Talk:Robert Gould Shaw

Comments
I have just removed the following information from the article:
 * Mount Ida College, a private liberal arts college, built its modern day campus on the site of the Shaw Family Estate in Newton, Massachusetts. Many of the estate's original buildings still exist; this includes the family's thirty room mansion, which is now a female residence hall at the center of campus. Other remaining structures house administrative offices and classrooms.

News
Mount Ida College is located on the site of the estate of Robert Gould Shaw II, who was the cousin of Robert Gould Shaw. Please see the letter on the Newton Conservators website: Robert Gould Shaw II. DiverDave (talk) 01:32, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

What does "Shaw was born in blackness, dew to a hillbilly family" mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.7.82.105 (talk) 07:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Vandalism, that's what it means. Revert in progress. Sensei48 (talk) 08:05, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

About Ken Burns and his documentary
I took off in the article this sentence about the letters written by Col. Robert Gould Shaw:

"They are quoted liberally by Ken Burns in his documentary miniseries ''The Civil War"

I've attentively watched all these movies: there was not the slightest trace of Robert Shaw's words! soldat_bleu@live.be —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.104.33.133 (talk) 13:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I think there is confusion Burns quotes George Bernard Shaw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.38.84.34 (talk) 11:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

First marriage
Why isn't his first marriage and divorce to Lady Astor noted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.68.50.119 (talk) 03:18, 20 February 2011 (UTC)


 * You are thinking of the wrong Robert Gould Shaw. Your Lady Astor was born in 1879; this Col. Shaw died in 1863. Lady Astor's husband RGS was a distant cousin of this RGS, and Astor's husband was named in honor of this Civil War hero.Sensei48 (talk) 04:29, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Did Col. Shaw really exist?
Significant lack of citation is evident.--173.69.135.105 (talk) 01:53, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

54th MA NOT "first all-black regiment"
I have often seen this stated as a fact; it is incorrect. There were several pre-existing "all-black" regiments (but led by white officers) in the South, such as in Louisiana and the Carolinas. Indeed, the movie Glory even showed -- quite unfavorably -- one such regiment. And the 1st Regiment Kansas Volunteer Infantry (Colored) was organized in late 1862, being accepted into federal service on January 13, 1863. Accordingly, I added "in the Northeast" to the statement at the very beginning of the article. Nevertheless, very few other states in the North followed the lead of Massachusetts; instead, they allowed their black residents to join all-black federal regiments called United States Colored Troops (USCT). Most Northern states -- unlike Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Kansas -- did not organize black regiments during the Civil War. Don Columbia (talk) 21:14, 5 January 2016 (UTC).

Photo editing
From my Talk page, to the article Talk page where it belongs - The original image of Robert Gould Shaw was fine as it was uncropped. It is better being able to see the classic historic sitting pose, which your cropping obscured. Judging by this and the other image you've been reverted over, you have a tendency too make photos too bright. At least to my eye and the other editor. Per WP:BRD this should stay as it has been for years unless you get consensus to change it. - Gothicfilm (talk) 17:54, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Please be aware that BRD is not policy but an essay (i.e., opinion). Over notation of personal opinions about editors and prior edits, however, is addressed in the edit warring policy, and it should be noted that your behavior of reverting rather than discussion or actually attempting to come to consensus is a steadfast and brightline rule.  We can start an RfC, if you'd like.  That way, there will be opinions gathered from more than just you and I regarding this image.  -- ψλ  ● ✉ ✓ 19:11, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It is appreciated if anyone is trying to improve images, but the cropped version is arguably lower quality because it has more noise or grain than the original. Brightening or increasing the exposure too much increases the noise. So does cropping (unless it's a lossless crop). Spellcast (talk) 02:48, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't have more grain or noise because it was retouched to reduce the digital noise. -- ψλ  ● ✉ ✓ 02:54, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Photos under "Memorials"
Could someone please display the first two photos listed, whose code is currently shown in their place? I've tried several times to fix this, but I simply can't figure out what the problem is. (I'd also appreciate it if the person who makes the correction would respond to this message so I can see where I went wrong.) Rontrigger (talk) 06:31, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Overstatement of Number of African American Volunteers
The following statement, the last line of the second full paragraph, does not seem accurate. "They inspired hundreds of thousands more African Americans to enlist for the Union helping to turn the tide of the war to its ultimate victory." There is no citation to that statement, so I don't know what source is relied upon by the author. There is no doubt that the 54th inspired African Americans to volunteer in great numbers, but "hundreds of thousands" is a really big number. Everything I found on the number of African Americans in the Union Army, including on Wikipedia, said that the total number was about 180,000. That's still a huge number and shows what a great contribution African Americans made to the war. I'm not really Wikipedia savvy, so I thought I'd just leave this note rather than trying to research and edit myself.

I think this page needs a touch up
Leaving this as a note to myself and others that i want to clean up some of the sourcing and styling on this page. Sources need updating, some paragraphs need sources, and maybe a category re-arrangement. Carlp941 (talk) 06:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)