Talk:Robert Roswell Palmer

Untitled
Just use "AD" Anyway, AD and BC are STILL USED.

Photo portrait
I found this photo of RR Palmer. Maybe it will be useful. I don't know how to upload it to wikipedia.

http://www.historians.org/Perspectives/issues/2002/Summer/Pics/Palmerresized.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.51.31.186 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 5 February 2007‎ (UTC)


 * new URL http://www.historians.org/Images/Perspectives/Summer%202002/Palmerresized.jpg
 * --P64 (talk) 18:50, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * --P64 (talk) 18:50, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

AHA obituary
That photo portrait illustrates the American Historical Association obituary of Palmer.

In turn, that is the target page of our ref#1. But it doesn't even roughly fit the details of our reference (eg, the titles differ) and its content doesn't quite fit our particular citations (eg, it doesn't identify his PhD dissertation).

--P64 (talk) 18:50, 26 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I updated the URLs as I made other improvements in both obituary references, [ref name=AHA] and [ref name=NYT] (and relocated the details of both in References). The two previous URLs redirect to the two current ones, but the content of the former evidently differs from its content when that ref was created three years ago (and presumably used as a source). Here is the old version of that one.
 * [ref name=AHA]. "R.R. Palmer, 1909–2002", American Historical Association memorial notice, Summer 2002, accessed 14 January 2011
 * Here is the new version.
 * [ref name=AHA]. Palmer, Stanley. "Former AHA President R. R. Palmer Dies". Perspectives on History. July 2002. American Historical Association. Retrieved 2014-04-25.
 * The titles differ, and that much in the old version should be reliable. The dates Summer 2002 and July 2002 also differ, and that too should be reliable. So I infer that page content differs.
 * Furthermore, the old was cited as source for Palmer's dissertation title which the new does not identify. (Re the latter, I moved the superscript up one line, which the new source content fits, and provided [ref name=LCC0] to the LCCatalog page for the work --which fits but does not specify a 1934 Cornell Univ. dissertation.)
 * --P64 (talk) 23:48, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The current Editor's Note implies that there is a third AHA death notice/obituary:
 * "A full obituary is being prepared by Prof. Isser Woloch of Columbia University for publication in an upcoming print issue of Perspectives."
 * We say Isser Woloch, Ph.D. Princeton 1965, so he is likely to be a Ph.D. student of Palmer.
 * --P64 (talk) 23:57, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The Woloch obit = Isser Woloch, "Robert R. Palmer, 11 January 1909 ·11 June 2002," Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society,  Vol. 148, No. 3 (Sep., 2004), pp. 393-398 in JSTOR. I have a copy if anyone wants one Rjensen (talk) 02:02, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Education
quote section 1, Life (reworded slightly by me this hour): "By winning a citywide contest for a play written in Latin, he earned a full scholarship to the University of Chicago where he studied with the historian Louis Gottschalk and earned his Bachelor's degree (Ph.B.) in 1931."

See Early entrance to college. "Robert Maynard Hutchins ..."

See Bachelor of Philosophy. "... In 1948 the University of Chicago offered a Ph.B. which differed from the B.A. in that it required two fewer non-required courses. The degree was offered by the College as part of the Hutchins program that allowed students to matriculate after two years of high school."

If R.R.Palmer was a high school student admitted after two years under the U.Chicago Hutchins program, then we should say so and provide some explanation.

--18:58, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Colton role
The article suggests that Joel Colton joined work on A History of the modern world from the third edition onward, but my copy of the same claims in its introduction of the authors that Colton joined from the second onward. This is the tenth edition of the book, does the eleventh say third and is this a mistake in my copy, or is it a mistake in the wikipedia article? 82.171.123.8 (talk) 22:27, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * 2nd edition. use WorldCat and get: A History of the Modern World. Second edition, revised with the collaboration of Joel Colton. by R R Palmer; Joel G Colton Publisher: Alfred A. Knopf: New York, 1961. Rjensen (talk) 23:25, 13 August 2015 (UTC)