Talk:Rochester Lancers (1967–1980)

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Requested move 12 April 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved. No support for this move. (non-admin closure).  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   06:38, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

– This request will undo a recent undiscussed move. The original Lancers are still the primary topic for the name, not the semi-pro team that until this week was known as the Rochester RiverDogz. The RiverDogz have barely gotten any media coverage in Rochester, and I don't think the name change even got a mention in the Democrat and Chronicle. The current Lancers just don't have anywhere near the notability or recognizability of the original Lancers, or even the indoor Lancers from a few years ago. This move should be undone promptly. Powers T 13:25, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Rochester Lancers (1967–80) → Rochester Lancers
 * Rochester Lancers → Rochester Lancers (NPSL)


 * Oppose -I suspect this may have stemmed from the fact that now there will be a third team bearing the name "Rochester Lancers" -the original 1967–80 team, the MASL team of 2011–15, and the former RiverDogz. Given that there are now 3 squads bearing the same name, I think the change is completely warranted. I grew up in the Tampa area with the old Rowdies who along with NY, Ft.L and a few others the standard bearers of NASL. Times change and in many instances on wikipedia that I've seen, the current active soccer club is the one without a parenthetical notation on the name. Even if the RiverDogz had not changed names, one could argue that the NASL team should have added (1967–80) after the MASL team's wiki page went up. Would anyone argue that the current New York Cosmos are better known than the original Cosmos? Of course not, but New York Cosmos (1970–85) is where you'll find the team of Pele and Beckenbauer. I say leave it Rochester Lancers (1967–80). In fact with 3 squads, you probably need to even consider adding a dismabig page for "Rochester Lancers" a-la Fort Lauderdale Strikers (disambiguation). Time marches on my friend. Just my two cents –Creativewill (talk) 15:54, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose - It's become standard practice on WikiProject Football to rename the articles titles of defunct NASL clubs when a newer club also eligible for an article on Wikipedia exists. In this case, the original Rochester Lancers hasn't been active for 37 years and Rochester Riverdogz )who already had an article on Wikipedia) chose to use the Lancers name, the article title, links to the article and related categories were updated.


 * There are two articles about non-professional teams in the table below, Philadelphia Fury and Chicago Mustangs (2012–), on both occasions, the original NASL club has had its article title renamed.


 * {| class="wikitable"

!Original article !Newer club(s) article !Disambiguation page
 * Chicago Mustangs (1967–68)
 * Chicago Mustangs (2012–)
 * Chicago Mustangs
 * Edmonton Drillers (1979–82)
 * Edmonton Drillers (1996–2000)
 * Edmonton Drillers (2007–)
 * Edmonton Drillers
 * Fort Lauderdale Strikers (1977–83)
 * Fort Lauderdale Strikers (1988–94)
 * Florida Strikers
 * Fort Lauderdale Strikers (disambiguation)
 * New York Cosmos (1970–85)
 * New York Cosmos (2010)
 * New York Cosmos
 * Philadelphia Fury (1978–80)
 * Philadelphia Fury
 * n/a
 * Portland Timbers (1975–82)
 * Portland Timbers (1975–82)
 * Portland Timbers (1985–90)
 * Portland Timbers
 * Portland Timbers (disambiguation)
 * San Diego Sockers (1978–96)
 * San Diego Sockers (2001–04)
 * San Diego Sockers (2009)
 * San Diego Sockers
 * San Jose Earthquakes (1974–88)
 * San Jose Earthquakes
 * n/a
 * Seattle Sounders (1974–83)
 * Seattle Sounders (1994–2008)
 * Seattle Sounders FC
 * Seattle Sounders (disambiguation)
 * Tampa Bay Rowdies (1975–93)
 * Tampa Bay Rowdies
 * n/a
 * Toronto Blizzard (1971–84)
 * Toronto Blizzard (1986–93)
 * Toronto Blizzard
 * Tulsa Roughnecks (1978–84)
 * Tulsa Roughnecks (1993–2000)
 * Tulsa Roughnecks FC
 * Tulsa Roughnecks
 * }
 * n/a
 * Seattle Sounders (1974–83)
 * Seattle Sounders (1994–2008)
 * Seattle Sounders FC
 * Seattle Sounders (disambiguation)
 * Tampa Bay Rowdies (1975–93)
 * Tampa Bay Rowdies
 * n/a
 * Toronto Blizzard (1971–84)
 * Toronto Blizzard (1986–93)
 * Toronto Blizzard
 * Tulsa Roughnecks (1978–84)
 * Tulsa Roughnecks (1993–2000)
 * Tulsa Roughnecks FC
 * Tulsa Roughnecks
 * }
 * Toronto Blizzard
 * Tulsa Roughnecks (1978–84)
 * Tulsa Roughnecks (1993–2000)
 * Tulsa Roughnecks FC
 * Tulsa Roughnecks
 * }
 * Tulsa Roughnecks
 * }


 * I see no issue with the current arrangement. At the moment, an active team that is eligible for an article has the article title with a hatnote to the team that has been defunct for nearly four decades and another that was active for four. TheBigJagielka (talk) 16:18, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose Makes more sense for the current club not to be disambiguated; Maidstone United F.C. (1897) and Accrington Stanley F.C. (1891) are arguably more notable than their current reincarnations based on their histories, but I would expect to find the modern clubs at the undisambiguated title (which they are at). Number   5  7  16:57, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


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