Talk:Rock Band (video game)/Archive 1

Endless Setlist Mode Announced
Courtesy of www.scorehero.com. http://www.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=440893#440893 Discgolferpro 12:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Wired Drums and Microphone
Someone should include (with citation) that the drums and microphone are both wired, despite the guitars having the option of being wireless. Seems like a pretty important oversight. 38.115.60.50 21:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

North American release date
http://globalnerdy.com/2007/09/29/rock-band-hits-the-shelves-on-black-friday/ --WildKard84 20:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

DLC
"Every subsequent week after Rock Band's release, there will be new downloadable content." this statement should probably be: "Every subsequent week after Rock Band's release, for an undisclosed period, there will be new downloadable content." —Preceding unsigned comment added by

121.217.219.254 (talk) 03:23, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Citation: www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/07/11/rock-band-to-have-weekly-dlc-full-album-downloads-and-metallic/

Rolling stones
since when wa paint it black replaced with gimme shelter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoover889 (talk • contribs) 00:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Pricing
Can someone clean up the pricing section? It's pretty confusing as it is, and although well sourced, the information is somewhat repetitive. Chipotlehero 13:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

As of August 6, 2007 the game can be ordered with a price of 199.99$ for both Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 racer_x124

Game Informer
there is a pic in gameinformer that would be great for this--24.10.15.177 06:44, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

"...and both keyboard and guitar effects pedals will be based on brands from Roland and BOSS, respectively".

I can't see anything in this page or the cited source that suggests there will be keyboard controllers available, let alone keyboard effect pedals. It'd definately be awesome, but for now it's pure speculation.


 * The source itself never explicitly claims that these corporations will endorse peripherals for the game, but rather that they have been conscripted to appear on in-game materials. (Consider Orange amps being used in Guitar Hero II, for example) Whether or not the relationship evolves into something more substantial remains to be seen, a sentiment echoed in the GameSpot article itself. The wording in the article is a bit poor though, so it should probably be altered. - C. M. Reed 05:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

june issue?
i dont think it was the june issue of GI that said that, but I know that july is talking about it.--drumman8510 08:09, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

six songs from IGN
Can someone help to confirm or refute the six songs being added by an anon IP that this poster is claiming came from an IGN interview? The songs posted seem to be legit (not the usual wish-list type songs) but I've yet to see anything on IGN or any other major game site that describes this interview. Given the edits seem to be ignoring the Citation request, I'm beginning to think that this is just a poser. --Masem 18:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Given that the same IP posted, in reply, a goatse link as a reference, I'm pretty damn sure this is now wrong. I've removed the items --Masem 18:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

cost
does anyone have any ideo of how much it will cost? will the fact that it includes all the extra controllers make it cost over $100? anyone know?


 * I heard up to $200-$300 USD. See this article for what I'm talking about. Cotton  -reply here please- 20:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I changed the wording in the cost section of the article to make sure it is clear that the cost is still unannounced. The Rock Band official website confirms all prices as unannounced http://www.rockband.com/index.php?do=/public/content/file_faq/dir_language/ Chipotlehero 19:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

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Rock Band Video on Gamespot
It says there is a video on gamespot, but i cant access it. Fluke?

No, it is (was) a legitimate occurrence, though it has apparently been removed at the behest of Harmonix. Either way, the video itself can be seen on YouTube though it shouldn't be implemented into the article itself as it probably offends some sort of copyright. C. M. Reed 02:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

rectangles instead of circles?
im just wondering if there are going to be harmmer ons and pull offs like in guitar hero, I dont see a way to distinguish between regular and harmmer ons and pull offs with those rectangles
 * Filled vs. solid? Y2kcrazyjoker4 20:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Regular notes are rectangles, notes that you no not need to strum for are smaller circles. This can be seen by looking carefully at the videos.  I'm not sure of an actual source for this, however. Bakkster Man 18:42, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, the hammer-ons and pull-offs arent small circles, they're more like shortened rectangles. 71.7.106.244 02:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I will be the first to tell you, the distguishing of hammer-ons and pull-offs is a normal practice now with the release of Guitar Hero III. They use "halo"s on the tops of those notes to show that it can be performed without strumming. It is very distinct, and takes away the mystery of the successful 100%. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamestacker (talk • contribs) 20:13, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The screenshot
since the screen shot has the lyrics of rockaway beach by The Ramones, is it confirmed?


 * No; it falls in the same grey area as "Welcome to the Jungle". It's in present screenshots but not necessarily the final build. --Masem 03:30, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

"Phoneme" vs "Phone"
I read the initial Game Informer article, and they specifically say the word "phoneme" in regards to the mic functionality: specifically, that the game can tell the difference between vowel and consonant phonemes. Understanding that phone is meant to be a specific recognizable part of speech, while "phoneme" is a set of phones that have similar sounding characteristics, I'm pretty sure that Game Informer's usage is right based on their description: "Rock Band" will be able to tell if you're singing one or other type of phoneme, but not to be able to identify specific phones. --Masem 13:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * A phoneme is an abstraction, firmly in the realm of phonology. What the Rock Band software does is a matter of phonetics: it distinguishes between vocalic and consonantal phones based on analysis of their waveforms. It doesn't know anything about the phonemes of which they are allophones. Ilkali 14:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is about verifiability not truth. What is verifiable is that a reliable source uses 'Phoneme' not 'Phone', meaning that to stay in-line with Wikipedias core policy the article must use 'Phoneme' and anyone wishing to change that term must produce a reliable source related to this game that uses the term 'Phone'. DarkSaber2k 14:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If the article describes something that the game does, and that something can be best classified as phone analysis, then the article verifies that the game performs phone analysis. It doesn't need to use those words to do so. Ilkali 21:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The article does not describe how it is done. It just says "phoneme detection" that can tell the difference between vowels and consonants.  I would expect after or closer to release there may be some technical articles on how this works, but presently there is no additional information.  If it truly is "phone" rather that "phoneme" detection, then we can change it then. --Masem 22:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter how it's done. In your original quote, the article states that the game distinguishes between consonants and vowels without recognising specific phones. If you can't recognise individual phones, you're nowhere near the level of the phoneme. If the contents of the quote are true, the game necessarily does not use phoneme recognition. Ilkali 23:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * And it also doesn't matter what it actually recognizes. The line is a direct quote; in a direct quote, you can't change the content of what's said, even if it's not technically accurate.  The article says "phoneme," so the quoted text must also say "phoneme."  Rdfox 76 23:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Re: "The line is a direct quote". No it isn't. Ilkali 00:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I quote from the article (p66 running into p67): "Vocalists sing along to the rock tunes as they always have. Now, however, a phoneme detector will pick up the individual vowels and consonants that you say." Ok, I mixed up detector with detection, but the key work "phoneme" is what is printed there. If the game's actually doing "phone" detection, and the author messed up, understandably, but this is the only current reliable source that I've seen on what the mic does in RB.  --06:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Recognising phonemes entails recognising phones. Recognising phones entails analysing phones. Do we agree that the article verifies that phone analysis occurs? Ilkali 11:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

{reset indent) No, it appears that everyone but you agrees that in order to keep in line with wikipedias core policy of verifiability not truth we must put it in the article as it appears in the source. To do otherwise is original research. DarkSaber2k 11:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Currently the Wikipedia article says that RB performs "phoneme recognition", while the source article only says that it has a "phoneme detector". Currently the Wikipedia article talks about distinguishing between vowels and consonants, while the source article talks about "pick[ing] up the individual vowels and consonants". Different words with different meanings. Isn't it supposed to be as it appears in the source?
 * I presented an argument for the verifiability of the claim that RB uses phone analysis. Are you going to address that argument? Ilkali 12:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Now it matches the source, problem solved. You have no argument. What you are doing is synthesising your own interpretations and the sources to push your own view, expressly banned by the original research policy. The sentence in the article now matches the source exactly, conforming with verifiable not truth. There is nothing further to discuss if you have no argument based around wikipedia policies. DarkSaber2k 12:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, let's start from the barest basics. If a reputable article states A, and A entails B, the article verifies B. Do you agree to this?
 * No. To quote wiki policy: Editors often make the mistake of thinking that if A is published by a reliable source, and B is published by a reliable source, then A and B can be joined together in an article to advance position C. However, this would be an example of a new synthesis of published material serving to advance a position, and as such it would constitute original research. I say again, you have no argument. DarkSaber2k 13:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * So if an article stated that 'Joe killed Bob' (A), any claim that 'Bob is dead' (B) would be original research? Of course not. A entails B, so by verifying A, the article verifies B. Barest basics. Ilkali 13:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Once again, this is about wiki polcies. You want WP:V in it's barest basic, it's this: Wikipedia is about verifiability not truth. Quite simply, everything in the article must be verifibale through sources. We have a source for the way the article currently written. We have you saying that is wrong. Wikipedia says we go with the source. Do you need it dumbed down any further? DarkSaber2k 13:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you even reading what I'm writing? Do you know what the words mean? I'm not arguing that either claim is synthetically true or false. I'm arguing, currently, that the one I favor is verified by the article. All you seem able to do is repeatedly assert otherwise. Ilkali 13:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Here's a link to another RB preview article from a group that played it at E3 - - they also use the words "phoneme detection". Now, I'm going to assume that both the author of the GI article and the author of this piece are not voice pattern analysis experts (nor do I claim to be one myself), yet we're seeing this "phoneme detection" appearing in separation sources. My feeling is that this is exactly the phase that HMX or whomever is showing the game to these people is using to say how the microphone works. It may be that someone perverted the true meaning to make it a marketing term, because casually saying "phone detection" to a person not familiar with voice patterns may wonder why the game needs to determine if a telephone is nearby; it may be that the person that set this phrase in motion didn't understand the difference between "phone detection" and "phoneme detection", and came up with a technical sounding phrase that matched what they were aware of what the game was doing. Either way, "phoneme detection" is the phrase that we can cite even if it is not the proper term. Maybe this could be a case equivalent to a "(sic)" used in quotes: we know what the speaker meant, but what they are quoted as stating is completely wrong.

Question to Ilkali then, as you do appear to know the distinction here: What is the difference between "phoneme detection" and "phone detection"? What they describe they are technically doing with the mic is limited in both articles, but if we can make a clear distinction based on the proper definition of these terms and what they are doing, we can rewrite the article to state along the lines that "phoneme detection" is not quite the right term to use. However, we have to be able to do that without original research, and given the limited amount of information that is out there, that doesn't appear to be possible (we would have to make assumptions about what the mic does over and above what the two articles states). I understand the frustration knowing that it should be one way and not the other, but presently there's no sufficient information that appears to make a compelling change in the article. I would, however, expect that as the game gets closer to release we will hear more, enough to make a better distinction. --Masem 13:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Ikali, it no longer matters whether the correct term is phoneme or phone. At this point, we are using a direct quote of the preview in Game Informer, and one of the basic rules of any document that contains direct quotes is that the quote itself may not be modified.  At this point, there's not enough technical detail on the hardware and software used to determine exactly how the microphone works; once there is, maybe we'll be able to determine if it's actually phone detection instead of phoneme detection.  However, at this point, making the claim that the "phoneme detection" phraseology is inaccurate is both original research and speculation, both of which are prohibited by Wikipedia policy.  Maybe we should just take a step back, take a deep breath, and leave it at the raw quote for now, and revisit this once technical details of the microphone are revealed?  After all, to misquote Joel Hodgson, "It's just a Wiki, we should really just relax."  Rdfox 76 14:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

The wiki article is probably using the best method possible here until the game actually comes out and we can verify what it really does -- it says "according to game informer" and then puts quotation marks around a direct quote. The technical difference between phones and phonemes is only going to matter to those who know what they are; and those that are curious and find out what they are might note that the quote can't possibly be true. But I think the inclusion of the quote in its current form (explicitly stating where it came from and using quotation marks to denote that it's lifted directly from the source) is probably the optimal solution for the moment. 63.163.61.3 17:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Cymbals?
I know that cymbals are an integral part of drumming... but i don't see them anywhere on the kit. Will they be triggered by one of the drum pads? And if they choose to make seperate cymbals, they'll need another pedal for hihat control. Just saying...
 * Two pads will be used for the hihat and crash/ride cymbal, depending on the song. Y2kcrazyjoker4 13:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Strokes????
During the Microsoft E3 conference they said that the Strokes will be in the game. Can someone find a source? I watched the vid on TV so I dont have a link..

Metallica
Enter Sandman is in: http://www.gamespot.com/news/.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0

I have two words for that. HOLY HELL! --Invader TAK 00:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Before anyone comments on Metallica letting a song in any game for the first time since 1999, let me remind all of you that Wikipedia, and its discussion pages, are not forums for general discussion. Incidentally, it would be useful to watch the GS article for coming developments, if there are any, or to verify songs in case of vandals. -Motleh 02:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Steven Van Zandt Chairman of Rock Band Advisory Board
so says joystiq: http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/11/steven-van-zandt-chairs-rock-band-music-advisory-board/ ill let someone else add it since someone else can do a better job than me.98.16.82.152 00:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Might be best to wait for an announcement from Harmonix themselves, or if it's already been announced someone could find a link for verification. No matter how "credible" joystiq is, it's not an official part of Harmonix Systems, Inc. I believe it's best to wait a bit. Of course, if anyone has a problem with that, I'd be happy to reconsider. -Motleh 02:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Alex Rigopulos announced it at E3 today during EA's key note. the picture on joystiq's article is steven van zandt at the podium during the key note. besides, if info from gamespot is being added, why not from joystiq? i would consider them equals(considering they both have live E3 coverage at the moment).98.16.82.152 02:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * just found it on the rockband.com website under "press" but you cant link it. that should be good enough proof isnt it? lol. it also has a little bit more info about metallica being in the game, as well as the full album DLC.98.16.82.152 03:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Bundles available at Gamestop/EB
Just wondering if there was any reason the bundles available at Gamestop/EB Games weren't listed under the pricing heading. It's the game, guitar, drums, and mic for US$ 199.99 and is linked through the Rock Band website under the "Pre-Order" tab. I figured this would be in the article already, unless there is a reason I am unaware of which is why I'm inquiring. 71.195.89.35 13:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Online store catalogs are not reliable sources. They often get dates wrong, and while most other details are generally correct, they should not be used as a factual reference. --Masem 14:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * GameStop/EBGames pre-order listings are almost always guestimates at what they think the game will sell for and when it will be released. They are usually not reliable and since Harmonix has not confirmed a price point yet, they remain speculation at this point. Y2kcrazyjoker4 18:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

welcome to the jungle/last train home is in!!
you can see it here : http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xd3E8zgqJM4

last train home by the lostprophets is in!! watch it here : http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=
 * I'd just like to point out that the video does not match the audio in any way, shape, or form. Also, the Welcome to the Jungle link (posted by this user or not) has already been confirmed to not be in Rock Band, but instead in Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock. EDIT: And these songs have been put in the article? I doubt the credibility of these links. Nfsjunkie91 02:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Please do not add unconfirmed songs, especially with YouTube videos as your source! Please also sign all comments you make on this page. Y2kcrazyjoker4 12:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

"Mastering the drums on hard..."
I have seen it multiple places that if you master the drums on the hard difficulty, then you would be able to play a real drum kit. So does this mean that there are only 3 difficulty levels for the drums? Or is there going to be 4 levels? I sure hope there is an expert level but does anyone know for sure?--Shardsoffork 06:59, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There will almost certainly be an Expert difficulty. I think they are just saying mastering the Hard difficulty will be the beginning of a player being competent at real-life drums and anything beyond that is even more of an accomplishment. Y2kcrazyjoker4 01:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok thats good to hear I'm excited to see how well non-drummers will be able to play. Actually I'm curious to see how well actual drummers will play too. Overall I think this is going to be the best aspect of this entire game, and I cant wait to play it.--Shardsoffork 06:59, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Once the Developer blogs come back online I'll grab a source that confirms both Expert mode and the "learn to play drums" anecdote. Bakkster Man 18:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's the blog post: Bakkster Man 19:13, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This is really an idiotic statement; i've played the Expert charts for all 15 demo songs in the game, and almost all of them omit drum-rolls during certain parts of the song. However, the real idiocy here is that the hi-hat in 95% of instances where it's used as the beat in a song has it placed on the yellow drum, with the snare on the red drum, to the left of the yellow drum; almost EVERY rock drumset/5-piece kit in the WORLD, especially america, has the hi-hat on the LEFT of the snare drum, so you can cross your arms to use your right arm on the hi-hat with your left arm on the snare drum; this game forces you to do the reverse, making rolls from the hi-hat/snare to the toms/cymbal a huge pain in the ass, and nowhere near what you'd be doing on a real, normal drumset. I personally play drums in real life, have been for years, and Drummania is much closer to real drums than this, but neither game I would say can make the claim that "if you can play this on this difficulty, you can play it in real life". And no, this is not targeted towards anyone here, I know the creators of the game said this quote. deepbluevibes 07:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Songs Wanted
If we start a list of songs that would be good for Rock Band maybe they can make the list. Two songs that could be great on Rock Band and should of probably been in Guitar Hero. Stairway to Heaven by Lef Zepplin and Dont Stop Beleivin by Journey
 * Before you get blasted by someone else, we can't do that. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a request website for Rock Band. If you want to submit songs that you want on the game, e-mail the Rock Band staff on the official website.  And by the way, you spelled "Zeppelin" and "Believin'" wrong. Moviemaniacx 19:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * If you want a place for that, go to the official Rock Band forums: www.rockband.com/vbforum

Double Bass
How are you going to play double bass, like on metallica songs.
 * You won't. There's 1 bass pedal, so songs will have to be consolidated. Y2kcrazyjoker4 13:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

No Rhythm
Hi, as i'm a new user i can't edit the page, but the article says it will be guitar, vocals, drums, and bass/rhythm(source being the GI article). i have known that there is no announcement of rhythm guitar in the game, and went back to check the GI article anyway, and it only says bass. the official site does not mention rhythm, and neither do any interviews i have seen. can somebody please fix this?
 * I'm pretty sure the IGN previews mention rhythm. Think you can confirm this for us? Y2kcrazyjoker4 12:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * No, IGN doesn't say anything about rhythm.

Wtf? In real life AND in the game there is no such instrument as the "Rythym guitar" or the "Lead guitar", its both ONE instrument but different roles... they are making the ONE controller type work for playing bass or rythm... and bass too


 * Ok, what's your point? Y2kcrazyjoker4 02:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That's not what i'm talking about. In GH2, there was a choice on some of the songs for rhythm guitar or bass guitar(on quick play) if you didn't choose lead. And some people think that rhythm guitar is a part for this game, but there has been no announcement for it so it should not be on the article.

Ac/Dc?
THe newest issue of EGM says that AC/DC will "support Rock Band." While that doesn't necessarily mean that a song from them will be in, shouldn't it at least get a mention?
 * The Guitar Hero 3 article has taken care of similar situations with a subsection under the confirmed songs list. If you can scan the article or find it online, I'm sure creating that section is acceptible.....--24.59.155.203 13:08, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Nirvana's Nevermind
The new issue of Gamepro announced 41 venues in world tour mode, across many famous cities, and announced the album "Nevermind" by Nirvana will be up for DLC
 * Please provide some scans. And in the future, always sign your posts on this talk page. Y2kcrazyjoker4 00:57, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind (haha, a pun!). I've seen the scans and I tried to link them in this article, but the domain on which the scans are hosted is not allowed by Wikipedia. Nevertheless, the GamePro article info has been confirmed. Y2kcrazyjoker4 17:51, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Think you could put in the info about venues? Rev0lverPH 19:59, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Please edit the screenshot
Someone keeps making an incredible mistake on the Rock Band screenshot in the Gameplay section. It says that the lead guitar is on the left. IT IS NOT. You can tell it is the bass/rhythm guitar because it has a 6x multiplier, but someone keeps thinking that the lead is on the left. Proof: http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/puzzle/rockband/news.html?sid=6173625&om_act=convert&om_clk=newsfeatures&tag=newsfeatures;title;3 4th paragraph. Spot2004 21:26, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That was the proof we were missing; the old Welcome to the Jungle vid definitely had lead guitar on left, but since we know that's not in the song, it was likely a very early build and so they likely changed it (though I see no reason why this can't be an option in the game to flip the positions of the three bottom pieces). Added that reference since it mentions the 6x bit. --Masem 22:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Gameplay videos from previews and E3 demonstrations have confirmed players can choose where their fretboard appears on the screen, so bass, lead, and drums won't always be in the same place. But the screenshot is now correctly labeled (thanks for recognizing the 6x multiplier in the bottom). Y2kcrazyjoker4 03:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Release Date
I Suggest changing the release date to simply November, 2007, since nothing official has been announced.

Agreed. When did Amazon release dates become reliable sources? Barring objection, I will probably change it in a few hours. RedSkull619 18:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes...I keep trying to change it, but some A-Holes keep changing it back to Nov 20th...Harmonix has thrown out the date November 6th an equal number of times. Wikidaily2 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 20:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

IGN also uses Nov. 20, and they are respectable journalist and all. Still, I agree holding off the day until it's official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.50.70.234 (talk) 01:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Game Engine
Does anyone know the name of the game engine (i.e., middleware) used in the development of Rock Band? Is it third-party or in-house? Aeonassoc 14:36, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

When they developed Guitar Hero they wrote their own game engine. I assume they are doing the same here, but I have no way to verify that. Bakkster Man 17:48, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Price, 360 Wired, and Wii version (NOT) confirmed
It's from GamePro, so I would consider it a verifiable source. What do you think? I'm adding it for now

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=128668

Toasty! &#124; Available at your local store 02:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * "An anonymous MS employee." Um, no, that's nowhere near a reliable source. --Masem 02:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm wondering what you would consider official confirmation if this is your idea of a verifiable source. Y2kcrazyjoker4 16:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Playable on non-HD sets?
All the screenshots I've seen have a 16:9 widescreen format. How does the game handle 4:3 SD televisions? Does it letterbox the screen? --24.249.108.133 03:50, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The Xbox has settings for 4:3 or 16:9 that you can change for what you have. Ive used my 360 on both types and it doesnt letterbox the screen, it just smashes it in there somehow, i dont know exactley what it takes out or does, I dont really pay attention but it look fine, just better on 16:9.

ps2 version, 10 new songs?
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6177102.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=morenews&tag=morenews;title;2 68.127.48.149 07:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The ten new songs are:


 * Rolling Stones -- “Gimme Shelter”
 * Deep Purple -- "Highway Star"
 * The Clash -- “Should I Stay or Should I Go”
 * Faith No More -- "Epic”
 * Smashing Pumpkins -- “Cherub Rock”
 * Radiohead -- “Creep”
 * Beastie Boys -- “Sabotage”
 * Jet -- “Are You Gonna Be My Girl”
 * OK Go -- “Here It Goes Again”
 * Nine Inch Nails -- “The Hand That Feeds”
 * For those who don't want to read the article. --24.18.217.143 09:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Cherub Rock and Sabotage. That's two down against those who thought GH3 songs would never make it the opposite way into Rock Band (just as Reptilia, Paranoid and Mississippi Queen went into GH3). Nice one, Harmonix. 200.231.177.20 20:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Will the PlayStation 2 version also be released in the United States of America or just in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and in any case, do we have dates for these releases as I do not think the current version of our article has this information. Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 21:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Ramones replacement?
Did HMX really decide for swapping Rockaway Beach with Blitzkrieg Bop? Never heard anything about that.

Anyway, I don't really think it would make any difference at all. Both songs are awesome, but I think Blitzkrieg Bop just has some more of a historic significance for punk and rock itself. 200.231.177.20 20:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Mic Stand in package?
I have no idea how much they've declared about their peripherals, but I noticed in a bunch of the 30 second demos on YouTube that the lead has a mic stand. Is that supposed to be included in the package, or was that their own addition? I'd really like to have a mic stand with this, without having to hunt one down outside that will match the mic. =( Boomshine 08:47, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, I looked on the RockBand official site, and if you look under Instruments, and then Mic, it says that a mic stand is also available. Boomshine 19:31, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Release date and PS2 Europe exclusive.
According to the US gamespot website, Rock Band will be coming out on Nov. 20th, and it doesn't say anything about the PS2 version being Europe exclusive. FrogTape 19:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Game Informer is the only source for the "exclusive to Europe" PS2 version. And in the past Game Informer has proven not to be very reliable. If it was Europe exclusive other sites would state so. Instead, the other sites state that there's a Europe PS2 exclusive version, not that the game itself will be only in Europe. In other words, the Europe version would be different than the US version, having European songs. I vote to have the 'Europe only' stuff omitted until another source is found. Other sites state things very differently.


 * Rock Band has no official dropdate as of yet, and so to even say that it's going to be November is speculation. The most that Rock Band officials have stated is Fall 2007, so until there's harder proof from Harmonix and Co., I'm changing the Release Date to Fall 2007. Boomshine 22:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Songs from PAX07
Is it OK to add songs that were included in the PAX07 build that was shown as being on the official track list of the game? I know that Bon Jovi's "Dead of Alive" was played by Tycho, Gabe, Kara (Gabe's wife), and their business manager on stage (youtube link to the performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H5VvMpO6T ), as well as Tycho playing "Here it Goes Again" by OK Go (Youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obqzM_wSBbo ). Is this enough to be listed as being part of the game officially, or if there were parts of a test build that might not make it into the final version? (Namrepus221 15:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC))


 * Uhh both of those songs are already listed on the page, with sources that released the information way before PAX 07. Meweight 16:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Third party guitars?
I looked at the two sources, but never found anything about third-party guitars being confirmed, only the original factory ones. Can anyone find a source for the third party guitars? If not we need to remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.179.42.198 (talk) 20:16, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed with correct sources. Y2kcrazyjoker4 04:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Image cover edit war
Please don't edit war over whether we use the PS3 or the 360 version cover for the video game. I've called out the editors involved on potentially violating the WP:3RR on this.

I'm going to crop one of the two and make an image that lacks the VG system markings but still clearly shows that it's RB. That'll make this stop. --Masem 13:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Nirvana's "Nevermind"
Ok, I know that IGN article is recent (this week) and seems to reaffirm "Nevermind" as downloadable content, the article describes it weirdly. The original "announcement" of "Nevermind" was widely spread, but the backpedaling from the HMX clarification wasn't as much, so I'm wondering if the editor is aware that "Nevermind" was, prior to his article, pulls off the list.

Basically, I'm not so sure that that article is correct, but lacking other reliable sources, I guess it has to stay, but I encourage someone to find a RECENT secondary source to help back that up. --Masem 13:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I think realistically if IGN was sure enough of its DLC status to put it in the magazine we can pretty much assume it's gonna be in, but we still shouldn't put it up here w/o absolute proof.

Metallica-One
I deleted the entry before, but it's been put back. I think the article is unreliable is likely an editorial error instead of a leak. Any agreement?209.208.219.227 21:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It's "Rolling Stone", so it's hard to say its not a reliable source. The text of the part of the article in question is this:
 * "Contrary to reports they were returning to their lawsuit-happy, Napster-killing ways, Metallica are not suing the video games “Guitar Hero 3” and “Rock Band” for featuring their …And Justice For All song “One.” A spokesperson for the band tells us that the band has licensed the song to the game makers and look forward to it appearing in both titles."
 * I can't see how this can be taken as an editorial slip. I can see it as Rolling Stone jumping the gun since this is the first bit of news that this song would be appearing and it might have been a near-release announcement for HMX.  But I see no way that that last statement could be mistaken as an editorial slip, it's very clear what the implications are. --Masem 23:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Enough. If it was in Rolling Stone, and if the quote is correct, STOP DELETING IT FROM THE LIST.  Destrado Zero  16:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Release date reversions
Just because the Rock Band website only says November rather than the specific date doesn't mean that November 20 isn't an official date. See. All of the retailers and game sites that have reported this date aren't just making it up; that's what the date will be. Unless you have some kind of source that disputes this date, please leave it. Oren0 06:10, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * GameStop and EB are owned by the same company. It's most likely that IGN's listing was taken from one of the retail sites. There's nothing wrong with listing GameStop's date on Wikipedia, but it shouldn't be asserted as the official release date, since no official announcement has been made. EB often has a release date up far in advance for games; they're usually fairly accurate, but they don't always get it exact. Also, wasn't the reliability of Amazon release dates disputed above? -- Rabid Monkey 00:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There's a difference between speculating a date and offering a preorder that's guaranteed to arrive on November 20, which these sites are doing. I'm not claiming that EB, GameStop, or Amazon fit under WP:RS, I'm just using them as examples.  But sites like IGN, GamePro, GameSpy, and numerous others are.  Pretty much every gaming site has Nov. 20 as the date, as a quick Google Search will show you. Oren0 01:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And none of these are Harmonix, MTV, or EA, the only 3 companies that can supply the official release date. --Masem 02:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * How about November 18th? This date is from Harmonix's website so it's valid. Can't link directly to it but it's in the "Rock Band Tour" information:
 * November 18, 2007
 * Los Angeles, CA
 * Sunset Strip - House of Blues
 * TBD
 * NATIONAL LAUNCH EVENT
 * Rock Band Tour is the page I found it, though that address can change as the days go by.Allegate 06:41, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The release date is November 23rd. Those pre-orders are guaranteed to arrive on November 20th, huh? Nice one. Rabid Monkey 22:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I hate to say "I told you so", but I did. Nice one yourself.  Oren0 17:28, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

One has not been announced for Rock Band, only GH3.
The Rolling Stone article referenced is incorrect and lumped GH & Rock Band together. Again, One is only officially announced for GH3 not Rock Band, so please stop putting it into the DLC section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orgophlax (talk • contribs) 19:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If you have proof of this, please reference it and we won't have a problem with taking the song down. Otherwise, it stays.  Destrado Zero  05:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

PS2
So is Rock Band for the PS2 exclusively for Europe or what because i'm still not completely sure. 71.7.106.244 02:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Honestly, why would it be?  Destrado Zero  19:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Though not directly stated, you can infer that the game will be out on the PS2 outside of Europe as well. However, the European version will be getting localized content  Skrutop 12:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Theres no ps2 version
ive checked the main website. www.rockband.com and it stated it will ONLY be released for xbox 360 and ps3—Preceding unsigned comment added by MABx14 (talk • contribs) 19:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Untrue, the website just isn't up-to-date. Harmonix announced the game for PS2 at the Leipzig Gaming Convention  Skrutop 12:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Will there be two guitars in the bundle?
Where there be two guitars in the bundle? or is there just going to be one so then you have to go buy another one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krazy lover boy09 (talk • contribs) 13:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * This is sort of on the same subject, but does anyone know whether the Rock Band guitars are going to work with Guitar Hero III as well? And if they do would it be safe to assume that the guitars would also work with Guitar Hero II?--Shardsoffork 03:51, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it will ship with one guitar, a mic, and the drums. Look at the bundle on Amazon and it confirms that. Skrutop 12:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * As far as the Rock Band guitars working with GH3, it's unknown as of yet, but Harmonix has stated that they will make the Rock Band guitars compatible with GH3 if Neversoft requests it. The GH3 guitars should be Rock Band-compatible.  As far as the GH3/Rock Band guitars being compatible with GH1 or GH2...if they're for the PS2 versions, maybe, but not the PS3/360 ones.  Different tech.  Destrado Zero  18:01, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you sure about that? The X-Plorer (GH2) works on GH3 on the 360.  These peripherals are just controllers.  So long as RB doesn't do something stupid like change the order of the buttons on the neck, I don't see why the GH guitars wouldn't work on RB and vice versa, at least on the 360.  Oren0 23:53, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Intro Song
I just saw a video on IGN called Rock Band Intro (probably a vid that will play when you start the game) if anyone could recognize the song, it could be that it is going to be included in the game. Sorry for no link... --87.49.232.247 19:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If that's the one where the band is driving in the van, then gets thrown on top of a bus, etc., the song is Highway Star, which is in the setlist. Skrutop 12:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Put Flyleaf's Im so Sick in as a bonus song since it is confrimed
if you go and check out flyleaf's website they have an article about how there so im so sick is in the game. Also Bang Camaro, Anarchy Club, Acrobats and Vagiant are in the game. But the songs that are in the game by theses bands arent official yet. The song for anarchy club is "A single Drop Of Red" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peachpunker63 (talk • contribs) 22:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I definitely believe we'll see all of these bands in the game. However, the sources that currently exist (i.e. band website blogs, MySpace) are not verifiable enough to add them just yet. When Harmonix or a major video game publication/website reports it, we can put it into the article. Y2kcrazyjoker4 01:44, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And I presume that the same goes for Honest Bob and the Factory-to-Dealer Incentives' "I Get By", right? Well, I mean, someone put Freezepop's "Brainpower" in the list, but Harmonix gave no word about it yet. 200.231.177.3 14:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Official release date and price confirmed
New and official release date and price. You need to put up the release date that is the 23rd of November (yes that is black friday) and a price of $169.99 for PS3 and XBOX 360. For the Ps2 the Release date is December 10th With a price of $159.99.

I just called my local Gamestop to confirm this and they said it would be there on the 20th if you pre-ordered, but on the 23rd if you did not. Is this in any way relevant to the article? Prescott523

Wii?
http://www.1up.com/do/gameOverview?cId=3158414 It says a release date in 2008, and there have been many reports of the game coming to the wii. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmcpeek (talk • contribs) 04:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It still isn't confirmed yet, we'll have to wait and see. 76.24.50.242 19:53, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

It has been confirmed that it will be coming to the wii platform. Hopefully someone will update the wiki page. Source: http://wii.ign.com/articles/777/777553p1.html ("When asked if there was any chance Rock Band would arrive on Wii, Rigopulos said without hesitation, "Absolutely."") —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.217.87.207 (talk) 23:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Bang Camaro in Rock Band
I just wanted to let people know that Bang Camaro's 'Pleasure Pleasure' has been announced for RB. Hope someone can add this information. Link: http://www.bangcamaro.com/ Rile 04:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Personal websites are not considered proper sources.DyloniusFunk 13:25, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not considered a credible source. --CrimsonKing2000 23:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * To me it seems like this Bang Camaro group is just putting these things up on their pages in order to get some hits. This was the same deal on GH3. No credible website to announce this...no put in article.--Shardsoffork 02:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Coheed and Cambria's Welcome Home in Rock Band
If you check out Ign they have a new video of welcome home by coheed and cambria in there video's section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peachpunker63 (talk • contribs) 01:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Did Rigopulos actually confirm a Wii version?
" While there has been no official announcement regarding a Wii version, when asked if there was a possibility of seeing the game on Wii, Rigopulos responded "Absolutely.""

Does this actually mean that the game will be converted to Nintendo's Wii console, too? A Powerful Weakness 18:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)A Powerful Weakness


 * Reading comprehension must not be your thing, because he's answering if IT'S POSSIBLE for the game to be ported. Y2kcrazyjoker4 04:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think he did, but I wish!:) \m/, FrogTape 19:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Boston/Police
so are the photos that are posted in the rockband forums enough verification for Boston - Foreplay/Longtime and Police - Next to You to be posted? as well as the Molly Hatchet - Flirtin' with disaster song just announced over at IGN? http://community.rockband.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=5363&page=16 BathTub 16:49, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

"....online and offline players totaling four"
Concerning this, I was pretty sure that it was "up to four players" rather then "totaling" 70.125.85.88 01:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * They mean the exact same thing........................ Y2kcrazyjoker4 06:04, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Not quite. "Up to" means it can be less than 4, "totaling four" implies that number must be four.  I can link to posts by Harmonix employees stating that 2-4 player multiplayer is possible. Bakkster Man 19:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Release Date Change
Why was the release date changed? I checked the link provided as "proof" and it says Nov. 23rd, not Nov. 20th. I'm changing it back.Allegate 16:26, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind. The people in charge of updating game info at GameSpy didn't change the release date in the system. The date change is in the last sentence of the last paragraph on the last page. Allegate 16:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Gamespot demo video (Pixies, etc.)
http://www.gamespot.com/video/938871/6180668/rock-band-stage-demo-2 -- not sure if this is included in the main article? Since it's locked, I'd have to let someone else modify it to include it anyway :) 199.214.24.196 19:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Band World Tour
BWT does not support online play as once thought. Reference: http://community.rockband.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=82720&postcount=22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctor Septopia (talk • contribs) 20:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

All songs are going to be announced on ign friday
After a podcast with the singer for IGN's the IGNorant Sluts, he said they would be announcing all the songs on friday of this week. Maybe its some competition between guitar hero 3. But this is going to rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.44.152 (talk) 03:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * did they happen to say when they were going to do this? Allegate 16:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

yeah tonight —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.44.152 (talk) 21:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, the morality. Well, IGN still has a few hours to churn out this info. Dragonscales 21:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

They were all revealed and i hate it lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.50.215.213 (talk) 00:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

World Band Tour - slightly new info
IGN has an interview with Teasdale about the WBT. Scour it for any new nuggets. JAF1970 03:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

NEW PS2 RELEASE DATE
Change PS2 release date to December 18, 2007 SOURCE:http://www.rockband.com/news/pr/534 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.34 (talk) 02:46, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I made the change. You should create yourself an account, so that you can be bold and make edits yourself in the future. Oren0 05:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)