Talk:Robert Hughes (LGBT activist)

Notability and merger discussion
This article has good, reputable sources which are intellectually independent including award-winning media. The criticism that it did not show why the person was notable is incorrect; Hughes represents over 13,000 individuals which is more than many elected officials in local government represent, many of whom have Wikipedia articles. The article is also not finished and there are other sources, including a radio station ( URY ) which is broadcast over Europe and beyond. In being interviewed on this station, Hughes shows a level of notability. Similarly, his work with various charities including as an LGBT Delegate to the National Union of Students ( which has not yet been put on the article ) shows a great level of engagement within his remit. It would be wrong to attempt to delete this article prior to it being updated fully with as much information as can be ascertained. If any feel that the article must be removed for not meeting the notability criteria, then it should be suggested to merge the article with the York University Student Union page as it links to this article. Lydius (talk) 17:31, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I have also uploaded the fact he was an LGBT NUS delegate but unfortunately a reference has yet to be produced. I think it is important to this article and its subject notability to be aware of his work with the National Union of Students. A citation is still needed, however, for this information. Lydius (talk) 19:04, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the use of the 'media', the view of plurals et al - I do not really feel it is particularly useful to involve deeply in denigrating the hard work of another by questioning every word that they have written. If the article is flagged up as not meeting the notability guidelines, which I think is unfair given the electoral mandate, then that can be discussed and if considered vitally necessary, merged with the wider 'YUSU' article. I do not think that questioning each word is a constructive way to proceed. Lydius (talk) 21:12, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Please understand that this has nothing to do with "denigrating the hard work" of anyone. There can be many pitfalls in writing articles when you have a conflict of interest, including being unable to properly maintain a neutral point of view, and becoming hurt when articles are edited by people who do not have a conflict with the subject. While the use of the term "received media attention" may seem trivial, it is in fact a very common technique of puffery, which is the practice of exaggerating the notability of a subject.
 * I believe that the subject fails the threshold of "significant coverage", because the coverage cited is limited to a student newspaper and a student radio station. Indeed, being an elected member of a student union is on its face a position that does not merit a stand-alone article. I think that a merger to University of York Students' Union is appropriate. Steamroller Assault (talk) 21:36, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Whilst I still would not agree and do feel an electoral mandate of over 13,000 is quite a reason for having a page, I take the point. Very well; if you think that a merger with the YUSU page is appropriate, then it shall be done as soon as possible. Given that, please do not delete the page until one of those contributing on the page has successfully moved both it and the picture onto the other page. Thank you. Lydius (talk) 22:07, 20 September 2011 (UTC) UPDATE: have moved information and photograph into YUSU article proper. If it is desired to remove the subject page, this is now possible. Lydius (talk) 22:37, 20 September 2011 (UTC)