Talk:Rock music in Germany

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Well, I added a list of German Rock bands, some of them are taken from the German "Deutschrock" Wikipedia article. And, who knows why, somebody deleted this list. Sad.

A lot of the confusion about this page (as has already been suggested below) stems from the fact that "krautrock" refers to a specific stylistic genre of music, not just "music from Germany". Although the term was originally slightly derogatory, it has long since risen beyond this, and in the past 10 or 15 years, bands from all over the world have employed "krautrock" influences in their music, and referred to them as such.--feline1 13:35, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Kraftwerk
Kraftwerk in my eyes is not a Krautrock band. I would the line.


 * Not sure what "I would the line" means, but the first three Kraftwerk albums (the ones before Autobahn) at least are generally considered to be krautrock. --Camembert


 * I think the first Kraftwerk album is definitely 'Krautrock' and if you hear the bootleg "Ruckzuck" where the line-up is Florian with Micael Rother & Klaus Dinger then you can't argue. Like Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk were born of the scene and later found their own distinct voice and path. Ned

Rammstein
Does Rammstein really belong into this article? If no then the section can be removed, otherwise it needs to be reworded a lot, as in it current state it's more like a praise of the band than an encyclopedic text. Not counting the misspelled German titles of the songs... andy 19:35, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Naming

 * "In Germany, the term Krautrock is not used."

And yet the German Wikipedia calls their version of this article Krautrock. Meanwhile us English-speakers, supposedly the ones who use this term, call our article "German rock". Can anyone sort all this out? &mdash; Trilobite (Talk) 16:51, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I think Krautrock is more specific than German rock, and actually refers to electronic progressive rock, especially from the early to mid 70s. Note that a source I originally used claimed something called "komische music" was a translation of krautrock.  User:Abe Lincoln, who is German, said he had never heard of this term and removed it from the article.  So, to answer your question, no. Tuf-Kat 02:42, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * I second that. In Germany, Krautrock is a term for a specific kind of German rock, mostly done in the 70ies. However, some bands from that time still (or, after a reunion, again) exist, and I would call their recent albums Krautrock, too (as do at least several, if not most, magazines in Germany). I therefore deleted that sentence. --222.1.132.122 12:10, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It remains the fact that Krautrock (as understood in Germany), how important it might be, is only a rather small part of German rock. German rock in general is very similiar to rock in other countries, constisting of several sub genres (see Deutschrock). Krautrock is only one genre (today very unimportant in Germany!!), refering to music played in the late 60ies and early 70ies with mostly long, complex, psychodelic songs and English lyrics.
 * Unfortunately, it is hard to name the sub genres. There are mostly influenced by other genres, most often punk (Die Toten Hosen, Die Ärzte), but also R&B, Blues, and most of all Songwriter (Herbert Grönemeyer, Marius Müller-Westernhagen, Peter Maffay). Metal Scorpions. Industrial Rammstein. Crossover H-Blockx. To name only some. There is no article in the German wikipedia that deals with German rock satisfyingly, too. --Abe Lincoln 08:59, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Splitting German Rock and Krautrock
In English, the term Krautrock is generally quite specific, referring to the movement of experimental rock and electronic music produced between 1968 and 1975 in Germany. The subject of German rock is much broader. These two subjects need to be split, although there will obviously be overlap. Kaldari 28 June 2005 04:54 (UTC)
 * I've made an initial attempt at splitting the articles, although someone needs to summarize the krautrock section of the German rock article. Kaldari 28 June 2005 05:26 (UTC)

World music project
I've removed the evaluation under WikiProject World music/Assessment, as this article doesn't qualify under that project's scope. It should be evaluated per the music genres wikiproject. Tuf-Kat 02:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Ton Steine Scherben / Rio Reiser
How could you ever forget to mention THEM? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.195.92.201 (talk) 03:20, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Krautrock
Most german bands, who were classified as Krautrock by journalists would have never called their music Krautrock. They also rejected the term Deutschrock. They rather called themselves progressive bands. KhlavKhalash (talk) 08:44, 19 November 2021 (UTC)