Talk:Rock Against Communism

1/1/07
I plan on reworking a lot of this. I removed the tags under the band section that stated that new bands should already have articles and be listen in alphabetic order. Skrewdriver, the band that started the whole genre/movement, should not be below more minor bands. Also, I feel that major bands who have not had articles created for them yet should not be barred from being on the list.


 * The rule of thumb on Wikipedia is if a band isn't notable enough to have its own article, it's not notable to be included in lists of notable bands. Also, lists should be in alphabetical order, not order of importance. I will reverse any of your edits that go against justified Wikipedia standards.Spylab 11:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

If stubs on key bands are created, won't interested members contribute to articles? I do believe many Wikipedia articles are arranged in a way which aims to foster growth. Also, this article is plagued by inaccuracies. For instance, I doubt many in the scene would consider Blue Eyed Devils (and, to a lesser extent, RaHoWa) RAC. Likewise, and the statement regarding RAC bands barely ever writing songs about communism is fallacious and seems to be written from one either biased or ignorant of the scene. Warmaster18 01:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

07/01/2006
Changed the part "(which was true for Charlie Sargent, the founder of C18)" to its present wording. C18 was almost completely infiltrated and I for one believe it safe to assume that it was specifically created with the aim of pinning down racist crime, but this was never proven. It's important to distinguish a commonly accepted asumption from fact.

Criticism
The Criticism section could do with some more explanation. Which of their music comes from Irish or Jewish culture?Were/are they anti-irish?(there is nothing about that in the rest of the article) Even if this is true I don't see how it follows that by using musical styles that come from these cultures they are hypocritical for using lyrics and themes that are anti- women,gays and animals, as there is no contradiction between being black, Irish or Jewish and being sexist, homophobic or 'speciesist'. Unfortunately I don't know anything about ROC, so I can't expand this myself, but this section definitely needs some editing.--Ruby Tuesday 11:15, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The criticism section is ridiculous. There are Irish Rock Against Communism bands, so I have no idea why that is listed, not to mention the fact the idea Rock music has African roots is highly debatable and is a matter of opinion. Where Jewish people had anything to do with creating Rock music is beyond me. That should be deleted or heavily edited. -unsigned

The claim in here that Burzum is NSBM is rubbish, Varg Vikerns was a Satanist for a period of the first record he made, and then later after he was imprisoned forged Natioanl Socailst ideas. In addition someone mearly playing Black Metal and being a National Socalist doesn't make it NSBM, the sound is entirely different to regular BM. -unsigned

Inaccuracies
"Especially in Europe, white racist hip-hop acts such as Aryan Duo are beginning to spring up." Reading the linked article, "Aryan Duo" is simply a random neo-Nazi band that's been banned, not a hip-hop group. While the article mentions people described as skinheads attending hip-hop concerts, there's no actual mention of neo-Nazi hip-hop, which is plainly as ridiculous a notion as the Hitlerjugend singing Hava Nagila. Unigolyn 16:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No more ridiculous than neo-Nazi rock music, given rock's African-American origins. Ten years ago I would have thought the idea of neo-Nazi hip hop ridiculous ; however, given that hip-hop is no more African-American today than rock was by 1964, it is quite possible. Apparently there was a discussion on Stormfront about White Nationalist hip-hop.
 * Aryan Duo are described as "Aryan hip-hop" here:71.118.48.243 05:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Other significant inaccuracies exist. Blue Eyed Devils is a Hatecore band, not an RAC band. You should include them in that article. Same with Angry Aryans. Neither one is RAC.

Sign your comments
If you are posting comments here, you should sign them. Spylab 11:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah ?
"RAC lyrics typically feature nationalist, neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic and racist themes."

Really ? I have many Polish RAC bands albums such as "Szwadron97", "NaRa", "Legion", "Twierdza" etc. and no one of them is "neo-nazi", "anti-semitic" or "racist", all of them are "pro-Poland (nationalist)" but their music doesn't include any nazi things such as listed above. Article is a POV now and have to be changed.

--Krzyzowiec (talk) 04:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Again... The article is about WORLD RAC not only American or British. Polish RAC DOESN'T include (neo)nazi or racist themes. Please change article to more neutral.

--Krzyzowiec (talk) 03:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I have an excellent suggestion. Why don't you Be Bold and edit the article yourself? You clearly seem to know some thing about the Polish RAC scene, which is certainly more than I do. Please make sure that you include reliable sources for anything you write however, particularly as it sounds like what you would write may be contentious. But seriously, don't just demand other editors do your work for you. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 12:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

NSBM
Unless you can find a reliable source to the contrary, NSBM is not a form of RAC, and should not be listed in this article. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 12:29, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Hatecore
I added a comment over at hatecore concerning some confusion regarding the relationship between RAC and hatecore. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 15:45, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Related move request
See Talk:Racist_music for a move request that affects a redirect to this page. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:14, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Brutal Attack
I wonder why there is no mention about Brutal Attack the second famous band of RAC? Funny Ken Mc Lellan had 2 Kids with a black woman.

Ken McLellan

Providing “entertainment” to the Salem rally is Ken McLellan, singer with the notorious Nazi rock band “Brutal Attack”.

McLellan is known to have a violent temper and in 1999 gave a fellow Nazi and former Nick Griffin lap dog Adrian Woods, a horrific beating at a pub in the Derbyshire.

Woods was formerly the leader of the “Surrey Border Front” as well as having stints in the NF and the BNP. He moved to the East Midlands in 1999 to start a new life after falling out with Griffin’s followers, and after a fight with McLellan, suffered a broken jaw and several broken ribs and was reported to have been rushed to intensive care.

The violence took place following an argument where Woods mocked McLellan for singing nationalist songs when he had fathered two children with a black woman.

With thanks to our colleagues at EXPO in Stockholm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.54.181.173 (talk) 03:32, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source for this bit of WP:BLP propaganda? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:59, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Search in old Skinhead Fanzines.Brutal Attack breaks up when it comes out that he had a black wife. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.54.166.7 (talk) 20:19, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

That is just a completely unfounded claim from a left wing rag. Brutal Attack have never broken up.

Brutal attack, has never broken up. Ken Mclellan has had multiple kids worldwide, one with a woman who claims to be half native. Not black. Their son is likewise a Nazi. Bonedig (talk) 17:31, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

RfC
An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 17:15, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

9/11 2021
Someone had changed all references to nazism and white power into euphemisms such as "anticommunist", removing all the citations from the article in the process. I added a couple of references and made clear what RAC was about: neo-nazi and white power rock music. If anyone more knowledged in this field than me could add some more references, that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.235.240.13 (talk) 10:50, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Consecutive edits
Apologies for the consecutive edits. I kept making mistakes whether it be forgetting to put a description or reverting to the wrong date. Anyway it needed to be reverted because of the genre box being removed by an unconstructive edit. I explained thst it's because of the fact that the lead and ADL source describe it has a genre of music. Telleroftruth2000 (talk) 03:50, 19 August 2023 (UTC)