Talk:Rocket stove

Suggested external links
A clear diagram of the internal workings of a rocket stove can be found on the web site of Integrated Solar Cooking. The rocket stove complements a solar cooker and an insulated basket to form a full "integrated cooking solution".Parveson (talk) 19:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I have a very slight COI over the following links, so I'll suggest these - if no one raises an objection and no one has added them, I'll add them in a few weeks time, if I think of it.

--Chriswaterguy talk 13:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Rocket Lorena Stove
 * CCAT rocket stove needs wikifying but also has good info.

Origin of Name?
In WikiAnswers somebody was curious how the Rocket Stove relates to the operation of rockets (they were asking in reference to the Lorena Rocket Stove, which derives from adding the Rocket Stove's rocket elbow to the Lorena Stove). I provided several guesses but I could not easily find out any actual source for how the Rocket Stove got its name. It seems that if somebody could verify the origin of the name, it would be good to add this to the article. Why indeed is it called a rocket? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Singing Coyote (talk • contribs) 03:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * One researcher suggests that "rocket" stoves are so-called because when the chimney / heat riser portion heats up, they draft strongly enough to make an audible roar, kind of like a soft version of a rocket or jet engine.216.99.199.195 (talk) 19:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)Erica Wisner, www.ErnieAndErica.info

I have had several long talks with a lot of poeple and I've heard it over and over, in many long and ugly stories: Dr. Larry Winiarski did NOT invent the rocket stove. Ianto Evans did. Apparently, Winarski met Evans, worked with Evans, and slowly, over several years, started claiming credit. Eventually Evans and Winarski had a big falling out. Evans left Aprovecho and continued his work. The legal agreement is that Winarski is forbidden from using the (superior) J-tube - but is even encroaching on that. -- paul wheaton — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.217.137.228 (talk) 20:18, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

L tube and J Tube
Approvecho may still be working with the L-tube / J-tube cookstove version. There's also a university professor in India (link?) who has developed a multi-pot cooking version there, and might know of internships. The stove described on your article is what we call an "L-tube," describing the profile of the fuel and chimney interior cross-section. Many researchers are currently working on the basis of "J-tube" cross section, which allows fuel to self-feed and frees up the cook's hands. 216.99.199.195 (talk) 19:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Rocket Mass Heater
Here's a link to a Northern version of the rocket stove, a rocket mass heater designed to work kind of like a masonry stove but much more fuel-efficient. They also have books available discussing system design and a few simpler versions for cooking / emergency heat. Cob Cottage Company (www.cobcottage.com), Leslie Jackson (www.rocketstoves.com), and Ernie and Erica Wisner (www.ErnieAndErica.info) all run workshops on rocket stoves / rocket mass heaters, usually in North America but elsewhere on occasion. 216.99.199.195 (talk) 19:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Should the Rocket Mass Heater be covered in a separate article at some point? I suggest we create a section for mass heaters in this article and then consider spinning it out some later point. There appears to be a lot of overlap however in the design and opportunities for people to create combined units, so possibly it should all stay in one place. For now I will create a redirect from Rocket Mass Heater to here to avoid a duplicate article being created. PeterEastern (talk) 05:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Advertising
I have just removed a link in external links which I felt was blatant advertising. I have however left in a link to the same site within the main text having converted it to a reference. I also tidied up the reference to the place where one can download plans.PeterEastern (talk) 08:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

With regard to advertising generally should we removed any reference to where one can purchase units? Or should we create a section to list where one can get them in different countries? or what? These are still devices that are not readily available form shops in most parts of the world so there may be some justification for providing a list but I am very neutral on the whole issue and it could well get out-of-hand. PeterEastern (talk) 08:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Commercial companies are forever trying to (ab)use Wikipedia to promote their products, so Wikipedia policies relating to advertising are well-established; see WP:SPAM. Basically (as I understand it), external content that makes a genuine contribution to people's understanding of the subject, but that can't be included in the article for whatever reason, can be linked to, even if it also happens to promote a product. If there are several sites which give basically the same useful information, only one (the best one) should be linked to, avoiding duplication ("fairness" doesn't come into it). Links to content which is basically advertising are unacceptable. Lists of suppliers are not encyclopaedic either; Wikipedia is not the Yellow Pages. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 12:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Rocket mass heater = Condensing boiler?
A friend saw my experimental rocket mass-heater and immediately commented that is was a condensing boiler for wood which does seem good sense. I haven't seen anyone making the same observation specifically so haven't added it yet to the article. Any thoughts on that? Should we add a reference? This only applies to the rocket mass heater, not the cooking stove. PeterEastern (talk) 08:46, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

The friend also commented that a major challenge for designers of early gas condensing boilers was dealing with the sulfuric acid in the condensate (low ph is mentioned in the condensing boiler article on Wikipedia). I haven't heard people talking about this yet in relation to rocket stoves, but was advised that the copper water-cylinder that I was proposing to use would be probably be turned to powder in no time. Again, if we can get references for this it would be worth adding. PeterEastern (talk) 08:46, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No, a rocket mass heater is NOT a condensing boiler, its a rocket stove with a thermal mass like cob (or bricks) to store heat instead of a cooking pot. At no point is steam condensed to extract heat. Since rocket stoves rely on a natural draft, extracting the remaining heat from the exhaust would require the addition of a fan and other complex electronics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.8.226.105 (talk) 04:00, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If one watches any of the videos of these things in operation, for example where they measure the temperature of the flue gasses then they are very much less than 100c (in the example video they measure it at 130F or 54c). The water vapour as therefore definitely condensed and released the specific heat of evaporation. I realise that this is getting close to WP:OR and I will raise the discussion on the appropriate forum, however I have added a brief reference to condensation and condensing boilers in the Rocket mass heater article in the mean time. PeterEastern (talk) 13:36, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I am now copying the contents of this section to the Rocket mass heater and suggest that further discussion takes place there.PeterEastern (talk) 13:41, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Diagram?
Although the WWW was then helpful, I couldn't understand this article from the description given. Could someone with experience add a simple line diagram? I think it would improve the article no end. 7daysahead (talk) 11:18, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

The figure now present att the bottom of the article is good. Put it at the top. (other changes in figure order may be considered too)150.227.15.253 (talk) 16:01, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

a little edit
Made a little edit: Snori (talk) 08:41, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * give credit where due
 * removing a nice, but misleading, photo
 * emphasising the key distinctive features

Same principle as the Dakota fire pit
The Rocket stove uses the same build-up as the smokeless firing Dakota fire pit. It is a Hobo stove with a hole for firewood feed at the bottom.--MBelzer (talk) 15:41, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Use in Developing Countries
There is research about rocket stove use as an alternative to traditional wood burning stove use in developing countries, because rocket stoves have lower emissions and use less fuel. I've worked with a few international students and their interests/research in reducing emissions in stoves in the homes led me to rocket stoves.

I'm also thinking that the section of the article under history that mentions use in developing countries (e.g. TWP and AHDESA) should me moved into this section.

I don't know how to sign this page. - James SWVA — Preceding unsigned comment added by James SWVA (talk • contribs) 12:19, 28 July 2020 (UTC)