Talk:Robert Petkoff

Cleaning up the page
I'd like to say first, it's clear one editor has a conflict of interest with the writing about this subject. WP:COI strongly discourages editors from creating or editing articles with which we have a personal stake. It's just not the best way of creating pagespace. I'll also concede that I've edited an article or two with which I have an association, so few editors are completely clean of COI. We tend to edit what we know, so if a subject we know is notable, we tend to care about that pagespace. It's wise to confess this upfront. I'll caution the editor to be aware of the slippery slope created by a conflict of interest in editing. Please at least skim the material at WP:COI; we take this pretty seriously especially with WP:BLPs. Please read that link too (all of it).

Any improvement should begin by removing signs of COI and resume-looking material. We've got lots of sources, so cleaning them up will be an early task. We should not remove any page tags. Sure they're unsightly, but we shouldn't remove them. They call other Wikipedians' eyes to what we're doing. This is a good thing.

We need to de-puff the page. I have no doubt the subject is a formidable performer, but let's source any complimentary or uncomplimentary stuff, per WP:VERIFIABILITY.

I'm going to take the liberty of changing the section heads to more standard uses, I'd suggest we also think about changing the career material into a more chronological format. BusterD (talk) 00:00, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * We've got bigger problems. Read WP:COPYVIO. It appears that much of the text is copied or paraphrased closely from the subject's personal website. We can't use any of it as is. And the picture. It's a resume shot (a wonderful image, btw), but looks professionally photographed. If the user didn't take it, it doesn't belong to the user to upload. The subject could upload it, I suspect, likely having all rights to his own headshots. I'm going to have to stub the article (remove almost all content). This will have an immediate negative effect; however, it will make it easier for us to create our own text, which we were going to do anyway. Notability doesn't expire; we're building a page which will be here 100 years from now. So a few days of development will get this subject the page deserved; you'll learn something more about Wikipedia, and maybe we can get you to spend some edits working on page subjects with whom you don't seem to share a connection. (that was a jibe, not a rub) BusterD (talk) 01:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Keep it up
Just wanted to note the ongoing improvements to this article. Keep it up, you both. Doddy Wuid (talk) 21:54, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think User:Cwands is enjoying this just a little bit. BusterD (talk) 22:20, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi There
Curious as to why this page is still marked with the badge of shame of a COI almost a year later? Looking through it there appears to be nothing but factual, supported content. No puffery or negative commentary. Simply a listing of credits and a mini biography. Even if this was edited by someone who knows me, nothing in the article is subjective, so it couldn't possible matter. Just curious. Any answers? Rpetkoff (talk) 15:38, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right, Robert. The cleanup work has been done, and while the text still needs inline cites, it's not the same article tagged last August. I'll remove the tag. BusterD (talk) 16:10, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Per the second post in the top section above, I still have questions about the uploaded image. As a professional profile image, User:Cwands might not have any copyright to the image, if she didn't take the picture herself. Usually uploads should be one's own work, and I'm not sure this qualifies. BusterD (talk) 16:17, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi BusterD, Thanks for cleaning that up. As to copyright for the image, it is a self-portrait headshot (or rather bodyshot) taken by me (sorry for the redundancy)so copyright isn't an issue. I've placed it up on the Wikimedia Commons and linked it from there.  Cheers!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpetkoff (talk • contribs) 17:48, 16 July 2012 (UTC)