Talk:Rock and Roll (dance)

Translated from German article
I have translated this article from the German wikipedia. If you feel I have made mistakes feel free to correct them. If you wish to insert missing translations of acrobatic movements or stuff, you are well invited to contact me for reassurance: de:Benutzer Diskussion:Thetawave. I know what all of these acrobatics look like and how they work, but I simply don't know their English names. User:217.185.78.252/de:Benutzer Diskussion:Thetawave 20:43, 13 August 2005 217.185.78.252

Acrobatic rock and roll vs Jive
This sounds more like a discussion of acrobatic rock and roll, which is common in Europe. Rock and roll is danced socially in Australia and New Zealand, is often referred to as Jive (dance) in the United Kingdom and is more popular in Australia than lindy hop. -- PlainJane 00:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

In the UK we have a social form of Rock 'n' Roll dancing, similar to that danced clubs in London in the 1950's, as well as the acrobatic Rock 'n' Roll (sometimes referred to here as continental style) and Jive (dance) which is part of the Latin section of Ballroom dancing. Sudders 08:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Bad English needs lots more editing
I began to improve the English on this page -- but it was too much for me. It needs a lot of rewriting. 83.221.82.109 —Preceding comment was added at 15:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

we should have a disambig...
What about the swing-like dancing that was danced by American teenagers to rock and roll music in the 1950s? This seems entirely different from this article but I'm not sure what you would call it besides rock and roll... 68.160.11.155 (talk) 05:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Seems too specialised
This article seems to only focus on one aspect of Rock 'n' Roll from one part of the world and doesn't give a broad enough view as to what Rock 'n' Roll dancing is. I've been dancing for at least 12 years now and that includes competitively. In New Zealand dancing competitively has a broad range of rules including a dress code ensuring competitors wear clothing based on what they wore in the 1950s. Rock 'n' Roll doesn't just focus on what jumps are done, not everyone is physically capable of such jumps and only the really serious people learn and practise them. We use several forms of six-steps and dancers are encouraged to be creative and come up with their own moves. There's probably lots of other examples but this facebook page belongs to the club I am a member of and has several short clips of dancing.

The New Zealand Amateur Rock 'n' Roll Association website can definitely explain things better than me and it has an online rule book available to read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.239.254.209 (talk) 06:32, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Yes, the article is really about "acrobatic rock'n'roll" like it is danced in sports clubs in Europe, and as defined by the WRRC, which has very little to do with "classic" rock'n'roll as danced in the 1950s. If you have more information, feel free to add a section for "classic rock'n'roll" (or how you want to call it) to the article (or even start a new article and link it here). Sebastian (talk) 14:05, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The above unsigned is me, I figured I should register. Maybe we should be changing the title of this article to "Acrobatic Rock 'n' Roll (Dance)" to free up the original title of Rock 'n' Roll (Dance) for what most people outside of Europe assume is Rock 'n' Roll Dancing.  "Classic" Rock 'n' Roll has it's own atmosphere and competitive community completely separate to what is outlined in this article.AnnaNZ (talk) 00:20, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, "Acrobatic Rock 'n' Roll (Dance)" would be more accurate. The best thing would probably be to move the current article to "Acrobatic Rock 'n' Roll (Dance)", and replace "Rock 'n' Roll (Dance)" with a Disambiguation page that links to "Acrobatic Rock 'n' Roll (Dance)" and "Classic Rock 'n' Roll (Dance)". I don't think either dance can be said to be universally better known and more popular. For starters, just create "Classic Rock 'n' Roll (Dance)", and link it from "Rock 'n' Roll (Dance)"; the moving and disambiguation can come once the article contents have settled a bit. Sebastian (talk) 13:51, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I started writing a "Classic Rock 'n' Roll (Dance)" page and submitted it but it was declined because I didn't have enough references and they thought it was too biased. I haven't gotten round to fixing it yet because I'm struggling to find any websites to cite that aren't either trying to sell a product or promote a club.  I'd written it on the understanding that others would contribute to it as well once it was up.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Classic_Rock_%27n%27_Roll_%28_Dance%29 AnnaNZ (talk) 22:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

This article is about a complete perversion of Rock n Roll. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.86.205 (talk) 18:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Lindy Hop misrepresented
When lindy was invented in the '20s, it was danced to faster music--and had more aerials--than later lindy, boogie-woogie, or rock-and-roll. 71.249.180.90 (talk) 16:40, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Lindy hop which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 07:29, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Rename to "Acrobatic Rock'n'Roll"
There are several different dancing styles commonly known as "Rock and Roll". In particular, there is

This has often caused confusion when editing this article (see the other discussions on this talk page).
 * "Acrobatic Rock and Roll", featuring advanced acrobatics. It is most common in Europe, is often danced as a competitive sport, and has the World Rock'n'Roll Confederation (WRRC, https://www.wrrc.org/) as its governing body.
 * Various types of social dancing, which seem to be most common in the US and Australia. Typically not danced competitively, and closer to the original Rock and Roll dancing from the 1950s.

Therefore I propose to rename this page to Acrobatic Rock and Roll (dance), and include a disambiguation header to explain the other types of Rock and Roll dancing.

Any objections?

The page title must be Acrobatic rock and roll (no (dance) necessary in title). In wikipedia we don't capitalize generic dances. - üser:Altenmann >t 06:37, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

By the way there used to be "Rock and Roll" (non-acro, but with stupid moves, in additional to basically swing) in Latin America, even TV competition shows. One may find them on youtube. Who will write these article anyway? - üser:Altenmann >t 06:41, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

The Rachel Maddow Show
Rachel Maddow opens her show this evening (April 5, 2017) discussing this dance sport and its connection to Vladimir Putin's daughter, if anyone wants to see if there anything here worth adding to the Wikipedia article. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:04, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Edits
I simplified this page and put it more in keeping with Wikipedia’s style. On more specific points: Rock and roll dance is now as much a sport as a dance form, and arguably more so, and I have so named it. The WRRC’s website spells its name “World Rock’N’Roll Confederation,” with a capital N. I excised “[d]esigned for performance,” as all dance is a performance, and replaced a mention of “acrobatic” qualities replaced with the more suitable “gymnastic,” as acrobats perform on tightropes and trapezes, but left the name “acrobatic rock and roll” intact. Olympic acceptance “in the near future” seems unlikely because of the long process involved.

Anyone more knowledgeable about specific points, such as the speed of Lindy Hop and accompanying music in the twentieth century’s first half (a part of this dance form’s history), mentioned above by an unnamed user, is welcome to contribute. Mucketymuck (talk) 23:45, 13 February 2023 (UTC)