Talk:Roberta Close

Pronoun use
Close is physically, psychologically, and legally a woman. Why does someone insist on using male pronouns? Bkatcher (talk) 13:59, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Close was obviously born a male. He had what is called a "sex change" operation later on, but one cannot truly change their sex (regardless of the law in place), so I believe male pronouns are most appropriate. --Jakes18 (talk) 20:06, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No Jakes18, I believe Bkatcher is right. According to the Wikipedia policies: "Any person whose gender might be questioned should be referred to using the gendered nouns, pronouns, and possessive adjectives that reflect that person's latest expressed gender self-identification. This applies when referring to any phase of that person's life. Nevertheless, avoid confusing or seemingly logically impossible text that could result from pronoun usage (for example: She fathered her first child)." --187.22.65.173 (talk) 19:27, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Close was born with deformed male genitalia and evidence exists she was actually gentically female. If you look at the articles for Christine Jorgensen, Renee Richards, Jan Morris, and Tula Cossey, you'll note that they use feminine pronouns. If someone says they are a woman and their doctors and the government agree, I don't feel it's our place to say otherwise. Anyone else have thoughts? Bkatcher (talk) 22:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have any references that actually state that she was born with deformed male genetalia?Centerone (talk) 15:44, 17 November 2012 (UTC)