Talk:Roger Ailes/Archives/2017

Gratuitous, off-topic rant
The man who singlehandedly got Bush II elected in 2000, bringing about tax cuts for the rich, the war in Iraq and the deaths of 2000 and climbing American Soldiers and a national debt that will cripple the nations economy in the decades to come. Who needs the Supereme Court when we have FOX News and Roger Ailes. I hope this bastard gets what he deserves in the Christian afterlife that he so feverently hopes to have the rest of forced to believe in.

Thanks for the opportunity to vent my utter disgust with the racist, homophobic, unenlightened, christian convservative trash that poses as fair and balanced news on the network this twisted rat-bastard runs.

By the way, when Roger Ailes drinks water can Sean Hannity speak?

David Watson 9/14/05 — 67.168.31.214 02:16, September 15, 2005‎ (UTC)‎


 * Certainly disgusting and inappropriate commentary. If you want to start a website or blog to spread your filth, then do it.  Otherwise stop ranting here.  Wikipedia is supposed to be factual and honest.  If something is going to be displayed it must be cited.  You cannot site the nickname you placed here.

Furthermore "criticisms" sections are increasingly suspect. This notion of some say.... and people claim... are just convenient excuses to slip personal opinion into the article. MiKellie 01:17, 22 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree. Totally uncalled for in this forum. —Steve Blandsmyth


 * relax buddy


 * I couldn't disagree more about the inclusion of a "criticisms" section. This is a controversial figure, one who has, depending on your opinion, freed conservatives from the "liberal media" or cynically dumbed-down media for both financial and partisan ends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.137.234.129 (talk • contribs) 10:57, 22 January 2006
 * I agree, and the article could stand a lot of expansion in general. Morgan Wick 04:44, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Expansion tag
Reading the article, I have decided to add the expansion tag due to the main problems of no information about Ailes work at America's Talking, CNBC, not to mention no inclusion of a controversies section and the overall need of possibly more information in this article |  Chris 02:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm all part of it
As part of the vast Right Wing Conspiracy and a dastardly conservative I was part of this white washing whoo hah ha!! Lets not kid ourselves here nothing Roger Ailes did was a criminal act or is not now public knowledge. Its called politics and both parities are guilty of the same things. I think conservatives have better things to do then cover up for Ailes on a Wikipedia article when such info is already available all over the net if however blown out of proportion for political gain. Ailes is not and never has been an elected official so in the grand political scheme trashing him won’t make a lot of difference. I don't think most Americans even remeber Willie Horton and I think the incident has been confined to the Valary Plane trash heap of History.--Ian 01:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment from HenryFrancis: I worked for Roger Ailes during the 1988 campaign.  He was the lead media strategiest for the campaign, not the overall campaign strategist.  That was Lee Atwater.  While the campaign talked about Willie Horton, which we had read about in articles that won a local paper a Pulitzer Prize, being based in NY, we were also familiar with the Gore campaign using Horton in their telephone calls aimed at NY Democratic voters in the primary.


 * That said, Roger and the campaign had nothing at all to do with the Horton spot, which was produced by Larry McCarthy and run as an independent expenditure. Larry had previously worked for Ailes, as had many GOP consultants in a relatively small profession.  In fact, the rules against any "direction" of an independent expenditure are so tight that had the Bush campaign called them up and asked them to stop playing the ad, that would have been a violation of the law.


 * Several newspapers had written that the campaign or Ailes produced the ad, and all have since published corrections. We did produce the revolving door spot (see Willie Horton) which dealt with the issue, while making the prisoners overwhelmingly white to avoid any specious charges of racism. — HenryFrancis 17:24, October 4, 2006 (UTC)‎

Controversy section
Could someone explain what the controversy was?

"On March 9, 2007 the Nevada State Democratic Party [4] cancelled their August, 2007 presidential debate to be hosted by Fox News. Fox News vice president David Rhodes responded to the cancellation by saying that the Nevada Democratic caucus is controlled by MoveOn.org.[5]"

In the same speech, Ailes said: "In that section, there were no claims Ailes did something controversial. Rhodes' comment, maybe, the Nevada State Democratic Party, maybe."

The citation on his quote was to a transcript.

The controversy wasn't mention in the Wikipedia article, it was in the CNN one. According to the Nevada Dems, "a comment by Ailes during a Thursday night speech to a group of radio and television news directors indicated the network was biased against their party."

Ok- looks like I have to fix this.

171.71.37.103 18:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Criticism section
unclear to me on what basis the complaints from rabbis was deleted. i agree that allegations in a lawsuit should not come in - people can say anything in lawsuits. Jytdog (talk) 02:00, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Reagan consulting?
Does anyone know about him consulting for Reagan? It is mentioned in the top summary but nowhere else. I don't doubt it but I came here to find out about that so I can't add the content myself. Thanks. I suppose I'll add a citation needed. Rusl (talk) 05:02, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Was watching the five (like I do every afternoon at five) and it occurred to me, you should put together a show of republican and democrat families, i.e. Juan Williams and his sons. They could have guests like Alan Colmes and his sister in law Monica Crowley. I'm sure there are many other families (famous) that are divided on their politics. I think it would be humorous, entertaining, informative etc.

Linda Toth

Decades missing
It's remarkable that this article contains no information about the subject's life or career between 1968 to 1987, beyond a single claim of association with Reagan in the introduction. It's implausible that there is or was no narrative of Roger Ailes covering the many years between his work for the 37th president and his reappearance in the campaign of the 41st. — Magic Al Too (talk) 13:49, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Nominated for ITN
-Ad Orientem (talk) 20:12, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

"Consequences" section
I'm moving this recently added Consequences section (underneath Sexual harassment allegations and resignation) here because I don't think it belongs per Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy (WP:WEIGHT):


 * In an interview following Ailes's resignation Sherman said that the impact of the resignation on 21st Century Fox would be very great: "to have a scandal that rocks [Fox news in its prime] to the core poses a great risk to the corporate parent." Sherman said that Ailes had been a world historical figure who had defined American conservatism running the most-viewed cable news network in America; "He transcends the medium of television". Ailes, a conservative unlike any other, left a legacy of "reshaping the Republican party as a populist, blue-collar, white nativist party". He had unified all strands of conservatism, and Sherman saw conservative media becoming splintered across the ideological spectrum; a source in Fox joked to Sherman that it would be "a kind of Lord of the Flies situation where everyone's trying to kill each other".

--Mrtea (talk) 17:47, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Omission from Ailes quote doesn't make sense.
In the final paragraph, the way the quote on death is inaccurate.

In full, it reads: "Because of my hemophilia, I’ve been prepared to face death all of my life. As a boy I spent a lot of time in hospitals. My parents had to leave at the end of visiting hours, and I spent a lot of time just lying there in the dark, thinking about the fact that any accident could be dangerous or even fatal. So I’m ready. Everybody fears the unknown. But I have a strong feeling there’s something bigger than us. I don’t think all this exists because some rocks happened to collide. I’m at peace. When it comes, I’ll be fine, calm. I’ll miss life, though. Especially my family.”

Either the quote marks have to be amended like this: "Because of my hemophilia, I’ve been prepared to face death all of my life." "I’m at peace. When it comes, I’ll be fine, calm. I’ll miss life, though. Especially my family."

Or it should be used in full, which would be my preference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.191.176.32 (talk) 10:38, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2017
On the Roger Ailes article, he recently sold his home in Cresskill, NJ, and also, I created a page for his son, Zachary Ailes, which I wanted to add a link to under the personal life section. Bigskyusa1776 (talk) 01:54, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:17, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Famous quote
http://www.nationalmemo.com/television-you-just-sit-watch-listen-thinking-done-you/#14992548957371 “People are lazy. With Television You Just Sit—Watch—Listen. The Thinking Is Done For You.” Wouldn't this be appropriate for his wiki page? Oathed (talk) 11:40, 5 July 2017 (UTC)