Talk:Rog (factory)

Move unreferenced history section to talk
The history of the premises of the Rog factory on Trubar Street (Trubarjeva cesta) up until its occupation. -- Mujinga (talk) 21:31, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 1871 The land is bought by Ivan Janesh, who builds a small ground-floor building to use for tanning hides.
 * 1879 Janesh builds a one-story tanning workshop on the location of the previous building.
 * 1884 His sons add a second story.
 * 1900 The tannery is bought by Karel Pollak, who renovates and modernizes the workshop.
 * 1904 Pollak encloses the area with a wall and builds a residential villa.
 * 1918-19 Pollak builds an expansion to the manufacturing premises.
 * 1922 Two stories are added by Pollak onto the manufacturing building, with the skeletal construction using the Hennebique system, which is rare in building construction previous to World War I. First such building in Ljubljana. The Czech architect Alois Kral also consults with Plečnik. The factory carries out business successfully.
 * 1937 Pollak goes bankrupt.
 * 1938 The factory is bought by Mergenthaller, the owner of a tannery in Vrhnika.
 * 1945 The expropriation and nationalization of the Indus leather factory.
 * 1951–53 Remodeling of the factory and the start of the production of Rog bicycles.
 * 1991 Due to large logistic expenses the management of the Rog factory decides to abandon production on Trubar Street and combine all manufacturing activities in the industrial zone on Airport Street (Letališka cesta).
 * 1992 The process of re-zoning of the space is triggered, anticipating industrial production. It has a sound professional basis and includes a proposal aimed at protecting the manufacturing building by the Ljubljanica River.
 * 1994 City of Ljubljana (Department of Urbanism) carries out a construction test by tender. The process of denationalization begins. The production of bicycles at this location is abandoned.
 * 1995 The international Euroculture conference, Rehabilitation of Urban Areas, the evaluation of architectural heritage is organized by the City of Ljubljana. The Rog factory is dealt with as a sample model. The participants of the workshop suggest that the old factory should be protected and put in use for public programs (studios, ballet school, craft workshops, library, etc.).
 * 1997 Presentation of the Rog factory at the international meeting Water and Industrial Heritage in Venice.
 * 1998 The city council approves the site terms PUP CI 5/6 Rog, under which the old Rog factory is protected. The area is also intended for public programs.
 * 2000 The research project regarding cultural sites within the city (by Peace Institute for the City of Ljubljana): the Rog factory is proposed for visual arts, dance, music, theater. Break 21, 4th International Festival of Young Artists (May) and 17th Biennial of Industrial Design (October) are held in the premises of the factory.
 * 2001 The Rog factory on Trubar Street is bought by the LB-Hypo bank. The denationalizing process is over. Within the framework of the urban survey for the preparation of a new spatial plan for the City of Ljubljana, Borut Burger uses the Rog factory as an example of a decrepit part of the city center, and proposes that MOL spearhead an initiative for revitalizing this area.
 * 2002 The City of Ljubljana purchases the Rog factory on Trubar Street (a leasing contract with LB Hypo). Discussion of renovation dies down in 2003.

Improving the page
To Personuser, sorry for the second ping, I took a look at the page and decided it was best to pretty much nuke it and start again since so much was unreferenced. Unfortunately my internet is coming and going, so I'm stopping here before I could do everything I planned. I still want to add in a history section and more stuff about 2016 from some of the old links. If you have any more indepth sources like journal articles please drop them in. By the way, I couldn't find a Slovenian language page for this project, strange! Mujinga (talk) 22:58, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Guess some parts you removed where from culture of Slovenia. The site seems down, seems to be a wiki and isn't really useful for finding references either, so probably adding material from it was a bad idea anyway, here's an archive link just in case. For things for which a news paper article would be enough the official site has a "in media" section. Hope I will later find something more useful and no problem for the ping.Personuser (talk) 01:07, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually a quick search with google scholar was way more productive than I expected, with many sources available online and even in english: just the first ones . Taking a closer look will take some time. Personuser (talk) 01:53, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * nice one i searched as well but using "tovarna rog" gives better results. i've added the Cotič paper to further reading since i didn't see anything in it to add to the article; conversely the CKZ special issue which i also added has loads of good stuff. are there any important issues you would say are missing from the article at the moment? cheers Mujinga (talk) 18:05, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you did a great job and the article is in a good shape. Some support for the squat came from socio-urbanistic considerations and from academic institutions, not sure how specific this is to this squat, and if the first point is relevant enough some editor more familiar with the matter will eventually jump in. Some polemics include a part of the factory actually needing some sanation because of chemicals and the works starting from a completly different place and users loosing property during the eviction. This seems either too specific or better addressed when things cool down and we see what happens with the municipality plan. An odd fact is that the two articles in other languages don't deal with the squat, but with the bicycle factory, which is indeed notable, but probably not enough for a separate article in the en-wp. I have just two minor edits to suggest:" a art space -> an art space" and "Antifašistične fronte -> Antifašistična fronta", "Nevidnih delavcev sveta -> Nevidni delavci sveta" (a matter of noun declension). Personuser (talk) 21:19, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Also if a facebook link is appropriate this is probably the most general and currently active account (not sure for how long). Personuser (talk) 22:25, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Cool. I think the article needs more about the general debate surrounding artistic practice and gentrification between Rog and the city, but that can be added over time and indeed perhaps more sources will come available in the next weeks. Thanks for the typo spot, I changed it to cultural centre. As regards the Slovenian words, I'm not a speaker so please change them if you think it best (and nobody will mind about it), but the source uses those terms (I just copypasted them). Facebook external links aren't encouraged here, per WP:FACEBOOK. Mujinga (talk) 21:43, 6 February 2021 (UTC)