Talk:Rodion Malinovsky

nationality
The myth about Malinovsky's Karaite descent appeared in the 1990s. His children had never heard the word "Karaite" until the Karaites visited Malinovsky's daughter Natalia in 1998. " His father abandoned the family" – There was no family, the marriage was never registered. "His mother … remarried. Her new husband ..." – his mother was married only once. See the birth documents in the Russian Wikipedia (Malinovsky - discussion). My approximate translation of the birth register book: Radion, illegitimate child, born Nov. 10. 1898, christened Nov. 22 1898, Mother: Varvara Nikolaeva Malinovskaya, девица – that is unmarried woman. --Ludmilasv (talk) 10:33, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Dear friends, R. Malinovsky nationality was not ukrainian, he was crimean caraite (крымский караим).

Wikipedia is not a tribute website. This article is getting very wordy and is far too full of rhetoric and praise for its subject. I will give it a trim when I get time. Adam 12:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Malinovsky was an illegitimate child
Сам ты крымский караим.

It is a characteristic feature of the Rossiiskaia evreiskaia entsiklopedia - to include prominent people, who were not actually Jews but whose origin is not quite clear. Malinovsky's daughter Natalia is sick and tired of reading of her Jewish, Russian, etc. origin. She is neither an anti-Semite, nor anti-caraite; all these speculations about her father's nationality are simply not true.

Malinovsky was an illegitimate child of a Ukranian mother. In his memoirs he wrote that he did not know who his father was. Nor does his daughter know who was her paternal grandfather. Mrs. Malinovskaya contacted the authors of the Rossiiskaia evreiskaia entsiklopedia and they could not present any prove supporting their statements in the entsiklopedia. Mrs. Malinovskaya is going to give me some materials to include into the article about her farther in the Russian wikipedia. Ludmilasv 06:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)ludmilasv


 * Please sign you posts using ~ Odessaukrain 22:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, please point out one person who was not of Jewish descent but included in Rossiiskaia evreiskaia entsiklopedia

In opposite, the publication can be accused of ignoring many people. Andropov whose Jewish descent in mentioned by Russian wikipedia, for example. Cherniakhovsky, Lenin, Anna Pavlova, Rostropovich, only to start with. User: Costa.10 May 2007.

"Well, please point out one person who was not of Jewish descent but included in Rossiiskaia evreiskaia entsiklopedia". In his interview Dr. Branover, the editor of the encyclopedia mentioned 5 people, who accused the encyclopedia of publishing wrong data about their origin. One of them was Eldar Riazanov. Dr. Branover's interview is available on line.

As for Anna Pavlova, she was an illegitimate child like Malinovsky.

" Andropov whose Jewish descent in mentioned by Russian wikipedia, for example." 1) The Russian wikipedia is not a reliable source. 2) Andropov's mother was adopted by a Jewish family. Is this a "Jewish descent"? Ludmilasv 03:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC) Where you fount the reliable infromation about adapted Andropov's mother. That claim is not true. Moreover, in Tsaris time Jews were not allowed to adap chuildren of non-Jewish descent. Fedor, 1.11.07  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.193.189.230 (talk) 16:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

critical article
Is this really a critical article? It sounds more like a white washing PR piece to me (not a single critical word?). At least the parts about him opposing the Cuban missile move doesn't agree with what I just read in a book about the Cuba crisis. -AK


 * then instead of criticizing the article on the talk page, why not take the time and add that information you read to the article itself? Travb (talk) 14:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

removed the following
I do not try to embellish Malinoivsky but I suggest that the following belongs to the article about Wallenberg, not about Malinovsky. It shall be mentioned briefly in the article about Malinovsky. I removed from the article:
 * "Wallenberg was working to save the remaining Hungarian Jews from being sent to the Nazi death camps and is credited with preventing thousands of deaths by handing out false Swedish passports and documents and housing Jews under Swedish protection until they could be transported out of the country to safety. On January 13, 1945, Wallenberg contacted the Russians to secure food and supplies for the people under his protection. He and his driver, Vilmos Langfelder (c1910-1947), were detained by the Soviet Red Army on January 17, 1945 when they captured Budapest, on suspicion of being a spy for the United States, since the War Refugee Board was actually engaged in espionage. The Soviets may have moved him to Moscow, hoping to exchange him for defectors in Sweden. He was driven to the headquarters of Rodion Malinovsky in Debrecen by the NKVD. Wallenberg's last recorded words were: "I'm going to Malinovsky's ... whether as a guest or prisoner I do not know yet." In 2003, a review of wartime Soviet correspondences, indicated Vilmos Böhm may have provided Wallenberg's name to Stalin as a person to detain." (talk)

Jewish?
This site states, that: "The surname of MALINOWSKI is a Polish and Jewish habitation name from a place named with the Polish 'malina' meaning raspberry, possibly in effect an occupational name for a grower of the fruit. As a Jewish surname, it may well be one of the many Ashkenazic surnames taken from words of fruit or plants." Before ww2, Odessa was russian speaking and jewish town, not ukranian town. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.226.123.131 (talk) 15:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Slavic
'Malina' means raspberry probably in most (if not in all) Slavic laguages. As an example, there is quite common surname "Malinovský" (which is transcription of Malinowski) in the Czech or Slovak languages with no connection toward Jewish population. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.112.226.9 (talk) 21:40, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Blog or encyclopaedic article?
Where this fragment came from? Born in Odessa, some historians believe that Malinovsky's father was of Karaite descent.[1] In search for a livelihood after his father was killed, his mother[citation needed] left the city for the rural areas of Ukraine, and remarried. Her husband, a poverty-stricken Ukrainian peasant, refused to adopt her son and expelled him when Malinovsky was only 13 years old. The homeless boy survived by working as a farm-hand, and eventually received shelter from his aunt's family in Odessa, where he worked as an errand boy in a general store. He was known to have brilliant courage and resiliency.[citation needed]

The only reference, given after the first sentence, does not verify anything in this fragment.--71.178.109.96 (talk) 22:29, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Role in Manchuria

 * Aleksandr Vasilevsky led the offensive, see any of the following sources, albeit Malinovsky led the main attack. A reliable source is needed to revert back to the previous role suggesting the overall success of the offensive was due to his employment of only a portion of the Soviet forces involved. Likewise, a RS is needed to support the emotional/national/prestige uplift of the campaign and how that was due to Malinovsk.
 * The Kwantung Army was a shadow of its former self and not a million strong: see here

RegardsEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 00:24, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Malinovsky incident
The article previously did not include Malinovsky's role in impeding any rapprochement between the USSR and China, when in his November meeting between USSR and Chinese delegations in Romania he said to Chinese Marshal He Long and asked when China would finally get rid of Mao like the CPSU had disposed of Khrushchev."Dogru144 (talk) 04:41, 29 March 2022 (UTC)