Talk:Roger J-B Wets

Requested move
Roger J–B Wets → Roger J-B Wets — According to Wikipedia conventions, the right writing is with hyphen; J-B is a conjunction (as in Ryll-Nardzewski), not a disjunction (as in Pompeiu–Hausdorff). --Omnipaedista (talk) 04:46, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


 * You are correct. In my youth, Michael Hardy used to change most of my dashes- to longer dashes-- and I made the mistake.
 * Thanks for not requesting a move to "J.-B.". His legal name lacks periods.
 * I'll move it. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 19:46, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The redirect page from the correct spelling exists, and blocks the usual move machinery. We need an administrator. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 19:52, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Evidence for legal name change?
The statement is not clearly sourced. Jean-Baptiste is usually 1 name in Belgium anyway In ictu oculi (talk) 15:39, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Please read the cited source, the title page of his book with Rockafellar, which displays his legal name. Thanks, Kiefer .Wolfowitz 15:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. Does the book say "this is his legal name"? Does the book say "..legally changed his name"? In ictu oculi (talk) 15:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I cannot see any source that says that a legal name change occured. It is normal to write J-B. with one dot since Jean-Baptiste is a single name. Mathematical programming study: Volumes 16-18 1982 has Roger JB. Wets University of Kentucky ...In ictu oculi (talk) 16:08, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And even if he had, so what? WP Manual of Style on initials in personal names, "An initial should be followed by a full stop and a non-breaking space" requires Roger J-B. Wets, whatever he personally may or may not have requested of a US court, since we go by what is used in WP:RS. And this isn't a rock star. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:18, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I have a few questions: If you were a random editor and this were a random article, a researcher would be entitled to wonder about obsessive-compulsive behavior, obsessive-compulsive disorder, Aspberger's syndrome, etc. Since you are not random editors and this is not a random article, would you explain your interest in Wets's middle name?
 * Where do you have evidence that his birth name is Jean-Baptiste?
 * Why are you speculating about his middle name abbreviating anything?

Thanks! Kiefer .Wolfowitz 19:45, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I reverted the stupid edits, after reading that Wets was a "programmer". It is only a matter of time before another "editor" fatuously proposes moving this page to "Roger J.-B. West", because they know that "West" must be the real name. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 22:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Time for either a source or an RM
I'll ignore the personal stuff above. This article was cited in Talk on an unrelated RM P J Crook as a reason for not following WP guidelines there. It inevitable invites those Talking there to visit here and inspect, and what was found was no WP:RS for (1) the assertion that J-B without the dot (how does someone legally remove a dot in a legal name change), and (2) argument from WP policy as to why even if someone had legally changed their middle name from e.g. Roger J-B. Wets to Roger J-B Wets (with no dot) why Wikipedia should follow this for a mathematician when we don't for rock stars.

Also we don't start articles with "In mathematical optimization, John Smith is..." since John Smith is a human being and lives on earth, not a concept in mathematical organization. So, removed. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:30, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You indulged in OR when you cited an old bibliographical entry to synthesize OR about "J-B." being his former legal middle-name. (The usual heuristic is that most articles have half of their entries with bibliographical errors, so your OR was especially risky.)
 * All the (on-line) documents awarding the most prestigious prizes in optimization (Dantzig) and OR (Lanchester) use "J-B", as do his cv, short autobiography, and web page. Michael Todd's refereed writings are more reliable than your cogitations, so please stop speculating about a living person.
 * As User:Worm That Turned explained on Talk:P J Crook, before you wrote this, you are misunderstanding the WP:Common name policy.
 * "Mathematical optimization" is not only a mathematical topic, but a recognized specialty within several professions, an international society, and less formal associations and communities. The phrase "In mathematical optimization" did not claim that he was a topic in MSC2010#90.
 * Your English grammar is below your (usually good) standard here, so I have trouble understanding your intent. You may have made additional mistakes, which I haven't been able to address. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 13:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Problems
I note these. Someone else can fix them: Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:59, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:MOS
 * WP:LEDE
 * this edit makes it look as if Roger Jean-Baptiste Robert Wets submitted his PhD under a false or already changed name.
 * The lede summarizes the article. Would you be specific, please?
 * Your suggested conclusion would be unwarranted, but your concern suggested rephrasing the sentence, also avoiding OR using a primary source.
 * Thanks, Kiefer .Wolfowitz 16:05, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you don't mind, I'll leave it to other editors to contribute further. Enjoy the kitten, cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)