Talk:Robert Rosen (biologist)

Well known
Robert Rosen's work has always generated both extreme appreciation and extreme anger, depending on the attitude and point of view of the individuals in the audience. I've been present in the audience at his talks and I have seen that firsthand; signed, Judith Rosen

"In biology he is well known for a class of relational cell models called (M,R)-systems he devised."

This is false. Robert Rosen is not well known by any biologist I know, his (M,R) model is not mentioned in any mainstream textbook about Biology, Chemistry, Biochemistry or Biophysics and its conclusions are not accepted except by a few researchers whom speciality is not Physics or Biology but Mathematics.


 * Adjusted accordingly to "is known by some". He is known by biologists, but I agree, not widely. --Lexor|Talk 21:30, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

"Questions about Rosen's mathematical underpinnings of "relational biology" have been raised in a paper authored by Christopher Landauer and Kirstie L. Bellman which claims that that some of the mathematical "proofs" used by Rosen are dubious."

Maybe one should add a link to a comment by T. Gwinn where these claims are discussed and questioned.

There is a link to a site Rosen Enterprises wich only aim is to sell Rosen's books at astronomical prices. Indeed, that website is property of Judith Rosen, Rosen's daugther. This should be removed.

Note by Judith Rosen: I am currently putting all of my father's out-of-print work up on my website, for free access. The current date is July 26, 2008. I hope to have this effort finished by this time next year but, as I am doing it myself, it could take longer.

Wikification
I reorganized this article into the common biographical structure. Hereby it became clear that practically all biographical data was still missing in the article. Now I created that chapter anyway, because I hope others can fill in the blanks. - Mdd 23:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

In the end of the article is said: "They also claim that the idea that it is possible to establish a correspondence relation between languages and ideal or abstract entities different but related to physical objects has been repudiated in a broad sense from disciplines like linguistics and philosophy of language." I read the cited paper and I was unable to find such claims. I think this should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.139.215.19 (talk) 03:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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BOOK: Anticipatory Systems: Philosophical, Mathematical and Methodological Foundations.
Published 1985 OR 2003? Both dates are in the list at the moment! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.226.15.80 (talk) 12:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, and it's high time (it's been 9 years nearly since that comment!) that someone with time to spare removed the 'citation needed' tag and linked it to the entry in the publication list (and dealt with the duplication in the list, which seems to be a matter of different editions of the same book). --Brian Josephson (talk) 16:02, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Quote
The article cites the following quote as coming from the "Autobiographical Reminiscences of Robert Rosen" but I can't find it anywhere in that article: "The human body completely changes the matter it is made of roughly every 8 weeks, through metabolism, replication and repair. Yet, you're still you-- with all your memories, your personality... If science insists on chasing particles, they will follow them right through an organism and miss the organism entirely,".

I have searched the version published in Axiomenes, 2006, vol. 16, p. 1-23. — Preceding unsigned comment added by T4exanadu (talk • contribs) 21:40, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

If Roberto Poli is capable of seeing the merit of relational biology, then why not others? I can see it. Though I was not yet hungry, I ate today, in anticipation of hunger. - David Macy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.36.59.8 (talk) 20:03, 20 April 2016 (UTC)