspiracy theorist", when all the film star did was to recommend and then withdraw his recommendation for a movie is definitely a POV. Here is my second, and last, attempt to inject some objectivity into the article, under the much more appropriate sub-heading TRIBECA FILM FESTIAL
 * In 2002, De Niro was one of the three founding members of the Tribeca Film Festival. According to the Tribecca website, “The Festival’s mission is to help filmmakers reach the broadest possible audience, enable the international film community and general public to experience the power of cinema and promote New York City as a major filmmaking center. Tribeca Film Festival is well known for being a diverse international film festival that supports emerging and established directors.”
 * De Niro championed the inclusion of a controversial documentary about vaccinations, Vaxxed, directed by Andrew Wakefield at the 2016 Tribeca Film Festival. De Niro explained his interest in the film resulted from his family experience with an autistic son. De Niro was criticized for his promotion of the film which was assumed to question or criticize vaccination policy. De Niro withdrew his recommendation after discussion with vaccination proponents in the scientific community. He and the film festival team concluded, "we do not believe it contributes to or furthers the discussion I had hoped for," an action met by another equally vociferous wave of criticism from others in the scientific community who charged the censorship was due to politics rather than science. Seabreezes1 (talk) 18:41, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

P.S. I used a number of citations, the Natural News citation was only used to document that charges of censorship. But point taken, here is the same charge listed in the Washington Post, which also quotes Di Nero saying he is not anti-vaccination, again an inappropriate subheading: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/27/filmmakers-accuse-robert-de-niro-of-censorship-after-he-yanks-anti-vaccine-movie-from-tribeca-festival/ Seabreezes1 (talk) 18:50, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * 1. I am still awaiting the name of the Corp Seabreezes1 alleges I am being paid by to edit on WP.
 * 2. I have made changes to my sentence to satisfy his concerns raised.
 * 3. I do not support his changing the title of the section different to its original intended title by the original ed.
 * 4. Seebreezes1 has the consensus of one on talkpage, ie himself, with regard his demands to changes.
 * 5. On initial reading, as is often in Seabreezes1's proposed text, content is not reflected in sources. As such I do not support the changes.
 * 6. Seabreezes1's NaturalNews is the worst possible example of an unrel source anyone could introduce to such an article, and thus reflective of Seabreezes1's Fringe POV. Bye Gongwool (talk) 22:31, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

I will change the heading to COATHOOKING and POV from Astroturfing in this section, as a more appropriate claim. As further support of that charge and documentation that the content of the "Anti-Vaccination" section on this BLP, I offer the 13 April 2016 live interview with Robert De Niro on today, where he repeatedly says he is NOT anti-vaccine, he is PRO SAFE VACCINE. He also goes on to say that the reason Tribeca pulled Vaxxed was that in the final days leading up to the Festival, a group of other film makers threatented to pull their films from the line up if Vaxxed was included, Since that would have been disastrous for the festival, Tribeca acquiesed. However, De Niro with co-founder Rosenthal at his side was quite definite about several things, that EVERYONE should go see Vaxxed, that it is an important movie about the CDC more so than about vaccinations, and that once he has more time, he intends to get to the bottom of the threats to boycott the festival. I suggest that Wiki should make an effort to be accurate, especially in BLP when a nine minute unedited interview of the person is available as source material. See: http://www.today.com/popculture/robert-deniro-debates-autism-s-link-vaccines-today-show-t86136 Seabreezes1 (talk) 13:12, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Ummm, Seabreezes1, you're continuing to bang that POV drum of yours (in capitals I see) well after the fact, that source has already been added by someone else prior to your above rant. I disagree with your proposal to add "PRO SAFE VACCINE Professor of Immunology Doctor De Niro says EVERYONE should go see Vaxxed" as article text. I think you're the one with Coathooking and Fringe POV issues, not me. Gongwool (talk) 02:34, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Capitalization in the infobox
I'm curious, is it needed for "actor" to be capitalized in the infobox? Boomer VialHolla 00:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2017
In the second paragraph, in the sentence:

"De Niro's first major film roles were in the sports drama, Bang the Drum Slowly (1973) and Scorsese's crime film Mean Streets (1973)."

The reference to Mean Streets as "Scorsese's crime film" is inaccurate and could only be made by someone whoe either 1) had not seen the film or 2) had seen the film but needed a one word descriptive and could not come up with any other term. There is minor crime in the film, but the picture should be described as a "slice of life" or "meditation on Little Italy circa 1970," or even "urban picaresque". 206.200.254.71 (talk) 20:00, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


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Could somebody add information as to how De Niro dealt with the draft and Vietnam? This is germane because of historical context and also because De Niro has played soldiers in movies. Finally, it is also relevant because he has made public statements about the meaning and import of citizenship, expressed his dislike of Trump and Trump voters, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.233.118 (talk) 21:50, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

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Tony Awards
Not sure what's going on, but the sentences: "On June 10, 2018, De Niro sparked controversy in the 72nd Tony Awards, in which he said "Fuck Trump". He received standing ovation from the audience, which were mostly celebrities." are grammatically in correct and poorly written. He received a standing ovation from the audience. "Which were mostly celebrities" (who cares?) Also, "in" and "in" is just not good writing; especially when the more appropriate preposition would be "at": "At the Golden Globes / At the Oscar" not "In the Oscars". Also, why did someone remove the notable mention of the networks (bleeping) censoring the obscenity. Most headlines and coverage state this. Maineartists (talk) 14:21, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Agree obviously to the grammar fixes, as well as mentioning he was censored by the network. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 14:23, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Should add more comments on both sides. This guy said nasty words to Donald Trump.Paul Lincoln (talk) 15:04, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * On the network bleeping this, broadcast networks have little choice under FCC rules. So, it's not really notable. O3000 (talk) 17:16, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Didn't they also silence the "Trump" part too, not just the "Fuck" part? Silencing "Fuck", okay, but why the whole phrase? That seems odd? Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 17:23, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, we don't know unless it's in a reliable secondary source somewhere. So, we can't make conjectures. O3000 (talk) 17:26, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I redid the bit. None of the cited sources implied that De Niro sparked controversy with the words. And you're right that no one cares that the audience was "mostly celebrities". But that is also not in the sources given and not exactly true. It is crucial that content on Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view, and not with politically motivated bias. Zingarese (talk) 17:30, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Zingarese. But "De Niro said, to a standing ovation" is incorrect. (Not sure who wrote this) He said: "I'm gonna say one thing. Fuck Trump." People then stood to applause. Then he went on to finish his statement: "It’s no longer "down with Trump". It’s "fuck Trump". Tony Awards Clip Maineartists (talk) 21:59, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Afraid I'm missing your point. That's what a standing ovation means. Besides, that's what RS say. O3000 (talk) 22:02, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are. The way it reads now, the standing ovation had occurred before he started speaking. You are also incorrect in saying that's what RS say. This is a direct quote from one RS cited: "“I’m gonna say one thing. Fuck Trump,” De Niro said, without any preamble. With the audience of theater actors, directors and producers shrieking and rising to their feet in applause, De Niro said: “It’s no longer down with Trump. It’s fuck Trump.” It cannot be more clear. The audience was not standing and applauding for no reason before DeNiro spoke. Maineartists (talk) 22:19, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, I see what you're saying. But, the current phrasing can also mean the same. "To a standing ovation" can mean the ovation was a result of his words. I don't think this is uncommon and generally prefer efficiency of wording, but am open to other phrasing. O3000 (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, no. The remark "received" a standing ovation (afterward). "To" is misleading and confusing, and means to the common reader that one is making the remark while the audience is standing. Additionally: 2nd RS: Title states: "Robert De Niro Says 'F— Trump' at Tony Awards and Gets a Standing Ovation" and article corroborates: "The actor’s remarks earned a standing ovation from most of the audience, and were bleeped out for those watching from home". 3rd RS: "The expletives sparked a roaring reaction from the audience, with many of the celebrities standing up." All cite that the remark was made first, the standing ovation came afterward. He did not make the remark to a standing ovation. He received a standing ovation for the remark. The phrasing should reflect the RS. Maineartists (talk) 22:28, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The current phrasing indicates that the remarks continued to a standing ovation, which RS appear to indicate. And, we rely on RS for facts, but we don't copy exact text. But again, I'm open to alternate wording. O3000 (talk) 22:51, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

You don't have to copy exact text to correctly write the facts. It should read to the effect: On June 10, 2018, while introducing a performance by Bruce Springsteen at the 72nd Tony Awards, De Niro said, “I'm gonna say one thing: Fuck Trump", while raising clenched fists in the air. The remark received various reactions from the audience, resulting in a standing ovation. He continued, "It’s no longer "down with Trump". It’s "fuck Trump".” DeNiro later went on to praise Springsteen, by saying: "“Bruce, you can rock the house like nobody else,” De Niro said. “And even more important in these perilous times, you rock the vote, always fighting for, in your own words, Truth, transparency, and integrity in government. Boy, do we need that now.” Maineartists (talk) 23:06, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing this to attention. I introduced the "to a standing ovation" remark, and I intended for that to mean that De Niro's remarks brought the audience to a standing ovation. It certainly does not mean that it happened before the remarks. Another example of the "to a standing ovation" phrase in a sentence: "What brought the public to a standing ovation was the calm purpose followed by the director and how completely it worked as a piece of theatre." However, I am open to rephrasing it if a clear consensus can be reached. Zingarese (talk) 23:24, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Zingarese for being open and understanding. You are correct: an audience can be brought "to" a standing ovation. But the sentence does not say this; and the sentence you use as an example here is not even close to the one used in this article. If you were "implying it" in the article, it is very unclear. As it reads now, again, DeNiro is saying his remarks "to" an audience that is already standing: "De Niro said, to a standing ovation". The word "ovation" is a noun; and you are treating it as an action. You have left out the fact that his remarks were what generated the standing ovation by an audience. I understand what you are attempting to say, but it is so very confusing and misleading; when the above re-write is as factual and clear as can be. Consensus should not be an issue when the statement itself is not reflective of the RS facts. There is no "to a standing ovation" implication anywhere. I have plainly listed the exact play-by-play above from all 3 RS. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 23:51, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I still like Zingarese’s wording. I’m generally in favor of brevity and don’t see a need to overanalyze this in a step-by-step manner. The crowd obviously reacted positively to what he said, for better or worse. I don’t see any point in trying to determine whether they liked the word fuck or count the number of standees or anything else. It’s a one minute event in his life that hit a lot of RS. Worthy of a bit of mention. O3000 (talk) 00:26, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The preposition “to” has many definitions. In this sentence it means that the standing O was a result of De Niro’s remarks. It does not mean that De Niro made his remarks to an already standing crowd. Zingarese (talk) 06:05, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think “to” can also cause confusion. Why don’t we just use “which received a standing ovation”? Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 01:37, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I would be totally okay with rewording it. I see how the wording as it is now suffers from slight unclarity. Also, Trump wrote some tweets targeting De Niro a few hours ago; maybe that’s worth a mention. Zingarese (talk) 05:54, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I reworded the sentence. Please see my recent edit. Regards, Zingarese (talk) 17:00, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pinging me. I had left the page. The wording is certainly clearer and better represents the situation. Why this is now represented within the sentence: "On June 10, 2018, while introducing a performance by Bruce Springsteen of his song "My Hometown", I have no idea. Because DeNiro is the focus of the sentence directly after, it sounds like he wrote the song "My Hometown"; and honestly, it's an unnecessary mention of the song. If the above argument about what DeNiro actually did while saying his denunciation is unwarranted and "lengthy"; this most certainly is and has nothing to do with the reason for the inclusion. I might make the reminder here: WP:OWNERSHIP. Exhausting the proof of the wording for "to" when in essence editors had every right to change the word structure to fit the actual events via RS, is counterproductive to talk discussions. As with this civil correspondence of request, it is not necessary to seek my approval; but in the same breath, each has the right to go in and change what they deem correct for a good article written here at WP without fear of rv on the simple bias of change. This is not directed toward you, but more towards those who had originally changed wording from what was there before: "He received a standing ovation from the audience". Which basically says the same thing now. I would actually like to go in and remove what is unnecessary (Springsteen's song mention); but it seems there is just too much "ownership" going on with this minor mention of an event in this BLP's life for me to any more invested. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 11:26, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * My intention was not at all to claim any wp:ownership of this content. All that I did was have a slight disagreement about how you interpreted my rephrasing. Even NBC, one of the most major American news sources, wrote last month about BlacKkKlansman that played at the Cannes Film Festival: “Spike Lee’s latest movie, ‘BlacKkKlansman’ debuted at the Cannes Film Festival on Monday night to a standing ovation ...” This does not mean that the film was literally played to a standing, applauding crowd. That would be strange. It means that the film generated so much excitement to the viewers that they gave it a standing ovation as soon as it was over. Since I then later saw how it could be unclear to several others, I was happy to change it back. I never insisted that my rephrasing must be kept. Legitimate ownership of Wikipedia content would entail repeatedly reverting the content to their preferred version, claiming that they have the right to review any changes before they are introduced to the article, or being patronizing or narrow-minded to fellow editors who disagree with them. I clearly have not done any of those things. All editing on any article should be done with nothing less than enthusiastic collaboration; that is the spirit of Wikipedia. There’s nothing wrong with having polite disagreements, and we should always have constructive conversations when they arise to try to establish a solution/consensus. Zingarese (talk) 19:11, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Incomprehensible line: please rewrite in article
"De Niro would reference In the Line of Fire, along with Dirty Harry (1971) and Magnum Force (1973), two more of Eastwood's films, in Righteous Kill (2008)." I will delete in 24 hours if not clarified. Bellagio99 (talk) 17:31, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Why is his nationality italian?
We should just keep it American. We know he's got an honorable citizenship. But we can't call him Italian that way. Rather put it somewhere else. Italian actor doesn't make sense since he is identified as American by everyone. Shouldn't change it now. Hughes Anderson (talk) 01:38, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Not an "honorable citizenship". It's a citizenship. He is an Italian by law. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 17:50, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Well it's his citizenship and not his nationality. We should keep it away from his nationality. Rather add it somewhere else. Hughes Anderson (talk) 22:09, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Jim Carrey is a Canadian born actor with American citizenship. And as such is stated in the lead. No difference here. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 04:06, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Whatever you say pal. Hughes Anderson (talk) 15:34, 24 December 2019 (UTC)